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Bajamick
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Amazing murder statistics
Here is a set of statistics that I gleaned from my home page, the BBC World News, two days ago on January 24th. Very interesting for those that
believe Baja is a dangerous place, or even most of Mexico compared to say New York City. (Please note that stats are for NY CITY, not New York State).
Also look at the murders in California, and LA itself, and I would suggest that Mexico, but especially BCS rates as a very safe place to live, as I
do, or to visit.
Listed below are the names of all Mexican States in order of lowest to highest murders that are drug related from 2009 to 2010. A two year period.
These figures according to the BBC, are official Mexican Government figures.
Note, Baja California Sur ranks equal third with Compeche for the LEAST deaths.
State... Number of Murders
Yucatan 2
Tlaxcala 4
Baja California Sur 10
Campeche 10
Queretaro 13
Zacatecas 37
Aguascalientes 46
Puebla 51
Hidalgo 52
Quintana Roo 64
Tabasco 73
Chiapas 77
San Luis Potosi 135
Guanajuato 152
Oaxaca 167
Vera Cruz 179
Distrito Federal 191
Morelos 335
Nayarit 377
Coahuila 384
Sonora 495
Michoacan 520
Baja California Norte 540
Jalisco 593
Nuevo Leon 620
Mexico State 623
Durango 834
Guerrero 1137
Tamaulipas 1209
Sinaloa 1815
Chihuahua 4427
Total drug related deaths 2009/2010 15,172
NOW, compare those figures taken over TWO years with New York CITY alone in just ONE year, 2010. 532 murders (all kinds, not just drug related
admittedly). That figure of 532 is UP 13% on 2009, yet is the 4th lowest number of murders per year in NYC since records began in 1962. Amazing!!
The state of California. In 2009, again just ONE year, there were 1,972 murders. Now that is almost the same as Sinaloa in TWO years. Yet Mexico is a
dangerous place. Amazing!!
Los Angeles City. In just the first quarter of 2010 (the latest figures I could find) there were 70 murders. Now that’s just in the city area.
Extrapolate that to two years, and one gets an average of 560 murders in just LA city area. That is virtually the same as Baja California Norte in its
entire length at 540. Amazing!!
Amazing!! Amazing how people, especially the US media and government state that Mexico is a dangerous place to visit, to live, to play.
For those of us that know and love Baja in particular, and Mexico in general, I think we should spread the word with these figures, because we know
the truth!!
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And the marine creatures, my playmates!!
Honi soit qui mal y pense!!
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wilderone
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amazing how people don't think for themselves and embrace cold statistics to dictate their choices. the comparisons are feckless numbers. what I
would glean from the above numbers is that if I were a drug dealer, my days might be numbered if I decided to run my business out of Chihuahua. has
little relevance to a tourist on vacation, either in NYC, LA or Baja CA.
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David K
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This type of slanted news reporting (by the U.S. media) is much like the news the Soviet Union fed its people... Bad things only happen in OTHER
countries, so the pressure on the dictatorship is reduced.
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bajaguy
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If you want to reduce those numbers, check on the US State Department's web site for AMERICANS killed in Mexico/Baja.
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LancairDriver
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Thanks for the info Bajamick! Great job of data mining. This is the kind of information that hopefully could help turn things around for Baja visitors
attitude on traveling there.
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David K
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... and even better, Americans on vacation... Not some American citizens in the drug business in Mexico...
Many 'American's reported killed by our media have latino names and were nowhere near a tourist location!
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Bajamick
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
amazing how people don't think for themselves and embrace cold statistics to dictate their choices. the comparisons are feckless numbers. what I
would glean from the above numbers is that if I were a drug dealer, my days might be numbered if I decided to run my business out of Chihuahua. has
little relevance to a tourist on vacation, either in NYC, LA or Baja CA. |
"Amazing" to use an oft used expression, how some people misunderstand the intention of the stat's as I posted them. The intention was and is simply,
to show that Mexico in general, and BCS in particular, are safe places to live, visit and play.
Of course any stat's can be taken out of context, read and used as a person views them, but as both Bajaguy and David K supported, it is not tourists
that are in any more danger here than elsewhere.
It is the US media that is crippling Mexico, and again Baja in particular because, as you correctly stated, there is little relevence to a tourist
here on vacation as opposed to vacationing in NYC, LA or indeed anywhere in California. So I wonder why the media and the US State Department feel the
need to issue warnings etc for Mexico. They should by numbers, equally state those same warnings for NYC, LA and California.
