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DianaT
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Asked about Dogs at Border FIRST TIME Going South
For twenty years we have traveled with dogs in and out of Baja and the Mainland, and until the other day, the only time we had been questioned about
our dogs was when we entered the Mainland from Guatemala.
But that changed a couple of days ago! Going south, we cross in the morning at San Ysidro/Tijuana. Since we have a pick-up truck, any more we are
always directed to secondary even with the green light. Never a problem--quick questions, quick peek in the back and we are off.
However, there appear to be a number of new young lady officers and for the first time, one asked us about certificates for our dogs. We don't have
them.
We showed her the tag on their collars and she was OK this time, but told us to be sure and have the health certificates next time. We questioned
the length of time the health certificates are good for as we are back and forth all the time. From what we understood, she said just the rabies
certificate would probably work.
We don't carry the rabies certificates because while they receive a shot that is good for three years, we have the shots administered by our vet in
Imperial Valley, and that county will only issue certificates for one year----there is no way we want our dogs receiving a rabies shot every year.
We have our plans as to what we will do and have ready for them if asked again. But just thought I would mention it as this is a real first for us in
over 20 years!
And from other postings, it appears that it is beginning to happen to more people--
Diana
[Edited on 10-1-2010 by DianaT]
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Mexicorn
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This has also has happened to me.
I always keep a copy of shot records in my vehicle.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexicorn
This has also has happened to me.
I always keep a copy of shot records in my vehicle. |
We will also be sure to carry the records---ones that show the rabies good for three years, not one. 
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Well ....u sold me
I just hate paperwork....but will now go get all the docs hearing what u just went thru with the new personnel.
Cant the one year certificates be "made over" to show 3?
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Mexicorn
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Agreed three years I wouldnt want to put a dog or cat through that yearly.
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I have heard, but don't know for a fact, that they use a lesser strength shot in Baja, hence the annual treatment. Anyone know for a fact?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marinero
I have heard, but don't know for a fact, that they use a lesser strength shot in Baja, hence the annual treatment. Anyone know for a fact?
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Must be true. My dog gets shots every year. The vet is good so I doubt he's giving her too much.
I thought I recalled a regulation from the US side that said they had to be yearly.
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I have been sent back twice in the last month. Once for my DVD collection,
no more than 10 allowed, and last weekend because of my wife's shoes and clothes. She is in La Paz, and I'm hauling them down. The girl said no wife, no womens shoes or clothes. Each time the girl and the Marine were petting my
collie, and never asked for his papers.I keep them in the truck at all times, and his rabies cert is for 3 years. I have noticed they are cracking
down on everything. Bad timing, as I am trying to move everything I own to Baja.
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DENNIS
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Why didn't you tell them all the clothes were yours? Is there any law against being weird?
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Bet them cd's were the Village People collection....
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Bet them cd's were the Village People collection.... |
With a couple of Barry Manilows mixed in. 
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 Hey, I look cute in tight jeans and pumps!! No, no Barry in my cd collection, but this was over 100 DVD's. I hid them all
over the truck and hit Otay both times, no problem. OK you jokers, now back on topic!
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You think this is all because of the recent elections?
I noted last time going thru Mexicali that red light was turning on a bit more that usual.
Love ya.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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That, or the whole Arizona thing.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I just hate paperwork....but will now go get all the docs hearing what u just went thru with the new personnel.
Cant the one year certificates be "made over" to show 3? |
One must be VERY quiet about any such outrageous ideas. Last time I suggested it around here, very quickly many responses pretty much assured me I
was headed for Federal Prison.
I immediately destroyed my scanner so I would never be tempted to do such a thing.
The rabies shot the dogs receive in El Centro, in Imperial County are the exact shots that are given in San Diego---but the county of San Diego will
issue the official certificate for the three years, and Imperial County will not do so ----but everything is A LOT cheaper at the vet in El Centro
than in San Diego.
Wonder if that scanner can be fixed............ NO,NO
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Yearly Shot "Records" ? NO Problema !
With a PC and Practice.
I once brought back a Dog from Mexico (an adopted stray) and, after very little time and effort, produced an appropriate facsimile of a Vet Rabies
certificate that was indistinguishable from the original I used for a template.
