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Cypress
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Not all drugs, just pot. |
Medical user, yes?  |
Of course.
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4x4abc
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Dave,
3 million Americans visit Mexico each year - 1 million live there permanently
if your murder rate of 15 was correct, 600 Americans would have been killed in Mexico - it would have been on TV
fact is that 59 Americans lost their lives to violence in Mexico (2007 numbers)
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
Take out the drug on drug murders and you end up with a rate well below that of America. |
And what if you took out the drug/gang murders in America? 
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Dave
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Apples to oranges
| Quote: | Originally posted by 4x4abc
if your murder rate of 15 was correct, 600 Americans would have been killed in Mexico - it would have been on TV
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You really expect murder rates to equally apply to tourists...those who spend a fraction of the year in country?
And Expats? How many live in the Barrio?
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bajatravelergeorge
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
Take out the drug on drug murders and you end up with a rate well below that of America. |
And what if you took out the drug/gang murders in America?
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Don't know, but it would be an interesting study. I work and don't have the time to compile the data. Maybe you could do it, or someone with alot of
extra time.
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4x4abc
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well Dave, then lets exclude the tourists all together
59 violent crimes resulting in death on 1 million Americans living in Mexico = 5.9/100,000
compare that yourself to the US rates:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-...
how about a vacation in Louisiana? 11.8/100,000 !
[Edited on 1-26-2011 by 4x4abc]
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamick
I was simply trying to say that for tourists, be that Americans, Canadians or Europeans, Mexico is as safe as elsewhere. |
Elsewhere, where?
America, Canada and Central Europe have murder rates of 5, 1.8 and 1.5, respectively.
In Mexico it's 15.
Look, I never obsess about safety in Mexico, rarely give it a second thought. However, to claim that Mexico is as safe as elsewhere is
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That's an interesting statistic in that the chances of being murdered in the US is
3 times greater than being murdered in Central Europe. I guess that should give Europeans about as much concern in considering a visit to the US, as
it does US residents about visiting Mexico, with 3 times the murder rate as the US. If I was a European, I might want to go to Spain instead.
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I'm really not looking to start a debate over guns. But, with respect to your comparison between Europe and the US, there is one glaring difference
between the two. The prolifieration, or lack thereof of guns. Just makes sense to me that overall, a society that has far fewer guns floating around
is going to have fewer murders. There's just no easier and efficient way to kill folks than with a gun.
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Dave
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Rightbackatcha
| Quote: | Originally posted by 4x4abc
how about a vacation in Louisiana? 11.8/100,000 !
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How about a vacation in Juarez? 133/100,000
You can manipulate statistics to say almost anything.
However, and on average, the U.S. is safer than Mexico. Just as Canada is safer than both.
Personally, I could care less.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
People who "don't know" sit back in their armchairs and say "f*** Mexico,I'm not going there". Let them stay home in Kansas or Minnesota or anywhere
in between, we don't need anymore greenhorns mucking up our landscape. Those of us in the "know" who truly love and respect Baja and it's people will
continue to enjoy our paradise.
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 I couldn't agree more!
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captkw
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wow!! I will put my head on the chopping block,cause I know I have more mile's than both of you compined...ya IM arrougt,have you drove to panama and
back,alaska &back 9 time's , 31 winter's in baja,ran boat's to every island you find in a normal feul cell,,,,,but sit there(cause you dont seem
imformed) and say the us is safer than mex..!!! get your channel cker ohh , you never sat it down did ya????its still in your hand....mex is
much safer than the usa,,,,and that's a simple fact of life.....bye the way I won't argue with you ,as that would make two FOOL'S
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Feathers
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
People who "don't know" sit back in their armchairs and say "f*** Mexico,I'm not going there". Let them stay home in Kansas or Minnesota or anywhere
in between, we don't need anymore greenhorns mucking up our landscape. Those of us in the "know" who truly love and respect Baja and it's people will
continue to enjoy our paradise.
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I couldn't agree more! |
What year are you talking about- 1980? Nomads know the beauty of Baja has been under attack the past few decades- resorts that strip the beauty of
the beach, golf courses only a millionaire can live near and play, coastal encroachment, unfinished condo towers and worse. Trust me- you don' t need
to worry about greenhorns mucking things up worse than the Mexican government has allowed to happen.
The mortgage meltdowns was a turning point for Baja real estate. The days of second homes in Baja paid for with easy cash-out refi's are gone and not
coming back. Even without the security problems Baja isn't financially attractive to retirees unless you live in trailer on rice, beans and
tortillas. Don't worry about chasing future crowds away- it's all yours.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Don't worry about chasing future crowds away- it's all yours. |
Promise???
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Don't worry about chasing future crowds away- it's all yours. |
Promise???
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Just you and your millions of abalone  I promise.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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4x4abc
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here are the most recent murder rates :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentiona...
see the Mexico subdivision close to the bottom of the page
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mcfez
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You all here sound like a bunch of McFezzies arguing here
[Edited on 1-27-2011 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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"And what if you took out the drug/gang murders in America?"
And what if you took out all the spousal/significant other murders?
What if you just took all murders perpetrated on a tourist?
And what if you took all murders of one country, without civil violence (genocide), excluded spouses, excluded drug deal-based deaths, excluded anyone
murdered under 12 years of age, included all unexplained disappearances, happening on Tuesdays, appearing on Nancy Grace, between the ages of 22 and
45, from North America, within 15 miles of any city with a population of over 100,000?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
the chances of being murdered in the US is 3 times greater than being murdered in Central Europe. I guess that should give Europeans about as much
concern in considering a visit to the US, as it does US residents about visiting Mexico, with 3 times the murder rate as the US. If I was a European,
I might want to go to Spain instead. |
What's a poor Spaniard to do?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barbarosa
What's a poor Spaniard to do? |
Drink???
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"And what if you took out the drug/gang murders in America?"
And what if you took out all the spousal/significant other murders?
What if you just took all murders perpetrated on a tourist?
And what if you took all murders of one country, without civil violence (genocide), excluded spouses, excluded drug deal-based deaths, excluded anyone
murdered under 12 years of age, included all unexplained disappearances, happening on Tuesdays, appearing on Nancy Grace, between the ages of 22 and
45, from North America, within 15 miles of any city with a population of over 100,000? |
Yea, you got it - that´s the number I´m looking for!
Personally, I´m with Dave on this one...
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This report may have the number you're looking for.... it's from the CDC, who have indicated in another report that of all murders in the United
States.. they fall into three categories: Passion, Mental health, and Drugs... respectively...
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf
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