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osoflojo
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WODD, well said........and I bet you did not pay $8 for the Pacifico or $10 for each taco...........as some Cabo haters love to advertise...
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pponcy11
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Okay so somebody has to say it here, although I am sure its been said before. In 1960 even L.A., San Diego, San Francisco, Dallas, Phoenix, Denver,
Las Vegas, Palm Springs, Oregon, Washington and every town or community in the US and Canada looked drastically different than it does today!!!! I
used to love the orange groves that filled the land between Los Angeles and Palm Springs. Now, not so much
I loved Baja and Cabo San Lucas then  and I love them
still. I know some if not most of you have been around Baja before there was sand ; and I can tell you all love to reminisce, but do you have to always bash, bitc## and moan when you are doing it?
I don't think any of us really love progress. Especially the kind that destroys the wild beauty we find in nature anywhere! As for me I try to
remember that just as age has changed my appearance, it has the same impact on the local geography everwhere. So maybe for kicks you can compare the
changes you have gone through in the last 10, 20, 30, 40 years to the changes in Baja and Cabo San Lucas have gone through in the same time span.
Nobody stays young forever, whether its people or communities. Some just age better than others! But they all still have the same soul 
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mcfez
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Hell.....I rather just go to San Francisco for all that glitter of a town. No need to visit the Cape.
We haven't been there for ten years. It's over built for my blood. I dont want McDonalds, bright lights at night, crowds from cruise lines, high
price restaurants that aint worth the walk to get to, and traffic.
Same thing happened in Cozumel, Playa del Carmen, Tulume, and other Yucatan Peninsula towns....er.... cities!
Sorry folks....I just dont see Cabos being a idea vacation site.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by racheldarlin
Just wait until Hwy 5 is done. The east Baja coast will start to look like the west Baja coast.
I have said it before elsewhere in this forum -we are ALL loving Baja to death. |
So true! So true.
Hwy 5 is slated to open up the country side, in a big way. it'll become the main trucking route (again).
But I'll be brain dead or just plain ol'dead before the area gets to be Caboland.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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4x4abc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If you like someplace... and go there because you like it that way... WHY do they CHANGE it to look like the place you left??? |
David,
as usual, you are spot on!
The same people that helped paving Los Cabos are now bickering about a little pit for a gold mine.
Development has destroyed a thousand times more virgin desert habitat (including outrageous pollution) than that little mining operation ever will.
Fighting a mine as escape goat?
Now that we have destroyed so much, lets save a few trees in the mountains?
Harald Pietschmann
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osoflojo
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PPONCY11............Thanks for that..............
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pponcy11
Okay so somebody has to say it here, although I am sure its been said before. In 1960 even L.A., San Diego, San Francisco, Dallas, Phoenix, Denver,
Las Vegas, Palm Springs, Oregon, Washington and every town or community in the US and Canada looked drastically different than it does today!!!! I
used to love the orange groves that filled the land between Los Angeles and Palm Springs. Now, not so much
I loved Baja and Cabo San Lucas then and I love them
still. I know some if not most of you have been around Baja before there was sand; and I can tell you all love to reminisce, but do you have to always bash, bitc## and moan when you are doing it?
I don't think any of us really love progress. Especially the kind that destroys the wild beauty we find in nature anywhere! As for me I try to
remember that just as age has changed my appearance, it has the same impact on the local geography everwhere. So maybe for kicks you can compare the
changes you have gone through in the last 10, 20, 30, 40 years to the changes in Baja and Cabo San Lucas have gone through in the same time span.
Nobody stays young forever, whether its people or communities. Some just age better than others! But they all still have the same soul |
Welcome---that was VERY well said! 
We just got back from a trip where we took photos of John's childhood home in Oxnard---when Oxnard was a city of 5000 and the small post WWII housing
tract was surrounded by open fields, farms and not massive shopping areas----yea, he liked it better back when, but that little house still has a part
of his soul.
