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monoloco
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It wouldn't work, people would be setting up bath tub cocaine labs everywhere. Better to just legalize cocaine so users could access pharmaceutical
quality drugs so they aren't poisoned by harmful substances like the gasoline and diesel fuel used in the clandestine process. Same thing for heroin,
heroin addicts can live a fairly normal existence if they don't have their lives consumed by the constant need to acquire illicit drugs on the street
and their health damaged by the chemicals and impurities in them. If someone wants to waste their life as a drug addict, they should be able to do it
without breaking into my house to support their habit. We would still have wastrels but the legalization of all drugs would put an end to the cartels.
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Cardon Man
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You are correct Monoloco. However, the prison industrial complex along with the police are BIG business in the USA. They need bodies to fill cells
and illegal drugs are an ideal means to accomplish that.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
We would still have wastrels but the legalization of all drugs would put an end to the cartels. |
Or not. Their focus would just change from drug smuggleing to competitive marketing. Sell for less at a higher volume.
If anyone wants to eliminate the competition, they'll have to give their product away....free. Nobody can compete against free.
Lower labor costs have already been attended to so it won't be a factor in the future. It's already an offshore venture.
Clandestine manufacturing and distribution would bypass the need to pay taxes. The government wouldn't want that.
So...we're right back where we started. Fighting and dying to control the border, no longer from drug smugglers, but from illegal importers of legal
products which once into the system are indistinguishable from all others.
Same can...different worms.
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[Edited on 1-15-2011 by DENNIS]
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Hey, while we are legalizing drugs, lets legalize homicide.....just to make things easier
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Hey, while we are legalizing drugs, lets legalize homicide.....just to make things easier |
Maybe it should be taxed. 
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Naw... all ya have to do... raise the price of ammo... to like 200 dollars a round...
aahhhhh lets' see who has enough to fill a 31 round clip... and blast away
ya know ... treat it like razor blades used to be.. the holder is free the blades.. well that's an add on...
might have some impact.. might want some stock in reloader's...
and all the money spent on drugs, could then be spent on ammo ... for what ... the drugs at free..
Three causes of murder in the States by the CDC, passion, mental illness and lastly drugs... we could get rid of one...
Good luck with the other two...
[Edited on 1-15-2011 by wessongroup]
[Edited on 1-15-2011 by wessongroup]
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Cardon Man
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Naw... all ya have to do... raise the price of ammo... to like 200 dollars a round...
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There's a great bit by comedian Chris Rock that plays on that same idea!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Naw... all ya have to do... raise the price of ammo... to like 200 dollars a round...
[Edited on 1-15-2011 by wessongroup] |
And then only the narcos have enough funds for ammo.
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
It wouldn't work, people would be setting up bath tub cocaine labs everywhere. Better to just legalize cocaine so users could access pharmaceutical
quality drugs so they aren't poisoned by harmful substances like the gasoline and diesel fuel used in the clandestine process. Same thing for heroin,
heroin addicts can live a fairly normal existence if they don't have their lives consumed by the constant need to acquire illicit drugs on the street
and their health damaged by the chemicals and impurities in them. If someone wants to waste their life as a drug addict, they should be able to do it
without breaking into my house to support their habit. We would still have wastrels but the legalization of all drugs would put an end to the cartels.
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Putting an end to cartels and their financing is apealing to everyone, but what about the basic human right to self determination? What place does the
government have telling anyone what to put in their body? I love conservatives that make ludicrous comparisons to homicide. If you dont harm others
what you do with your life is your own damned business!
Personally, I think its foolish and a waste of the quality of your life. But who the hell am I to impose my morality on another adult? If you truly
believe in the inailienable right to the pursuit of hapiness, you must allow others to pursue it in ways you may not agree with. The caveat? DON'T
HARM OTHERS!!
Fly low, land on roads.
