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Pompano
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Hmmm...Masons are a dark secret society?
I am afraid I will have to agree with Skeet on that subject.
My father, my brothers, my uncles and most of the working men of my childhood were ..and are..Masons. I march to my own beat, and I can gaurantee my
father and brothers are neither dark nor secret. All of them are 32nd degree Masons..as high as most can go in this 'dark society'...sheesh.
I just took this photo of our old Masonic Temple while visiting my home area..my roots... last week. Seems to be timely for posting on this subject.
Maybe it was meant to be..kind of prophetic, no?
Our 'secret lodge' is on Main Street...
...and the 'darkest' memories I have of that place were the sometimes over-cooked sausages my Uncle would make for all the free pancake breakfasts
served for the community.
I think most of the dark stuff took place down the street at the Satan Temple. 
Seriously, I don't think most people have the correct idea of just what these organizations do for all people..regardless of where or who they are.
Shriners anybody? Contributions to cancer, TB, AIDS, and the list goes on and on.
But then, we are all entitled to an opinion and I certainly respect yours...
...too. 
[Edited on 9-13-2010 by Pompano]
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gnukid
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FreeMasons have many levels of degrees, at lower public levels people do much good, however throughout and at higher levels there is a far different
agenda. Most FreeMasons never go beyond the initial degrees. One can simply read the writings of FreeMasons to better understand, or better consider
their actions, one example is Albert Pike who is among the most revered Mason whose statue now stands in Washington DC. Pike was the creator and
leader of the KKK, KKK ritual designer, Arkansas Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon and was a master of the technique, "divert the discourse" which is
cornerstone to organized FreeMasonry as is "the Big Lie". FreeMasons have continued to develop "reactionary Politics" with unwavering focus, this
gaming method is obvious throughout politics and controlled main stream media today.
Giuseppe Mazzani was another famous Mason and close associate of Pike, Mazzani was also the founder of the Italian Mafia.
You may read Albert Pike's works which describe the well known degrees 1-32 of Scottish Rites, however there are many more levels that few Masons
would know about, including the group of Seven, The illuminati, etc...
FreeMasonry is primarily an oral tradition, however one can look at the history of it's participants to know them best. You really can not have it
both ways, they are good but a few leaders are bad...
There is no reason for anyone not to get to know the history of the USA better by knowing the participants and the politics of FreeMasons.
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Pompano
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gnukid...I speak from my own experience.
As a avid student of 'actual' history, I mistrust almost all history books. They have agendas.
Out.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Gnukid:
It does appear that you as others have fallen to the Falsehoods spouted on Goggle!
Just for Educational Purposes How many Masons do you know personally?? Are any of them DOPERS?
You named Albert Pike, now How many ex presidents of The States can you name as Masons??
How many ex Presidents of Mexico can you name that were Masons??
Have you ever heard of Pancho Villa, E. Zapata??
Do you know who started and finished the Mexican Revolution?
I have been to the Catacombs in Rome, set in the Cave where Freemasons had to Hide and have their Meetings
You just do not know what you are Spouting. about Masonry.
Now will you please tell us some Great People who are DOPERS????????.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Skeet referring to this site:
"It is getting to where it is controlled by a Bunch of Norte DOPERS."
It seems, Skeet, that the above is your main reason for wanting to start your own BCS discussion board. I encourage you to do so. If you do, be aware
that it is likely to be populated by a bunch of dopers because ALCOHOL is dope. Just because it is the kind of dope of which you approve does not make
it any less "dope" than any other mind altering chemical depressant.
It has been my observation that people on this board, when discussing dope in its various forms, have been referring to a preference for alcohol or
cannibis. I don't remember a single instance of someone defending the use of methamphetemins, cocaine, heroin, or any other substance which might be
described as hard dope. (narcotics)
I invite you to read through the voluminous Nomads threads which have compared the social costs of alcohol and cannibis in our culture. You are a
member of a small minority who continue to try to force your narrow-minded views on everyone else. It makes it impossible to resist calling you out as
a besotted hoarmonger; the latter which you have admitted, and the former which is often painfully obvious.
