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bajatravelergeorge
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
A compassionate act, Shari. Good for ya.
As we are ALL part of nature, sometimes the Creator might lead us to care for those beings less fortunate....it is a choice we all make daily, whether
we are doing it consciously or not.....and Shari's act was "natural".
To think that lap poodles have more "thoughts and feelings" than wild animals is ludicrous....or that all animals have none is even more so.
As a coyote is part of nature (as stated below), it only follows that a coyote eating your dog is a very natural act....whether it did it in the
outback or on your patio.
Folks talk to their pets often as extensions of themselves, but that is all we are ever doing when we talk with another human if you really think
about it.
BTG, sorry you lost your dog....but, if you are right, your dog had no thoughts or feelings during its last breaths....so don't worry about it....if
your dog suffered beyond just the physical realm, then I guess critters have some capacity for thought and emotion 
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
The coyote is part of nature. Its not a domesticated dog. They don't have thought or emotions. The coyote didn't think "Thank you human for the food."
And it might have been the flocker that attacked and killed my dog right on our patio, right in front of us, in broad daylight. I say, "shoot the
b**stards." |
[Edited on 12-1-2010 by motoged] |
POW!  |
I didn't say my dog had emotions, but my wife and I do and I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money
because we enjoyed having the dog around and she was a great little alert dog. We would have been able to enjoy her for many years to come, God
willing, if not for the coyote. This type of thing happens in urban environments as well so you can't blame it on Baja. You can blame it on the tree
huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures even when they kill our pets, or worse, when they kill humans. How
tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked and killed by a mountain lion in or near a urban setting. But you can't hunt or kill them until
they've attacked someone. When did we lower the value of a human life to that of a wild animal!
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mcfez
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And now...a note from your local tree hugger:
I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money because we enjoyed having the dog
Wow! You're more concerned about dollars than the dog! It's clear from your post. So I get that your sofa is no better than your pet dog. That sofa
gives comfort too, right? Too bad that Coyote didnt kill your sofa too. It and the dog is only money after all!
You can blame it on the tree huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures
Yeah Baby.....let go kill all them whales of the Seas. The Elephants too. What good are these animals anyhow...they just eat and dont do me a damn bit
of good. In fact....lets just rid the forests.....dusty over growth land that is worthless to folks like you and me. Burn it down Baby, burn!
How tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked
Humans attack joggers too. Lets kill em all. Oh....I read somewhere where hiking is to enjoy the great outdoor life. Why hike? Thanks to guys like
you...you are killing off everything without regard....since you ain't a tree hugger.
Too bad for your dog. I love dogs. I wont be dumb enough to leave my dog out in the yard where I knew there was coyotes roaming around.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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mojo_norte
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I didn't say my dog had emotions, but my wife and I do and I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money
because we enjoyed having the dog around and she was a great little alert dog. We would have been able to enjoy her for many years to come, God
willing, if not for the coyote. This type of thing happens in urban environments as well so you can't blame it on Baja. You can blame it on the tree
huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures even when they kill our pets, or worse, when they kill humans. How
tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked and killed by a mountain lion in or near a urban setting. But you can't hunt or kill them until
they've attacked someone. When did we lower the value of a human life to that of a wild animal! |
Sorry about your dog - next dog adopt a Baja stray - they're free . they're everywhere. they're infinitely grateful . they're coyote savvy and make
great camp/ watch dogs. although often not attractive , they are always lovable!
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mojo_norte
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Oh - I forgot to add ... A nice Baja dog might improve your karma and outlook on things
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bajatravelergeorge
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I'm sure you are aware that the cougar attack happened up in your neck of the woods. So if you get some free time, do me a favor and do a little
hiking up there. While your at it, since Shamu and Dumbo need a little more room to roam undisturbed by humans, please make a donation to your local
abortion clinic so we can kill a few more unborn babies. Better to kill humans than to crowd in on the wildlife.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money because we enjoyed having the dog
Wow! You're more concerned about dollars than the dog! It's clear from your post. So I get that your sofa is no better than your pet dog. That sofa
gives comfort too, right? Too bad that Coyote didnt kill your sofa too. It and the dog is only money after all!
You can blame it on the tree huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures
Yeah Baby.....let go kill all them whales of the Seas. The Elephants too. What good are these animals anyhow...they just eat and dont do me a damn bit
of good. In fact....lets just rid the forests.....dusty over growth land that is worthless to folks like you and me. Burn it down Baby, burn!
How tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked
Humans attack joggers too. Lets kill em all. Oh....I read somewhere where hiking is to enjoy the great outdoor life. Why hike? Thanks to guys like
you...you are killing off everything without regard....since you ain't a tree hugger.
