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Rosarito-Ensenada Bike Ride Ad- Insulting or just bad timing?
Seems this ad for the upcoming Rosarito-Ensenada fun bike ride isn't funny to many. Maybe it's just nationalist hypersensitivity with the
bi-centennial celebrations and all. At least they didn't put training-wheels on their bikes.
http://www.afntijuana.info/afn/?p=13273
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sanquintinsince73
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Mexico's always been overly sensitive about their national heroes and especially their flag. I remember illegal immigrants burning the red, white, and
blue in L.A. a few years ago. Someone decided to burn a Mexico flag and it became an international incident.
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I think it's a cool looking poster, where can I get one?
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Mexico's always been overly sensitive about their national heroes and especially their flag. I remember illegal immigrants burning the red, white, and
blue in L.A. a few years ago. Someone decided to burn a Mexico flag and it became an international incident. |
The US is the only country that is required to turn the other cheek.
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I sponsored a friend's kid for high school graduation a few years ago back in Tijuana. They did some sort of ceremony were they swear allegiance to
the Mexico flag. I did not say the words nor stretch my arm forward like everyone else. At the end of the ceremony not only did I get alot of stares
but the principal pulled me aside and tried to school me on respect for the flag. I did stand at attention though, as I would for any national ensign
as a sign of respect.
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that is so bizarre, I can't imagine swearing allegiance to a foreign flag ... and I am sure a Mexican would never honor the American flag (assuming
they are just visiting and not naturalized) ...
Shari ??? Have you ever had such an experience before you became a citizen ?????
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I sponsored a friend's kid for high school graduation a few years ago back in Tijuana. They did some sort of ceremony were they swear allegiance to
the Mexico flag. I did not say the words nor stretch my arm forward like everyone else. At the end of the ceremony not only did I get alot of stares
but the principal pulled me aside and tried to school me on respect for the flag. I did stand at attention though, as I would for any national ensign
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I cringe every time I see that stiff-armed salute. Bad memories from history.
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oh yeah...big time...I learned real fast to do the straight arm salute when everyone else did...even though I felt utterly ridiculous! I didnt want to
embarrass poor Sirenita...she had a tough enough time having a gringa mom.
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I have always showed respect for the Mexican flag and ways.
was in San Diego for my grandsons graduation and some Mexican people would not stand for the Star Spangle Banner. that peeed me off pretty bad.
seems as Americans we always respect other countries but it does not come back to us.
it is sad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I sponsored a friend's kid for high school graduation a few years ago back in Tijuana. They did some sort of ceremony were they swear allegiance to
the Mexico flag. I did not say the words nor stretch my arm forward like everyone else. At the end of the ceremony not only did I get alot of stares
but the principal pulled me aside and tried to school me on respect for the flag. I did stand at attention though, as I would for any national ensign
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I went to school in Australia back in 1970 (I was 12) and during patriotic celebrations and assemblies, I stood with my classmates to respect their
country but did not sing God Save the Queen... which goes to the tune of My Country Tis' a Thee. There were three other Americans at that school, two
from Texas (an oil company was drilling offshore) and one from La Mesa (San Diego area... small world)!
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by irenemm
I have always showed respect for the Mexican flag and ways.
was in San Diego for my grandsons graduation and some Mexican people would not stand for the Star Spangle Banner. that peeed me off pretty bad.
seems as Americans we always respect other countries but it does not come back to us.
it is sad |
Years ago at the rose bowl stadium in Pasadena, CA Mexico and United States played soccer. Most of the fans were hispanic. When the United States
National Anthem was played, the entire stadium booed. During the game, anyone cheering for the American team was thrown cups of urine from behind.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by irenemm
I have always showed respect for the Mexican flag and ways.
was in San Diego for my grandsons graduation and some Mexican people would not stand for the Star Spangle Banner. that peeed me off pretty bad.
seems as Americans we always respect other countries but it does not come back to us.
it is sad |
Years ago at the rose bowl stadium in Pasadena, CA Mexico and United States played soccer. Most of the fans were hispanic. When the United States
National Anthem was played, the entire stadium booed. During the game, anyone cheering for the American team was thrown cups of urine from behind.
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And that makes our blood boil. Just because people have the right to disrespect the USA and her symbols, does not mean Americans doesn't notice and
remember. Every time an American sees their flag being burned they take mental note- and it sets the flag burner's cause back further and further.