Throwing in being an evangelist and a member of a dark secret society further refines your minority status.
Please don't blame us if YOU don't fit-in. |
Well said, Vagabond. No personal attacks, just the facts. Bravo.
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Tripper:
Can you read Vags Post and tell me "Why did he bring up Alcohol::??
We all know that over drinking of Alcohol is bad and causes many Deaths.
Now Think about it Tripper, Does Alcohol cause so many Deaths and fill our Prisons??
Vag uses it in his Post to Justify the use of DOPE !!! Cannot you figure that out!
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gnukid
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If Albert Pike is among the architects of FreeMasonry, yet even by his own words we should distrust his writings, in Morals and Dogmas of the
Scottish Rites then what does that say about FreeMasonry except that it is designed with a great understanding of human psychology, politics and
economies to organize, manipulate, disguise and divert society.
As students of society, we Nomads have a fine example in the posts by Skeet who exemplifies the modes of FreeMasons it seems, taking a step back, read
his posts, and you can see a pattern which attracts attention and distract from a goal, such as in this case a posters desire for greater organized
community, or previously a posters effort for greater organized community effort to warn against corruption.
For me at least, Skeet provides insight into the methods for Masonry in modern society, while he may have 'heart" and feel "well intended," his
actions belie his training which provides an excellent lesson for us.
In any case, as friends we can use this opportunity to consider reading about the history of NorthAmerica, the current state of NorthAmerica and the
proposed changes for NorthAmerica, not that we are powerful enough to cause or direct societal change, at least some of us may consider our path from
the UnitedKingdom(s) to our role on the world's stage today.
As a snapshot this thread is quite revealing, with a little more homework we may know ourselves and how history, our founders and influence even
better.
It would be awesome to hear some contributions from those who are doing research into our history and influence on the Californias and BCS!
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
In Mexico alone in the Past year or so there has been over 6,000 Killing due to DOPE!
In the United States of America the Largest number of Criminals in Prisons are from DOPE related Crimes.
Everyday many Men. Women, and Chidren are being killed by DOPERS Driving Cars.
Our Hospitals are crowded each night and Day by DOPE related Injuries!
I am very Happy that I do not FIT in with Your Crowd Vag.
Keep it up, just think you may Kill someones Child someday! |
Skeeterman, the killings that you refer to had their parallels during Prohibition. You're old enough to remember that, aren't you? The problem isn't
the DOPE, dear child, it is that people in government--strickly for political reasons--thought it expedient to outlaw it (a good summary of this can
be found in "The Emperor Wears No Clothes," should you care to enlighten yourself). Once it has been outlawed, the price goes through the roof, which
invites organized crime to get involved. Cause and effect. Quite simple, really.
Those killings you refer to would quickly go away if pot were legalized in our nation, much as they did once Prohibition was lifted. And we wouldn't
need to build more prisons. In fact, we could start closing many of them down, saving taxpayer money. And we'd pretty much solve our current economic
crunch with the taxes that all those dirty little dopers would gladly pay for their drug of choice.
Of course, we'd have to regulate its use, just as we do with alcohol--so please, no "you want our kids to be driving under the influence, etc. etc."
which is always the standard comeback to this concept.
And how convenient of you to disregard all of the alcohol-related casualties that are in our hospitals. Here's a clue for you: dopers don't usually
think they are Mario Andretti re-incarnated--that would be the alcohol consumers that get that mentality behind the wheel. My ex is an ER Nurse, she
sees them all as they come in. I can assure you that alcohol is far more detrimental than pot when it comes to social costs. How do we know? They
screen them for drugs and alcohol. But this will surely be over your head. Narrowmindedness is such a terrible disease.
Weighing in on the original idea behind this thread: I don't think a BCS site is necessary. I enjoy the input from all of our brothers and sisters on
the board. There's a vast wealth of experience that is present here, and I wouldn't want to eliminate any of it--not even your contentious postings,
my Man. As Bajalera says about books on Baja--even the worse have their little golden nuggets, you just have to find them. I find nuggets in your
posting all of the time. I just have a little fun with the BS, hope you don't take it too personal.
