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BajaBlanca
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BLACK SEA BASS - MERO
Hi all, I have heard that Punta Abreojos is holding their fishing tournament this weekend and that MERO will be one of the fish included.
My request is 2fold:
1. I fyou are somehow related or know anyone in Punta Abreojos, please let them all know that this is not a good thing (assuming that you agree with
me on this).
2. Can anyone send me a link or information on why this species is protected ? I wrote to the fishing coop and I wrote to the governor but I need more
ammunition ie FACTS.
What I know: It takes 15 years for black sea bass to reach 150 lbs., the 300 lb. female has 6 million eggs, some of them reach the age of 200 years
(that was my "ahaaaaaaaaaaaa" moment, I told them these fish were as old as Mexico's Independence so they should be saved as a memento.
Any help wd be very appreciated. 
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bajabass
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As far as I know, the black sea bass is only a protected species in California. They have made a strong comeback in recent years up and down the
coast. Yes, they are a slow growing fish. Too bad the meat is delicious, so I'll doubt you will have any luck in Mexico, trying to get them protected.
From what I have picked up on the internet, the Mexican population of BSB is strong. Limited access to much of the Pacific coast is the reason.
Hopefully they will not go the way of the totuava!!
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | What I know: It takes 15 years for black sea bass to reach 150 lbs., the 300 lb. female has 6 million eggs, some of them reach the age of 200 years
(that was my "ahaaaaaaaaaaaa" moment, I told them these fish were as old as Mexico's Independence so they should be saved as a memento.
Any help wd be very appreciated. |
......or served as a memento.
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krafty
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So when I see MERO in Commercial it is black sea bass????? who knew.....
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As you probably know, there is a Pesca
office in downtown San Diego, but you would
probably would not get a clear answer.
Mexfish.com, G kiras site does not mention
Stereolepis gigas, as being on the no take
list for sportfishing in Mex. The Midriff , San Felipe
fishing charters, take Black Sea Bass.
Have heard of it mentioned Calif may at some
point have limited take.
However gentlemans rules suggest leave the
Big ones alone
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Pescador
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Just ask Juanchys to get it stopped.
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Ken Bondy
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whistler - agree it was the spearfishermen who (almost) caused the demise of BSB in California. BSB are large, curious, slow and docile; a perfect
target for a spearfisherman. I am repulsed by the many old photos I have seen with a 500#+ BSB hanging on a hook next to a gloating spearfisherman
with his gun; as if he had done something heroic and brave. It is wonderful to see the comeback they are making now.
carpe diem!
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Skipjack Joe
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Are the spearfisherman responsible for wiping out most of the gulf grouper in the cortez?
Ray Cannon writes about the almost endless supply of grouper from point lobos off the end of Carmen during those early years. A friend of mine came
down right after the highway was paved and remembers seeing huge gulf grouper while snorkeling from the beaches of Concepcion Bay.
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skipowell
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I guess that makes me a bad person
I order the black sea bass every opportunity I get in Mexico!
I was under the impression that it was thriving in Mexico.
Please don't tell me otherwise!
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bajafam
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oh why does it have to taste so good?? Well, I've eaten it once, but I will (try) to not eat anymore. Thanks for the info, Blanca, I had no idea. And
I hope you get somewhere with the tourney.
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by bajabass Yes, they are a slow growing fish. Too bad the meat is delicious, so I'll doubt you will have any luck in
Mexico, trying to get them protected. |
La verdad.
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BajaBlanca
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Juanchy knows, wehave talked about it for 2 days now ....
the president of the coop in Abreojos sent me a loooooooooooonnnnnng email telling me that there was nothing he could do. I wrote to the governor's
assistant, let's see if he can get somwhere.
Les is the one who most educated me about the danger of fishing out the mero ...he is adamant about protecting them. And I don't know how Juanchy got
educated, but he gets very upset too...La Bocana is still netting, which is absurd as well.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
whistler - agree it was the spearfishermen who (almost) caused the demise of BSB in California. BSB are large, curious, slow and docile; a perfect
target for a spearfisherman. *** I am repulsed by the many old photos I have seen with a 500#+ BSB hanging on a hook next to a gloating spearfisherman
with his gun; as if he had done something heroic and brave.*** It is wonderful to see the comeback they are making now. |
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Nonsense!
Spear fisherman proudly displaying a 500 pound + BSB they had speared!
Nonsense! Utterly nonsense!
The spear fishermen were a very small component of the demised of the BSB but certainly not solely responsible -- ever greater numbers were taken by
the wishing stick fishermen during the same time period. However in those days of yesteryear it was front page news when one was speared.........
If you, as a modern late model tube sucking bubble blower, were the least bit acquainted with the development of spear guns and spear fishing
techniques you would recognize that both were in their infancy as compared the pole fishermen who had been developing their equipment and techniques
since before Sir Isaac Walton published the Compleat Angler in 1654.
