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Skeet/Loreto
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Hey Fish!
As I have gone through Life and made my observations of People, I have found that many of the Criminals are non-Believers, many of the DOPERS are
non=Believers, many othose in our present Society that ride Motorcycles while NEKID are non -Believers.
It has seemed to me that a good many of those People who are HAPPY,
believe in a Supreme Being.
Some where down the Road of Life I think there is another Planet with Life.
Wonder how those Monkeys go to that other Planet????
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Great day today. First we hear from Comrade Goat and then we get to hear Skeet argue with himself.
John
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jbcoug:
Thanks! Glad to hear that we made your Day.
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Iflyfish
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Mulegena
Very interesting article. I was told not to eat yellow snow, guess I will need to be even more selective of the snow I eat.
Speaking of Snow Jobs, Skeet, where to start?!
I am shocked that you do not believe in the rapture! Shocked!! Do you believe it to be a fairy tale?
First of all, I am sure you have carefully read what I wrote and followed up with the links. I am pleased that you would of course show me that
courtesy. I am interested of course in what your take is on those links.
You seem to be changing the subject.
You wrote “Fish I will answer your question with first a Question:
Why is it that some members of the Human Species Advance in their Culture a lot more than others.???”
Depends upon what you think is advancement?! I think that culture is how humans adapt to the ENVIORNMENT THAT THEY ARE IN. We have evolved a culture
that has committed genocide on our own native peoples, polluted the environment, and engaged in “pre-emptive wars” that have for instance created
2,000,000 million innocent refugees in Iraq. Do I think this is a “more advanced” culture than the Maya or for that matter the natives who developed a
culture to survive in the Baja? Your question contains an ethnocentric arrogance that assumes you are a member of a “superior” culture and an even
more superior sub-culture of Rural Texan.
You wrote “I do not and I repeat, Do Not, believe that I was an Anemoba that washed up on the Shores !!!!! I never suggested YOU Personally were
washed up on shore as an amoeba. I won’t speak to your parentage, which would be rude. I maintain that the cells in your body have evolved over your
80 years losing tiny bits at the end of your genes that reproduce each cell in your body with a bit less quality each time your diminished cells
evolve. This process is called aging. Think Antioxidants Skeet, they are our friends.
“I belive in the Supreme Being” you write. Good for you, I am sure she is grateful for this, however it is irrelevant to this discussion. I brush
twice a day and think that has about the same relevance.
“I believe in Faith Hope and Charity” you pen. Again I don’t understand why you claiming virtue advances your argument though your acceptance of
Charity Bono is admirable.
You opine: “I believe that People who have something "Good" to Believe in have a much better life than the Non-Believers. I also don’t know how this
is relevant to our discussion, which if I recall was about evolution”. It is impossible to believe in nothing. Each time we sit down without looking
we believe that the chair will be there. We all have belief systems that we tend to gather evidence to prove. You’re grasping at straws and changing
the subject and assumption that atheists are not happy is just hokum, opinion not backed by a shred of evidence. One can be virtuous and not hold the
same belief system that you do. One can be part of a minority culture and be as happy or as successful as you in their context. One can have
diametrically opposed beliefs than you and be both happy and live constructive, positive lives. I fail to understand why one must NOT BELIEVE in
evolution to be virtuous, happy, productive and contributing members of our cultures and societies. I know how things change over time through a
process we call evolution and I am very happy with that. I will take informed knowledge over superstition every time.
You say “I do not look like a Monkey? I do Not Act like a Monkey! Gee, that is really funny. I don’t mean to insult but we humans have a remarkable
resemblance to our cousins the simians, had a banana lately. Have you ever watched monkeys engaged in procreative acts? Hmmm. Don’t look now but we
share 98% percent of our genes with the great apes. I know you will not do the research to verify this, but there you go!
You wrote “What difference does it make in What I might believe to anyone other than myself?? See the difficulty Skeet is that you have stated what
you believe in response to my post, thereby inviting me to respond to your assertions and attempted refutations of what I have posted. I personally
don’t care if you believe that the world was created in nine days by the spaghetti monster except when you take umbrage with statements about
evolution in response to Osprey’s post about the cooperative nature of the organisms he was observing in nature. When you posit belief as though it
had the same veracity as science then you have a debate on your hands and that is why I care to respond. In addition I am sick, bored and appreciate
the opportunity to fill my day with something other than reading or watching TV.
Thanks for weighing in Skeet, it’s been real.
Iflyfish
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MitchMan
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When I took embryology, a phrase that still rings in my head to this day is "ontogeny recapitulates philogeny". Also, if you know anything about
formal statistics and apply that to the aforementioned phrase, well, case closed.
Evolution and nature are incredibly complicated, a brilliant scenario, and reflects/represents entropy and probability. Man, anything that complex
that has lead to the human race and our universe and its natural laws is, itself, devine in every way.
BTW, caring for each other versus survival of the fittest is what separates humanity from the rest of the animal kingdom, and that alone is devine.
[Edited on 5-25-2011 by MitchMan]
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wessongroup
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"ontogeny recapitulates philogeny" and, i don't believe it's changed...
Thanks it's been a while...
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skeet, you believe in faith, hope, and charity-how about fate? Are we all born with a number that tells us when our days are numbered? How to explain
who gets off a plane at the last moment only to find out that the plane crashed-or a bad car crash that you walk away from? Just wondering.......
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| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
skeet, you believe in faith, hope, and charity-how about fate? Are we all born with a number that tells us when our days are numbered? How to explain
who gets off a plane at the last moment only to find out that the plane crashed-or a bad car crash that you walk away from? Just wondering.......