And we are now watching accelerated change come to our Baja home with the paving of the road----and while some of it may be positive, there are some
outside influences arriving that are not so good and attracting more negative influences, but we think in the long run, most of the authentic parts
of town will retain its soul.
[Edited on 1-21-2011 by DianaT]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 4x4abc
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If you like someplace... and go there because you like it that way... WHY do they CHANGE it to look like the place you left??? |
David,
as usual, you are spot on!
The same people that helped paving Los Cabos are now bickering about a little pit for a gold mine.
Development has destroyed a thousand times more virgin desert habitat (including outrageous pollution) than that little mining operation ever will.
Fighting a mine as escape goat?
Now that we have destroyed so much, lets save a few trees in the mountains? |
Right on... and from someone there, too!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by 4x4abc
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If you like someplace... and go there because you like it that way... WHY do they CHANGE it to look like the place you left??? |
David,
as usual, you are spot on!
The same people that helped paving Los Cabos are now bickering about a little pit for a gold mine.
Development has destroyed a thousand times more virgin desert habitat (including outrageous pollution) than that little mining operation ever will.
Fighting a mine as escape goat?
Now that we have destroyed so much, lets save a few trees in the mountains? |
Right on... and from someone there, too! |
I am confused and cannot follow the "logic" here. OK, since the growth and development of Cabo destroyed the natural habitat, as does ALL growth and
development, it is now OK to create a mine that very likely will cause major pollution---shoot, why not, it is not the Cabo of the past.
Now San Diego certainly is not the quaint small town it used to be. Lots and lots of natural habitat has been destroyed as San Diego has grown and
developed. So I guess it would be OK to abandon let's say, Balboa Park and put in a major Oil refinery complex---why not, it is not the San Diego of
the past.
It is nice to see the people who have adopted Cabo as their home love it and know where to seek its soul that pponcy11 talked about. That is a good
thing.
And we will all continue to have the I remember when syndrome.
[Edited on 1-21-2011 by DianaT]
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4x4abc
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Diana,
I just wanted to point out the position we are in (yes i have built in the region as well): now that have have created our little paradise by
destroying what was here before, we are against new development (houses, commercials etc) or industrial development (gold mines etc).
Like I have posted before - and environmentalist is someone who built last year.
Also, I am all for fighting/regulating the negative aspects of the recent growth (did anyone look at the air pollution created by the explosion of car
sales? worse than Los Angles in the 80's!). But what I don't like is to simply fight something because it feels bad. I have spent days looking into
all the documents related to that new proposed gold mine (because you can only take a stand when you are up to speed - and not just repeat what
someone else told you). What I found is that the groups fighting against it blatantly misrepresent or outright lie about what is supposed to happen at
that mining site.
But I understand, lying helps a lot since all believers will repeat it. It killed the innocent salina development in San Ignacio years ago.
But we need not believe (reserve that for your religion) - we need to know. Knowledge rules! But it involves hours and hours of painful reading (the
stuff is complicated).
By the way, with our over the top lifestyles we all create a high demand for rare metals. Our computers, TV, stereo, iPhone, jewelry etc etc.
Got any gold jewelry, Diana?
I know - just dig up that gold somewhere else - not in my neighborhood. Right!
Harald Pietschmann
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BajaRob
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We are leaving BSM for Cabo today. Been going there since the 60s and continue to accept it as it is. Wouldn't want to live there but enjoy the
visits. Will be on Divorce Beach in 2 days.
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David K
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Have fun Rob and Connie... Resist the time share husslers!
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Trueheart
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Also, how does something here (or in a guidebook) take away any wonder of discovery? Isn't going there in person so much better than what you read or
see a photo of? I don't know about you, but I can go to the same place in Baja and see new things and make new discoveries, each time.
"Each time" ... YES! In my limited experiences, this is exactly what I have found also. Always something new and enlightening. Love it. Steve
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DavidE
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If you wish "al brillo de oro" head for Las Vegas!
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