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mcfez
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You are kidding, right? Here we go again!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cap
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
It wouldn't work, people would be setting up bath tub cocaine labs everywhere. Better to just legalize cocaine so users could access pharmaceutical
quality drugs so they aren't poisoned by harmful substances like the gasoline and diesel fuel used in the clandestine process. Same thing for heroin,
heroin addicts can live a fairly normal existence if they don't have their lives consumed by the constant need to acquire illicit drugs on the street
and their health damaged by the chemicals and impurities in them. If someone wants to waste their life as a drug addict, they should be able to do it
without breaking into my house to support their habit. We would still have wastrels but the legalization of all drugs would put an end to the cartels.
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Putting an end to cartels and their financing is apealing to everyone, but what about the basic human right to self determination? What place does the
government have telling anyone what to put in their body? I love conservatives that make ludicrous comparisons to homicide. If you dont harm others
what you do with your life is your own damned business!
Personally, I think its foolish and a waste of the quality of your life. But who the hell am I to impose my morality on another adult? If you truly
believe in the inailienable right to the pursuit of hapiness, you must allow others to pursue it in ways you may not agree with. The caveat? DON'T
HARM OTHERS!! |
Being a previous Nightclub owner (four) in Sacramento and San Francisco in the 80's and early 90's........
I was in the "mix" of these sort of folks, these "right to the pursuit of happiness" sort of sub human freaks. Stoned each day on crank (speed) and
stoned on the glass devil (cola rock). Not 100% of the drug users use every day.....in the beginning that is.
Now...a 16th (a bag of dope weighing 1.5 grams) sold for $90. A bag would last two days or less.....smoking the stuff.
There are 30 days in a month. Doing the math....15 bags x $90.00 comes out to $1350.00
I do know about the standard wages of working men and women. I'm a employer. Someone working at a Department store makes around $2000 per month. A
city worker...$2 to 3000. Mechanics and landscapers.....well....you get the point of these wages not being in the class of "The Rich and Famous".
Rent: 1100
Food: 300
Transportation: 350
Whatever: 300
Total: $2050.00 San Francisco wages in 1980's
"Wow'....I'm short on money to buy my dope Dude"!
Let's go rob McFezzie's house....better yet...lets go rob the Club! And if not him.....lets go after who ever.
Yes Cap.....dope don't hurt the ones like me that follows the rules of society. HELLO? HELLO? ANYONE HOME AT Caps brain?
Rules of society is aka "Laws" of the land. Made by popular vote. These dope laws were made to protect me from being
Robbed
Harmed by guys up for five days without sleep.
Raping others since their sex drives are in overload mod.
Embezzlement of property and banking systems.
Bla bla and more bla.
Legalizing the drug? The use of alcohol is a great fine example of the harms society suffers from. Alcohol is a classified drug BTW.
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"What place does the government have telling anyone what to put in their body"?
The place to protect my kids, wife, family and me from freaking drub abusers.
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I been working in that world for 20 years.....I know what the hell I am talking about. You dont.
[Edited on 1-19-2011 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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I been working in that world for 20 years.....I know what the hell I am talking about. You dont.
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Well, I'm glad we got that straight!
You're missing the point, but as you say, here we go again.
Driving cars leads to deadly accidents with innocent victims, should we make cars illegal ? Of course not because all cars don't get in accidents,
just like not all people who have ever used drugs robbed houses to get more drugs.
Think how effective the police would be at stopping actual crime like what you described if they were not so busy busting small time possession.
You can't bust people for crimes they might commit.
Legal drugs would be cheap too so why risk jail to Rob someone of you can grow your own? The biggest difference between our outlooks on this one is
that I'm not willing to throw away peoples civil rights for a false sense of security.
Fly low, land on roads.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Naw... all ya have to do... raise the price of ammo... to like 200 dollars a round...
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There's a great bit by comedian Chris Rock that plays on that same idea! |
that's where I got it....
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mcfez
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You are still in the blind
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cap
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I been working in that world for 20 years.....I know what the hell I am talking about. You dont.
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Well, I'm glad we got that straight!
You're missing the point, but as you say, here we go again.
Driving cars leads to deadly accidents with innocent victims, should we make cars illegal ? Of course not because all cars don't get in accidents,
just like not all people who have ever used drugs robbed houses to get more drugs.