Too bad for your dog. I love dogs. I wont be dumb enough to leave my dog out in the yard where I knew there was coyotes roaming around.
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Mulegena
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Coyote Beautiful
Thanks, Shari.
I know you, and you're not a softie.
You did the right thing, imo.
All God's Creatures get to sing in the Choir!
Mulegena
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
I'm sure you are aware that the cougar attack happened up in your neck of the woods. So if you get some free time, do me a favor and do a little
hiking up there. While your at it, since Shamu and Dumbo need a little more room to roam undisturbed by humans, please make a donation to your local
abortion clinic so we can kill a few more unborn babies. Better to kill humans than to crowd in on the wildlife.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money because we enjoyed having the dog
Wow! You're more concerned about dollars than the dog! It's clear from your post. So I get that your sofa is no better than your pet dog. That sofa
gives comfort too, right? Too bad that Coyote didnt kill your sofa too. It and the dog is only money after all!
You can blame it on the tree huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures
Yeah Baby.....let go kill all them whales of the Seas. The Elephants too. What good are these animals anyhow...they just eat and dont do me a damn bit
of good. In fact....lets just rid the forests.....dusty over growth land that is worthless to folks like you and me. Burn it down Baby, burn!
How tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked
Humans attack joggers too. Lets kill em all. Oh....I read somewhere where hiking is to enjoy the great outdoor life. Why hike? Thanks to guys like
you...you are killing off everything without regard....since you ain't a tree hugger.
Too bad for your dog. I love dogs. I wont be dumb enough to leave my dog out in the yard where I knew there was coyotes roaming around.
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Ah...that's not nice to wish someone dead. That statement just made me feel so unwanted. Just like your sofa and dog.
Wildlife was here and there and everywhere way before you came along. Don't blame wildlife for killing your dog...it was you stupidity of not
understanding your surroundings.
[Edited on 12-2-2010 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Neal Johns
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I'm with you, Shari.
My motto:
Never let a Dragon pass by without pulling its tail!
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redhilltown
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My vote goes to McFez and Shari. I have camped alone many a time fishing on the Cortez and I have no trouble throwing a fish head or two (at least the
ones I don't eat!) to a skinny coyote. I welcome four legged company around the campfire in situations like that...two legs worry me.
I have no idea what freakshow planet bajatravelergeorge dropped in from but to bring abortion and dead babies into a relatively sane thread about
feeding stray coyotes is a bit sick and twisted...and I don't mean that in a good way.
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Tossing 'em some scraps at a temporary campsite in the backcountry isn't quite the same as feeding 'em at your doorstep.
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We have a three-legged dude that I sometimes see working the beach in the very early morning light at our camp in southbay, BOLA. He seems healthy
enough as I've seen him for at least 5 years now. I think he hits our campo when he sees my truck in camp because he always knows that there will be
fish carcasses washing up by our cleaning station. When Marty's in camp I'm sure he's learned to not bother. They'er not stupid.
Good on you Shari.
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bajaguy
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Pancakes???
| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
We have a three-legged dude that I sometimes see working the beach in the very early morning light at our camp in southbay, BOLA. He seems healthy
enough as I've seen him for at least 5 years now. I think he hits our campo when he sees my truck in camp because he always knows that there will be
fish carcasses washing up by our cleaning station. When Marty's in camp I'm sure he's learned to not bother. They'er not stupid.
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Do you feed him pancakes?????
Oh, by the way, Captain says "Hi"
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Wow....
Sometimes the best way to point out someone's lack of knowledge / concern and lack of compassion is to just let them do it themselves.
"The coyote is part of nature. Its not a domesticated dog. They don't have thought or emotions. The coyote didn't think "Thank you human for the
food." And it might have been the flocker that attacked and killed my dog right on our patio, right in front of us, in broad daylight. I say, "shoot
the b**stards."
and then again
"I didn't say my dog had emotions, but my wife and I do and I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money
because we enjoyed having the dog around and she was a great little alert dog. We would have been able to enjoy her for many years to come, God
willing, if not for the coyote. This type of thing happens in urban environments as well so you can't blame it on Baja. You can blame it on the tree
huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures even when they kill our pets, or worse, when they kill humans. How
tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked and killed by a mountain lion in or near a urban setting. But you can't hunt or kill them until
they've attacked someone. When did we lower the value of a human life to that of a wild animal! "
bajatravelergeorge
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Are you on the right Forum ?? This is the one about "Peace, Love, and Fish Tacos" . . . and I don't know if Shari's fish was wrapped in a tortilla or
not, but as I see it she's batting 1000 and you're not making many new friends here, Newbie.
djh
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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BG: Say 'Hi' back - that is exactly how he would sit on my patio tile when he would come over for, are your ready, pancakes no less. I noticed he
liked them better with Aunt Jemima than real maple syrup - cheap date.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
BG: Say 'Hi' back - that is exactly how he would sit on my patio tile when he would come over for, are your ready, pancakes no less. I noticed he
liked them better with Aunt Jemima than real maple syrup - cheap date. |
Hahahaha.......he "barks" when his breakfast and dinner are late!!!!!.......BUT, NO people food for him. Trimmed him up to about 62 lbs. He really
likes the snow also....must be his Canadian heritage!!!!
