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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
Ch**** tu Madre, Dennis.
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Now....there's that landfill language we all know and love. 
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The Gull
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Please feel free to use it on your next border crossing. Works wonders - better than an Idaho or Canuck license plate.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Still doesn't take away from the fact that I think close to half are a**holes.
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Close to 1/2, how close? 44.67% or are you rounding off? Are you sure it is 1/2 or could it be only the ones you encounter? Could be else that
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Exactly 49.9%, Gull. And that is a qualified answer. I am a Nomad.  ...and Yes! "else" is factored in. 
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Spearo
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I understand the banter from customs designed to get folks to twitch. I am used to getting profiled, I have long hair and have never NOT gone to
secondary. This guy was dripping with animosity. My post was intended to get a feeling for how common this attitude is among CBP. Sounds like
people have had a wide variety of experiences.
My Mexican friends are not fairing well with the huge drop in tourism. A friend of mine in Mulege that runs a shop told me that all the playas were
basically empty for seven months last year and this spring was pretty barren as well. I have seen a big uptick in the number of fishermen running
gill nets and illegally polespearing lobster and octopus. The undeserved bad publicity really bothers me and when officials spout crap like that at
the border its just too much.
An experience like this isn't going to affect my returning to Baja but how about the first-timer with kids and a reluctant spouse?
Were it not for the abdomen, man would easily reckon himself a god.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Exactly 49.9%, Gull. And that is a qualified answer. I am a Nomad. ...and Yes! "else" is factored in. |
Toneart, please forward your data and calculations via U2U. I want to look them over as to dates and times of the sampling you did.
If claiming your Nomad status is any indication of your accuracy, then you are 78.69% wrong, all the time.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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BajaBlanca
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I so agree with spearo that a first timer would certainly be spooked.
and worse is that the CBP opinion mentioned in the original conversation is not based on fact FOR BAJA.
I also thought that CBP stood for Calif. Border Patrol - so I just learned something new.
I have never gone to secondary - what do they do ? how is the inspection handled - do they open up every nook and cranny ??
[Edited on 4-18-2011 by BajaBlanca]
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I have never gone to secondary - what do they do ? how is the inspection handled - do they open up every nook and cranny ?? |
Yes, and it best to keep your nook covered and cranny held tight.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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vandenberg
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J.P.
Don't even know how to "ENGAGUE" 
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
J.P.
Don't even know how to "ENGAGUE" |
V,
I heard that CBP (US Customs and Border Patrol) teachs "how to engague" in secondary while inspecting your cranny and touching your nook.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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The Gull
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Yep, amazing
Been using Sentri for as long as the program has been offered, went to secondary once for an expiring window sticker and card.
Before Sentri, only went to secondary three times. Twice it was for suspicious looking cars (55 Chevy full of drunks, once and a mud covered 80's
sports car, once). Once was just random.
Each time the folks in secondary were polite, a little casual about the pace of letting me go on my way, but were able to conduct themselves like
professionals.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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LaloinBaja
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Have been across hundreds of times over the last 53 years...99% of the time...No Hassles...BUT we all get the bonehead once in awhile...Just have to
roll with it..I guess...I still spend 90% of my time in Baja...Like the T-shirt says..."I have friends in LOW places"...Pic of Baja....Always felt
more safe here below the border than in L.A. I never bring contraband back and NEVER try to carry on a conversation with the boys in blue...Lalo
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BajaBruno
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BajaGringo is correct that few CBP officers venture into Mexico, for the simple reason that they are told through official channels that being a US
federal law enforcement officer in Mexico is hazardous. They are told that if they do enter Mexico, to not take their federal credentials, for fear
of being kidnapped and tortured.
When I replied to the author of this federal memo that I often drive through Mexico and just as often show my LE credentials to the cops who stop me,
he thought I was insane. I got the impression he had never been to Mexico, had never spoken to a Mexican police officer, and was basing his
assessment on "common sense," which may be very common but isn't necessarily sensical.
CBP's lack of knowledge about Mexico may be baffling, but it is genuine, and fostered by silly rumors and inflammatory memos from ignorant officials.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by bajaeng
Cross 30-50 times per year. Only been to secondary four times in 40 years.