All I am trying to say is that Mexico is a safe place to live, visit and/or play in. So yes, I did think for myself there, and yes, I do think that
life here in Baja is wonderful, one might even say, "amazing."
BTW, you are most probably correct. It is, I am sure, a good thing that you are not a drug dealer trying your luck in Chihuahua!!
The Ocean is my playground,
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Dave
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Huh?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamick
The state of California. In 2009, again just ONE year, there were 1,972 murders. Now that is almost the same as Sinaloa in TWO years. Yet Mexico is a
dangerous place. Amazing!!
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The population of California is 20 times that of Sinaloa. 
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Bajamick
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamick
The state of California. In 2009, again just ONE year, there were 1,972 murders. Now that is almost the same as Sinaloa in TWO years. Yet Mexico is a
dangerous place. Amazing!!
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The population of California is 20 times that of Sinaloa.
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Dave, I would not argue or disagree with you there, but I was speaking about drug related murders in Mexico, and of shall I say "general" murders in
California. Just making flexible comparisons. I was simply trying to say that for tourists, be that Americans, Canadians or Europeans, Mexico is as
safe as elsewhere.
The Ocean is my playground,
And the marine creatures, my playmates!!
Honi soit qui mal y pense!!
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mcfez
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Bajamick .....you are correct. Mexico is just as safe as most countries. Damn near every story of these deaths are all about the
cartels......fighting within, at each other, against the Govt declared war. I dont see much news from Mexico about everyday crime waves otherwise. In
fact, the news of Mexico in general is bout the same as it is in the USA, Germany, or say Belize.
We had a "cartel" war years ago in California. it was to break up the gangs of east Los Angeles. Many deaths. Same for Oakland.
And someone here at BN said we should legalize the use of drugs 
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Cypress
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Not all drugs, just pot.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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As a resident I can tell you that crime in general tracks the murder rate Where there is smoke there is fire so to speak. Where there is a lot of
violence the cops are involved (local PD). Where there is a lot of violence the violence includes the cops and being underpaid they are afraid to
patrol, at all. A single cop spots three men walking, holding automatic weapons: What do you think his response is going to be...
a) stop and arrest them after a vigorous balacera
b) radio it in and prepare an ambush
c) what people? where? do you know how vulnerable I am?
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Not all drugs, just pot. |
Medical user, yes? 
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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krafty
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Seems to me the stat for northern Baja is kinda high
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The major difference I believe is when in the US and call the police Americans believe they are going to get help and have a corruption free
policeman> I am not sure they feel that way in Mexico.
Prices in San Felipe are not much cheaper than many areas in the US. Border waits make trips a real hassle. Not speaking the language is a further
problem.
I live in Alaska so am really put off by long lines and waits.
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamick
I was simply trying to say that for tourists, be that Americans, Canadians or Europeans, Mexico is as safe as elsewhere. |
Elsewhere, where?
America, Canada and Central Europe have murder rates of 5, 1.8 and 1.5, respectively.
In Mexico it's 15.
Look, I never obsess about safety in Mexico, rarely give it a second thought. However, to claim that Mexico is as safe as elsewhere is
misleading...and wrong.
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bajatravelergeorge
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Take out the drug on drug murders and you end up with a rate well below that of America.
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sanquintinsince73
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People who "don't know" sit back in their armchairs and say "f*** Mexico,I'm not going there". Let them stay home in Kansas or Minnesota or anywhere
in between, we don't need anymore greenhorns mucking up our landscape. Those of us in the "know" who truly love and respect Baja and it's people will
continue to enjoy our paradise.
When I lived in Baja full-time I knew some people who disappeared and later re-appeared lifeless, but these people were running with the cartels. For
the most part, Americans aren't the target of cartels.
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These stats compare apples and oranges. To compare Sinaloa to California, New York or Los Angeles without taking into account population is
meaningless.
Murder rate takes into account population and is therefore useful data.
Mas Pacifico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamick
I was simply trying to say that for tourists, be that Americans, Canadians or Europeans, Mexico is as safe as elsewhere. |
Elsewhere, where?
America, Canada and Central Europe have murder rates of 5, 1.8 and 1.5, respectively.
In Mexico it's 15.
Look, I never obsess about safety in Mexico, rarely give it a second thought. However, to claim that Mexico is as safe as elsewhere is
misleading...and wrong. |
That's an interesting statistic in that the chances of being murdered in the US is
3 times greater than being murdered in Central Europe. I guess that should give Europeans about as much concern in considering a visit to the US, as
it does US residents about visiting Mexico, with 3 times the murder rate as the US. If I was a European, I might want to go to Spain instead.
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