Here he is with our other Lab, Libbie:
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bajaguy
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Sorry
For the Hi-Jack
Now back to our regular programming...............
To feed or not to feed...........
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
there will be fish carcasses washing up by our cleaning station. When Marty's in camp I'm sure he's learned to not bother. They'er not stupid.
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Where is the love baby? We always put our fish heads down your septic vent.
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No, this isn't a hijack - Read a book called Sierra Oupost. It's essentially a story of a couple who lived in the wilds of the Eastern Sierra Nevada
in order to maintain a dam built in the 30's by Con Ed (I believe - lent the book, never got it back, so details lacking). Of course they had to live
there 365 days a year, and sometimes the husband had to go into town to bring in the daily data to the office and get supplies, and his wife would be
alone in their cabin. One day a fierce snow storm was swirling, and a half starved coyote came up to the cabin. The woman felt sorry for it and fed
it for a few days until it became healthy and it eventually went off on its own. It would return from time to time, keeping its distance, and the
woman always kept her distance, respecting the wild animal's instinctive way of life. The coyote returned one day with a mate. The two of them would
come for handouts (almost like a social call since they could fend for themselves), being polite in the way the woman more or less taught the first
one. One time the woman got very sick and had to stay indoors by herself, and the coyote protectively stayed around until she could come out of the
house and show the coyote that she was well. This "relationship" continued for a few years, until one Spring when it didn't come around for a few
months, and when, on her usual hike on day, found its body, having been shot by a hunter. She knew it had cubs.
Anyway, the story about the coyotes intertwined in the book about this couple's slice of life in the Sierra Nevada, portrays the woman and coyote's
mutual respect for each other and which enriched each other's lives. When animals are sick and ask you for help, help them out. It's when the wild
animal becomes dependent on you and starts to lose their hunting and survival instinct that is harmful to both you and the animal. I try to leave
some water in parched, high-temperature areas where I camp - who knows what will sip from it - but I like to think that I made some animal's day.
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Bajatravelergeorge:
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I'm sure you are aware that the cougar attack happened up in your neck of the woods. So if you get some free time, do me a favor and do a little
hiking up there. While your at it, since Shamu and Dumbo need a little more room to roam undisturbed by humans, please make a donation to your local
abortion clinic so we can kill a few more unborn babies. Better to kill humans than to crowd in on the wildlife.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money because we enjoyed having the dog
Wow! You're more concerned about dollars than the dog! It's clear from your post. So I get that your sofa is no better than your pet dog. That sofa
gives comfort too, right? Too bad that Coyote didnt kill your sofa too. It and the dog is only money after all!
You can blame it on the tree huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures
Yeah Baby.....let go kill all them whales of the Seas. The Elephants too. What good are these animals anyhow...they just eat and dont do me a damn bit
of good. In fact....lets just rid the forests.....dusty over growth land that is worthless to folks like you and me. Burn it down Baby, burn!
How tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked
Humans attack joggers too. Lets kill em all. Oh....I read somewhere where hiking is to enjoy the great outdoor life. Why hike? Thanks to guys like
you...you are killing off everything without regard....since you ain't a tree hugger.
Too bad for your dog. I love dogs. I wont be dumb enough to leave my dog out in the yard where I knew there was coyotes roaming around.
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Dude, after 30-some years of traveling to Baja I am still in awe when I see these beautiful creatures roaming around. Yep, I even stop and take
pictures of coyotes. We are infringing on their turf, we are just guests in their Baja. You say shoot the ba$tards? Shoot yourself for allowing your
pets to roam freely in coyote territory. Pendejo, you are just a chit-disturber.
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shari
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thanks for the book suggestion Wilderone...sounds like a wonderful read. I have lived in the wilds and learned to live with the cougar &
bear...leaned to respect their territory and share it.
Coyote ugly is not around but I heard he was living in a rock hollow at the beach by the boat launch...probably comes and cleans up the fish scraps
from our cleaning station.....we have no homeless in Asuncion!
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