My Mexican family looks at me in disbelief when we watch a USA flag burning on TV and I say it's their right to do it and we wouldn't have it any
other way. That's one reason why a lot the world hates us- we are so strong that we can flick those insults off like unwanted ants on a picnic table
and makes us prouder to be who and what we are. Just look at the hundreds of US flags and effigies being burned in the middle-east over just the
threat of a Koran burning.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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wow, well put wooooooooooooooooooooooosh
freedom is freedom
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
wow, well put wooooooooooooooooooooooosh
freedom is freedom |
I showed this bike poster to my Mexican family who didn't think it was a huge insult or even a big deal. They thought it was pretty cool and they
liked it actually. But they do understand that some on the fringe are upset when anything like this is done and make a big hub-bub about it.
Every time people get upset about seemingly little things- it make me wonder out loud why they aren't more upset about the big problems. Maybe the
problems are so great they don't know where to start- or they don't feel they can make a difference. Every good cause starts with just one person
being involved in making a difference, someday they will catch on to that. jmo.
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by irenemm
I have always showed respect for the Mexican flag and ways.
was in San Diego for my grandsons graduation and some Mexican people would not stand for the Star Spangle Banner. that peeed me off pretty bad.
seems as Americans we always respect other countries but it does not come back to us.
it is sad |
Years ago at the rose bowl stadium in Pasadena, CA Mexico and United States played soccer. Most of the fans were hispanic. When the United States
National Anthem was played, the entire stadium booed. During the game, anyone cheering for the American team was thrown cups of urine from behind.
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And that makes our blood boil. Just because people have the right to disrespect the USA and her symbols, does not mean Americans doesn't notice and
remember. Every time an American sees their flag being burned they take mental note- and it sets the flag burner's cause back further and further.
My Mexican family looks at me in disbelief when we watch a USA flag burning on TV and I say it's their right to do it and we wouldn't have it any
other way. That's one reason why a lot the world hates us- we are so strong that we can flick those insults off like unwanted ants on a picnic table
and makes us prouder to be who and what we are. Just look at the hundreds of US flags and effigies being burned in the middle-east over just the
threat of a Koran burning. |
Very well stated, Wooosh. My wife is a national from Sinaloa and we constantly debate the flag issue. She claims that Mexico has more respect for
their flag than we do. Negative, says me. We have a concept here called freedom of expression. As much as it burns me to see my flag being burned or
stepped on, it is our God-given right to do so. Go burn a flag in other countries and you will get flogged or worse. I may love Baja, but I am damn
proud to be an American.
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I can't say that I've shared the experiences of some while in social situations that required saluting the Mexican flag here in La Paz. Over the last
seven years I've attended many functions at my daughter's and stepkids' schools in which the flag was honored. Although I stood at attention, I've
never saluted the flag, and I was often standing on a second-floor balcony so I could get photos of the subsequent proceedings. I've never felt that
anyone was bothered by my lack of a salute, and no school officials have ever mentioned it to me.
I showed my Mexican wife the poster, which elicited a "Esta padre" (it's cool) response from her.
My personal experiences in Mexico seem to contradict much of what has been posted on this thread. I have found that it's Americans of a certain
political persuasion who have hot-headed problems with people who show disrespect to the American flag. Mexicans, on the other hand, seem to have much
cooler heads when it comes to such things as politics (many of my Mexican friends think everything is corrupt and that nothing will ever change, so
why get angry about it?) or the flag. Sure, Mexicans have their jokes that always have the humble Mexican making fools out of his American and Russian
counterparts, but in practical daily applications, their attitudes seem to be more in line with a "que sera, sera" acquiescence as opposed to
ultra-nationalism.
Perhaps all of my Mexican friends are cactus-hugging pacifists and I never knew it.
[Edited on 9-14-2010 by Bajatripper]
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Although it may not presently be quite as lofty a perch as it was just a few years ago, The US had held a dominant position in the world at least
since WWII. I just think it's human nature to flip us off, metaphorically speaking. Dissing authority. Makes the less fortunate fell a bit better.
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If that poster were written in Espaņol, the Mexicans would probably never take notice.
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Is there any historical reason why Americans put their hands over their hearts instead of a stiff-armed salute? (non-military).
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The hand over the heart was done only during the pledge of allegiance. It was Mr. Reagan who started the hand over heart for saluting purposes.
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