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that is an incredible rate. we've crossed about 50 times over the past 2 years, use a sentri pass, and have been sent to secondary 7 times for
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There are some nooks and crannys that CBP prefers to avoid inspecting (or God forbid touching) any more than absolutely necessary. My guess is that
they are flagged on the computers and automatically waved through...
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Spearo
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Secondary is not a big deal. They make you sit for an hour, run the dog around your rig and maybe make you open your cooler to make sure you're not
smuggling tamales (Never put the tamales in the cooler). I just sit in the cab and read a book. The biggest problem is this process takes a while
and they don't exactly have public restrooms available.
I have crossed the border over a dozen times and have always been sent to secondary. Before you ask, I have no criminal record though I do have a
concealed weapons permit (I'm not packing of course). I know the CWP shows up when they run the passport.
Were it not for the abdomen, man would easily reckon himself a god.
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The Gull
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Rosie the drug dog
Yes, Rosie did get to romp around my car 3 out of the four times.
Funny how someone "always" goes to secondary. I know people with CWP and they don't have that problem. They, too, don't carry in Baja. Hmmmmm
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windgrrl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I have never gone to secondary - what do they do ? how is the inspection handled - do they open up every nook and cranny ?? |
We went through Tecate last month. The staff were friendly, the dog sniffed our rig while we were waiting (about 2 min. wait). We were sent to
Secondary where another polite, friendly person asked if we had a dog (Yes) any Mexican dog food (no, we fed her the last serving about 1/2 hour
before). He checked our fridge and we were out of secondary in about 2 minutes. Another staff member gave us a big friendly wave on the way out. Total
time lapsed to cross - less than 10 min.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Spearo
My Mexican friends are not fairing well with the huge drop in tourism. A friend of mine in Mulege that runs a shop told me that all the playas were
basically empty for seven months last year and this spring was pretty barren as well. |
Yeah...the whole world is a tough place to be these days and without making lite of the dilema of Mexicans through this time, if, after things turn
around and they're all driving Escalades, you ask them how business is....all you'll get is a, "so so."
It's the nature of the beast.
Another thing.......you try in the future to break them of these bad habits they practice today in the name of survival and you'll have a tough time
of it. Sad, but true.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
There are some nooks and crannys that CBP prefers to avoid inspecting (or God forbid touching) any more than absolutely necessary. My guess is that
they are flagged on the computers and automatically waved through... |
...while there are some nice looking nooks and crannies that just beg to be inspected. Big nooks and tight crannies may be just too much of a
temptation to pass up for some of the most bored CBP.
I was with my US attorney once when were crossing with our families after a visit and his two big friendly dogs (Goldens) blasted their heads out the
back window and wanted to lick the CBP dude. The question came up about vaccinations and my buddy produced proper evidence. The guy continued to ask
lots of questions, holding up the line for way too long. My lawyer bud politely suggested that secondary was the proper place for all this BS and the
CBP dude immediately got a 'tude. A shouting match ensured. He told my buddy to drive out and walked the car over to secondary. That gave my buddy
the opportunity to speak with the supervisor about childish retaliation. We all got to sit around while he threatened lawsuits. The dogs were
impatient, we were amused and about 30 minutes later we were on your way north.
I avoid travelling across the border with him, ever since.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Exactly 49.9%, Gull. And that is a qualified answer. I am a Nomad. ...and Yes! "else" is factored in. |
Toneart, please forward your data and calculations via U2U. I want to look them over as to dates and times of the sampling you did.
If claiming your Nomad status is any indication of your accuracy, then you are 78.69% wrong, all the time. |
Gull,
With tongue in cheek, I have trouble walking through that U2U door. But, to be accurate, if being a Nomad makes me 78.69% (I say 78.68%) wrong, then I
am squarely in the 50% range of that population. These are my balanced Nomad credentials. 
Notice I didn't say "fair and balanced". That would be grossly unfair those who lack the intellect to follow my logic. Sudden thought: What
overwhelming percentage would they represent? 
Jeeze! The science of pedantics is very taxing on my patience. I am going fishing tomorrow. 
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
The science of pedantics is very taxing on my patience. |
Little more practice Tony.
You're getting pretty good at it.
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