Take care of yourself, Old Man, for we would surely miss you if you didn't.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Prop[osed changes in North America???Challenge Gnukid!!!!
I challenge you to give us the direction and Propsals you have in Mind.
Do they include DOPE being Legal?
Do they copy the Socialist Agenda?
Comon now Gnukid. Let us know the Great Changes you and your Group have for this Great United States of America.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Tripper:
Now Think about it Tripper, Does Alcohol cause so many Deaths and fill our Prisons??
Vag uses it in his Post to Justify the use of DOPE !!! Cannot you figure that out! |
Yes! Yes! Yes! Alcohol most assuredly causes many more deaths than pot smoking. And the reason more alcoholics aren't in jail is because of the
tolerance that our system has shown alcoholics over the years. My stepfather was one of them, I could give you many examples of times he should have
been sent to prison, but wasn't. Why? Because of the tolerance that is built into the system, a tolerance that you so eloquently demonstrate for us
with your every post.
Just to be clear: I am among those who see absolutely NO reason for the illegalization of pot. None. The general trend in society is moving towards
that, or haven't you noticed? Unfortunately, there are too many people with your mentality who are in positions of power and are slowing the natural
process down. But it will be legalized eventually, be assured. In fact, California is trying to get it on the ballot for this coming election (or,
perhaps has already succeeded). And I'm not talking about "medical use" etc. As I understood it, they want to legalize its use among the general
population. So, as I see it, you can get use the idea, or die so you never have to see the day when dopers are free to smoke much like you are able to
drink your drug. What's it going to be?
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Pompano--Beautiful Lodge!
Now let us get back to TRUTH.
I never indicated that I would start a Website, I suggested someone with the know How to Start one about Baja Sur. And it my reading is still good
there are several people interested.
If you go back and look at some of the "Old" Posters you can see that they are no longer interested in the direction the Nomads is taking. They would
like to see a Website which is more about Baja Sur than some ones off ball Politics about TJ.
Folks in Baja Sur are generally different, more like Country Folks and have other Interests.
It is my wish that someone will start a Baja Sur Website and keep it Poistive and Interesting.
Good Luck Whoever you may be.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Now will you please tell us some Great People who are DOPERS????????. |
Here ya go, Skeeter. A new hobby for you:
http://www.gonzo.org/articles/other/dopefiend.html
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Gnukid:
Now will you please tell us some Great People who are DOPERS????????. |
While I can't say that they were "DOPERS," I can say that both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were hemp farmers. And who knows what they did
with their choice buds during their moments of relaxation? The reason we don't know of any modern-day users is because it is illegal to use, of
course. Otherwise, I'm sure the list would really shock you. I mean, would you accept that from George W. Bush?
Excerpts from The Emperor Wears No Clothes:
"In 1619, America's first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia, ordering all farmers to make tryal of Indian hemp seed. More
mandatory hemp cultivation laws were enacted (on other colonies in the following years).
Cannabis hemp was legal tender in most of the Americas from 1631 until the early 1800s. Why? To encourage American farmers to grow more. You could pay
your taxes with cannabis hemp throughout America for over 200 years.
You could even be jailed in America for not growing cannabis during several periods of shortage.
The U.S. Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp plantations (minimum 2,000 acre farms) growing cannabis hemp for (assorted reasons)." This figure excludes
farms that were under the minimum acreage required to be included in the Census.
So, you see, Skeet, as inconvenient a fact as it is, hemp production has been a long and honored tradition in our nation's history. It only became
"something bad" during your lifetime (a coincidence?). It was outlawed in the 1930s--not because of concerns for health issues, but rather, as a means
of justifying the deportation of Mexican farm workers--many of whom used the legal drug at the time. Getting rid of the Mexicans made their jobs
available to desperate Americans, who suddenly found farm work OK when all other sources of income were no longer available.