To spear a BSB required hours and hours of in water hunting with no or minimal thermal protection, specialized often home made dedicated spear guns
with special rigging to control and subdue the fish and even more specialized equipment to horse the fish into the boat.
For you information following is the recognized world records for this magnificent fish as recorded by the International Underwater Spearfishing
Association as compiled by the late Ralph Davis
Spear fishing -- Black Sea Bass (Stereolepis gigas)
World RECORDS:
1953 Herb Sampson Costa Mesa 172-1/2 pounds
1954 Jack Prodanovich San Diego 310 pounds
1954 Wally Potts San Diego 401 1/2 pounds
1956 Ron Church La Jolla 464 1/2 pounds
1960 John ( Jack) Dudley Scotsmans cove,Orange county 480 pounds
Current and last and final record
Bob Stansberry-San Clemente Island 518 pounds.
As you will note the spearing lasted only a short time and only 6 WR were recorded
I knew them all and dove with many of them and have pictures of Herb, Jack Wally Ron and Jack standing by or horsing the fish to the surface or
setting on the fish but none of Bob with the last record breaking fish...Neither does Bob, Perhaps you had one taken with your Baby Brownie camera?
Please proudly display it -- Bob and the world would like to view it
SDM
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My buddy hands me my new underwater camera that I haven't used yet... We are anchored off San Clemente Isl. Ca. About two weeks ago.. I dive down
to about 40 ' and there to greet me was a monster grouper (bsb) I'm in a hurry trying to take photos with a camera I dont really know how to
use, While this big guy, maybe 150 lbs at least, circles me slowly about 8 ft away. I did manage to get 2 or 3 photos out of focus, with a line
through the middle, otherwise awful photos. 10 or so minutes later I see 2 more bigger guys that swim by very close.. Point is that I have seen
them my last 3 trips out there so I think that they are back in numbers.. They are not afraid of divers ..
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Ken Bondy
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dean
Even after filtering out all your sarcasm and bizarre insults, I still don't understand your point 
++Ken++
PS "...a modern late model tube sucking bubble blower..." That's by far the strangest thing I've ever been called. I kinda like it
[Edited on 9-18-2010 by Ken Bondy]
carpe diem!
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Skipjack Joe
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Sounds a lot like Skeet.
Omigosh, is that what our 'golden' years are going to be like ? 
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Sounds a lot like Skeet.
Omigosh, is that what our 'golden' years are going to be like ?
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Sheesh, I sure hope not Igor. I've always liked Dean's posts, and I think I actually met him once or twice over the years. But I have no idea what
he is talking about here.
carpe diem!
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Russ
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From dean millers' post:
".... To spear a BSB required hours and hours of in water hunting with no or minimal thermal protection, specialized often home made dedicated spear
guns with special rigging to control and subdue the fish and even more specialized equipment to horse the fish into the boat."
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Summer of '68, my first excursion to Baja was with several of the founders of Las Baracs. We drove down and set up camp near Los Frailes in a cove
called Los Arbolitos or Solotito by the local family then. The people I was lucky enough to be with had been making the trip for years and were some
of the best free divers I have ever dove with. We'd go out with a family fisherman in his wooden panga to the sea mounts and see a lot of 200lb plus
grouper and would only spear the 50 and below fish for food and market for the family. They didn't want "huge" fish. Too tough. During the 6 week stay
in the cove there were a lot of fly-in divers that took only huge, photo op, fish. During that short period they killed over 100 grouper/jew fish in
the 200+# class. These were friendly fish and the only "skill" required to take them was to be able to hold your breath for a 30' to 40' dive and c-ck
a high end arbolet (sp ?)/spear gun. These rich assassins didn't camp where we we, no runway, but we'd see them out diving and our fisherman would
tell us about them. I think even back then there were "tube sucking bubble blowers". My point is, finally, a few well equipped divers can take a lot
of ancient fish in a short time. Whether sports divers or commercial it doesn't take many years to decimate a population.
more from dean miller
"To spear a BSB required hours and hours of in water hunting with no or minimal thermal protection, specialized often home made dedicated spear guns
with special rigging to control and subdue the fish and even more specialized equipment to horse the fish into the boat."
---- I don't know when or where you're talking about but here in Baja those giants are still easy pickings when you happen upon them.
[Edited on 9-18-2010 by Russ]
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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I just read this in the Sudcaliforniano online newspaper abouth Guerrero Negro's first fishing tournament...the winner got a 239 lb. Mero(black sea
bass) on his wishing stick to win 15,000 pesos....when I saw the photo, I thought it was someone dressed in a Bass Suit...weird...didnt have my
glasses on...that's a big sucker. Second place was a 7.2 lb calico for 10,000 pesos...they served Mano de Leon at the banquet after...yummy.
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n1784505.htm
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rts551
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141 kilos first place mero
39 kilos grouper
15 kilos yellow tail
black sea bass are in abundance in this area. they are not commercially fished. but I guess we should protect them from the tourists after this
advertisement thread.
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