SO, you could have any date you wanted to at any time. Get your 3-year shots, but "update" your certificate yearly.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marinero
I have heard, but don't know for a fact, that they use a lesser strength shot in Baja, hence the annual treatment. Anyone know for a fact?
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In CA, our cats went to a feline veterinarian who offered only the ONE-year Rabies vaccine called Purevax because of potential injection-site cancers
caused by 3 -yr Rabies vaccines.
There is some thought that the "adjuvant" (added to vaccines to stimulate immune system response) is responsible for causing sarcomas at the site of
vaccine injections. The "Purevax" Rabies vaccine is the only one that does not contain an adjuvant. Unfortunately, it has to be given annually which
is kind of a pain to keep track of because their other vaccine is a 3 yr.
I don't know anything about dog vaccines, but I don't think they would offer a weaker vaccine here in Mexico and give it more often. To be effective
the vaccine would have to be strong enough to reach a threshold which would stimulate the body to produce antibodies against the virus or it wouldn't
offer protection against the virus. Not something they could just dilute down and give more often, nor could they give a whopping dose of the drug and
call it a "3-year" . I would guess that the 3-year vaccine formulas contain some sort of sustained-release ability that keep the antibody level up for
a longer period of time.
The gatos will be making their first vaccination visit to the Mexican vet soon and I'll try and find out more.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
We don't carry the rabies certificates because while they receive a shot that is good for three years, we have the shots administered by our vet in
Imperial Valley, and that county will only issue certificates for one year----there is no way we want our dogs receiving a rabies shot every year.
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Do the Rabies certificates have to come from the county to be valid? I get certificates from the vet who gave the vaccine. When the cats used to get
3-yr Rabies vaccines, the certificate clearly stated the vaccine was valid until a certain date. These "certificates" don't have fancy stamps and
county seals and although we've always carried them, we've never been asked for them at the border so I don't know if they would be acceptable.
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I questioned the vet in Los Barriles about this a while back and this is what he told me: "The 3 year shot in the US and the shot given in MX is the
same shot, same dosage etc. The effectiveness of it or any other vaccine diminishes over time thus your pet would be more susceptible to catching
rabies in the 3rd year than the first if it were exposed. Mexico has a higher incidence of rabies than the US so they require more frequent
vaccination. It doesn't matter what your immunization record says, it is only good for 1 year from the date of immunization". This is what he told me
and he is a highly regarded vet in these parts.
I also asked him about the amount of vaccine administered as I was holding my 4lb dog watching him prepare the same dosage that he just gave a
Labrador and he said it was the same amount for all dogs. I hated to see Cacahuate getting such a big shot but she didn't even flinch......dt
Perhaps Dr. Tom will weigh in....
[Edited on 10-2-2010 by dtbushpilot]
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oladulce
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
We don't carry the rabies certificates because while they receive a shot that is good for three years, we have the shots administered by our vet in
Imperial Valley, and that county will only issue certificates for one year----there is no way we want our dogs receiving a rabies shot every year.
Diana |
Do the Rabies certificates have to come from the county to be valid? I get certificates from the vet who gave the vaccine. When the cats used to get
3-yr Rabies vaccines, the certificate clearly stated the vaccine was valid until a certain date. These "certificates" don't have fancy stamps and
county seals and although we've always carried them, we've never been asked for them at the border so I don't know if they would be acceptable.
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The Certificate comes from the Vet as he is authorized by the county to issue them, but by law, he has to say the 3 year vaccine is only good for 1
year----he does not like it, but has no choice.
Years and years ago, we had an International Health Certificate for our other dog, RIP and we used the 72 hour certificate for about 5 years.
To leave Honduras, we had to get an official exit permit for our dog---that was crazy as it even had to be stamped by the American Embassy. But they
asked for it as we drove out of the country.
The Guatemala who does not trust Honduras, wanted a certificate from the US---bingo they accepted the US Issued International Health Certificate that
some how had been created less than 72 hours before and we had been in Honduras for a year.
Same thing when we left Guatemala several months later---Mexico did not want papers from Honduras or Guatemala, but only the US certificate----again,
it was less than 72 hours old.
It was truly the magical Health Certificate and I think we need some Magical Health Certificates for these two dogs.
dtbushpilot? same dose for a tiny 4lb dog? Yikes!
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