You can argue all you want that such commercial applications didn't necessarily mean that people were using it for recreational purposes. I would
argue that such logic goes against human nature--something I've studied at the doctoral level.
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Oh ! Tripper your are so full of It.!! Your "Doctoral Studies are Flawed'!!
1930 was in the beginning of the Great Depression. The Farm workers Jobs you are trying to associate with "Hemp" was because of the "Dust Bowl""
Like Pompano said' History Books are not to be trusted.
But you could sure learn something about True life in the 30,s if you were born and rasied on a Dirt Farm in Texas.
Did you go to Berkerly???
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Of course
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
I would argue that such logic goes against human nature--something I've studied at the doctoral level.
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Probably with a government grant...At Berkeley, no doubt.
Skeet and I just lost all respect for you. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Now will you please tell us some Great People who are DOPERS????????. |
Bill Maher?
carpe diem!
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Oh ! Tripper your are so full of It.!! Your "Doctoral Studies are Flawed'!!
1930 was in the beginning of the Great Depression. The Farm workers Jobs you are trying to associate with "Hemp" was because of the "Dust Bowl""
Like Pompano said' History Books are not to be trusted.
But you could sure learn something about True life in the 30,s if you were born and rasied on a Dirt Farm in Texas.
Did you go to Berkerly??? |
Aaahhh, Skeeterman, my man. I see your logic chip has been overloaded again and you are resorting to your usual defense mechanism when that happens.
"And when was hemp (marijuana) outlawed in the United States?" an inquiring mind might have asked. For practical purposes, it was effectively outlawed
by legislation passed during 1935-1937. Here's a snapshot of events as they pertain only to this subject: Dust Bowl=lots of displaced farmers, who
migrate to California and other agricultural regions not affected by it. But these places are already fully manned up by--yes, those undesirable
Mexicans who were taking jobs away from Americans. And on and on till we come up with the legislation needed to get rid of them.
But you need not worry about that. This information is found in those darnfangled history books. We can only know the history we lived. What was I
thinking?
This is where I check out of our conversations. I try to live by that old saying, "Never argue with an idiot..."
[Edited on 9-16-2010 by Bajatripper]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
We can only know the history we lived. |
In which case, we only know the history we remember.
The library is shrinking day by day.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
gnukid...I speak from my own experience.
As a avid student of 'actual' history, I mistrust almost all history books. They have agendas.
Out. |
Skepticism of history books is an excellent starting position, however there does exist a thing we can call the true history and it is possible to
read various sources, gather evidence backed by witness and material and with a comparative view you can decide for yourself what occurred.
On the hand, you can throw your hands up and say we can know nothing at all for certain is another position. Between these two likely is the closest
we can come to the truth.
It's interesting to me how often I meet both young and old who refuse to read or consider any view other than what is repeated most often on their
local TV, on the other hand certainly youthful wonder and wisdom of ages seems to provide desire for facts, interest in the world.
There are two main historical theories, the one where we just fumble along and everyone is basically an idiot making mistakes to arrive where we are,
and the other theory that history is the result of actions organized by those with the most ability to cause action, generally for their own profit
and benefit.
To that end, one needn't shy away in any case from considering history and certainly one should resist the urge to ignore what you know.
What strikes me most about the Skeetisms, is that his writing takes the form, he follows a logic which if described would be: draw attention, attack
with vague statements, change the subject often, create straw-men and demand people to defend those and then change the subject again,
attack-withdraw. This appears to be a very successful political gaming strategy when dealing with an easily distracted audience who have no
historrical perspective. In the back of my mind, I am thinking there are some really well educated, thoughtful and educated people here who must know
a great deal about BF Skinner's gaming strategy, the politics of FreeMasonry, groupthink and history of the monarchical social influence on society.
We seem to be at a critical juncture in time, which requires some independent and critical thought? I defer to the experts.
[Edited on 9-13-2010 by gnukid]
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Ok Tripper I too will bow out for the same reasons.
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