Think how effective the police would be at stopping actual crime like what you described if they were not so busy busting small time possession.
You can't bust people for crimes they might commit.
Legal drugs would be cheap too so why risk jail to Rob someone of you can grow your own? The biggest difference between our outlooks on this one is
that I'm not willing to throw away peoples civil rights for a false sense of security. |
Oh...lets put you kids in that doped up dude's car and have him drive them to Disneyland. That's okay with you. Why hell...he only used a little
amount! I seriously doubt you would allow Tom, Dick, and Jane into his car. Yes? No?
"peoples civil rights" and you are so blind to your surrounding environment.
Automobile speed limits
Seat belt requirements
Motorcycle helmet laws
Drinking in public laws
Loitering laws
Taking off your shoes and getting a body scan for a flight!
I can list 1000's of restrictive laws!!!
Learn up the issues before you mouth off non sense statements.
If you wish to debate me on this subject....open up a Off Topic post and I'll lash you with your own misguided words.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cap
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
It wouldn't work, people would be setting up bath tub cocaine labs everywhere. Better to just legalize cocaine so users could access pharmaceutical
quality drugs so they aren't poisoned by harmful substances like the gasoline and diesel fuel used in the clandestine process. Same thing for heroin,
heroin addicts can live a fairly normal existence if they don't have their lives consumed by the constant need to acquire illicit drugs on the street
and their health damaged by the chemicals and impurities in them. If someone wants to waste their life as a drug addict, they should be able to do it
without breaking into my house to support their habit. We would still have wastrels but the legalization of all drugs would put an end to the cartels.
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Legalizing the drug? The use of alcohol is a great fine example of the harms society suffers from. Alcohol is a classified drug BTW.
[Edited on 1-19-2011 by mcfez] |
We tried criminalizing alcohol and that didn't work out any better than the
prohibition against drugs is currently working. It just created a lot of criminals. |
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Cap
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No thanks on the lashing...
Besides, I don't want to make you late for the thought police meeting. There might be someone thinking of committing a crime near by.
Fly low, land on roads.
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DENNIS
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Ok....I'm once again confused. Who's talking to whom up there? 
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Martyman
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I'm glad I'm not the only nut job in this forum 
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To say that sending dollars to sicarios jefes y halcones in Mexico is "OK" because the "Drugs Don't Hurt Anybody" is like sending envelopes of money
to Al Qaeda under the guise of "Religous Freedom".
Funny thing, I don't infringe on the rights of dopers or cartel operatives (while I'm in Mexico) but they sure step all over my rights.
"It Is My RIGHT to F--- You Up"
Somebody needs medication for active psychosis and it sure as hell isn't me.
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200 Bucks a Round ?
GREAT IDEA.
I could make a fortune. Forget the Restored '65 Mustang I want. We're talking Ferrari and Pantera range.
Not the top models, of course, but at least a Dino 308.
Assuming I could unload the stuff without being nailed.
Wouldn't work, of course. That kind of pricing would make the Black-Market Thrive.
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
To say that sending dollars to sicarios jefes y halcones in Mexico is "OK" because the "Drugs Don't Hurt Anybody" is like sending envelopes of money
to Al Qaeda under the guise of "Religous Freedom".
Funny thing, I don't infringe on the rights of dopers or cartel operatives (while I'm in Mexico) but they sure step all over my rights.
"It Is My RIGHT to F--- You Up"
Somebody needs medication for active psychosis and it sure as hell isn't me. |
I agree that sending money to drug cartels is a bad thing (read the whole thread ). If you legalize these drugs, we would instantly put traffickers
out of business. Afterall, how many bootlegging operations survived the repeal of prohibition. It would also have the added benefit of keeping the
government out of our business. You can't legislate common sense. If an adult wants to poison themself, that's their right. The second they harm
someone else they give up their own rights, and we should $h17 hammer them.
Now before you respond, please stop a minute and think. Alchoholism has been on the decline since prohibition. Gangsters were shooting up the streets
over turf to sell whiskey. See any parallels ?
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