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Excellent question, Skeeter. Give us an answer, please.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
It is now apparent that Homo Sapiens mated with Neanderthals.
Iflyfish |
You mean because of that GEICO commercial? 
But seriously, I hadn't read that find. If you have the link handy I would be interested. Otherwise, I'll just do the search myself.
| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
BTW, caring for each other versus survival of the fittest is what separates humanity from the rest of the animal kingdom, and that alone is devine.
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You probably haven't heard of sociobiology. Basically it states that evolution supports altruistic acts because it's not about the survival of the
fittest individual, but the fittest gene pool. The world of social insects is full of such examples.
So love, devotion, sacrifice, heroism, patriotism. All that emotion we feel for those words. All of it boils down to a bunch of hominids on the
savannah trying to keep it's species from above water. Shakespeare only writes what every grunting hominid 5 million years ago already knew.
I agree, some things are better not understood.
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Osprey, see what you started?
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Haven't seen this one before.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Well, I will have to admit that I may have some problems answering all those Questions.
First: I donot believe in Fate.
We all make our on way. The Good Lord does as he sees Fit.
Remember Roswell, New Mexico??
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wessongroup
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"Osprey, see what you started?"
Osprey = thinking
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Iflyfish
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Here is your missing link Skip: Thanks for the pics. The women are a little hairy for my taste, but there you go!
Well said about cooperation, it did indeed get us out of the cave.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/may/07/mystery-solved-huma...
The powerful hormone Oxytocin creates feelings of bonding in mammals. Deprived of Oxytocin rats will not nurture their young. Oxytocin is released in
massive quantities in women during child birth and in both sexes during orgasm. This hormonal bath is part of the biology of bonding and cooperation.
As a species we are indeed wired for love, nurturing and affection.
It is amazing how we have evolved into such complex organisms and that indeed is miraculous and reassuring to me that we are part of such an amazing
progression of evolution. I am in awe and inspired as I think about the wonderful adaptations that our organism has made over the millennia. This is
for me reassuring about my place in the scheme of things.
On a metaphysical level I don’t know if or where I am going and I trust that where ever that is will work out just fine. I personally don’t need to
believe in fairy tales, I trust that nature will go its course without my having to fret one bit about it. As long as my membranes stay relatively
intact and my synapses keep firing in the patterns I have evolved then I will enjoy the time I have in this state of consciousness. Some might find
this last little bit reassuring, I do.
What a great group of online buddies to spit on the fire with.
Got to go take some cough medicine.
Iflyfish
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Remember Roswell, New Mexico?? |
no.
tell me what happened.
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mtgoat666
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skeet certainly has some neanderthal traits. skeet is just like his grandpa, fred flintstone!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
When I took embryology, a phrase that still rings in my head to this day is "ontogeny recapitulates philogeny". Also, if you know anything about
formal statistics and apply that to the aforementioned phrase, well, case closed.
Evolution and nature are incredibly complicated, a brilliant scenario, and reflects/represents entropy and probability. Man, anything that complex
that has lead to the human race and our universe and its natural laws is, itself, devine in every way.
BTW, caring for each other versus survival of the fittest is what separates humanity from the rest of the animal kingdom, and that alone is devine.
[Edited on 5-25-2011 by MitchMan] |
Try that edit button, again.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
When I took embryology, a phrase that still rings in my head to this day is "ontogeny recapitulates philogeny". |
That would mean that MaggotGoat666 went through a snake and burro phase in the egg form.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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There are anomalies. Sometimes the social order has mis steps.
This whole little village is being over-run with ants. Don’t know what kind they are but they are tiny black things that don’t seem to bite but they
eat (or use) tree sap, they are farmers who grow little nasty things to eat. They cause a great deal of damage around here killing trees and flowering
plants, ruining any food not hermetically sealed.
So I’ve been after them with powders and sprays with limited success. I find them as they are in a trail up a tree or bush and watch their march for a
minute while I plan my attack. The other day I saw two passing on the trail but instead of the almost instantaneous exchange of olfactory information,
these two were locked in some kind of extended conversation.
I won’t credit Mexican ants with some special ability to recite complicated instructions to one another. I suppose, like most ants, their messages
would be simple vector directions and perhaps a hint at what they were seeking/finding. I know nothing about myrmecology but I do remember learning
that ants have different jobs and live out their lives in that one job slot; drones, scouts, warriors, farmers, court attendants, etc.
I’m going to guess that there are, at times, mix ups about who is who and maybe that’s what I was witness to.
“Go up three branches and take a left.”
“Why are you telling me? I’m a scout. I don’t take orders from drones.”
“You don’t smell like a scout.”
“You better get your sniffer checked bub. Now move along.”
“My sniffer works fine. You don’t even look like a scout. You got papers?”
“Papers? Papers? Hey, who are you? Maybe you’re not a drone at all, maybe a scout checker. You’re supposed to give us a checker odor. It’s in the
rules. What’s really going on here?”
I don’t know how it ended because I sprayed the hell out of them. Makes you think though.
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"“I belive in the Supreme Being” you write. Good for you, I am sure she is grateful for this, however it is irrelevant to this discussion. I brush
twice a day and think that has about the same relevance."
Thanks that's a keeper...
"What a great group of online buddies to spit on the fire with."
Ditto's...
[Edited on 5-26-2011 by wessongroup]
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Skeet/Loreto
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We are all Responsible for our Acts!!
The way we act and beleive determines in what direction our Life takes..I prefer to believe in the "Good" things of life, caring, Kindness, Hope,
Lovin etc.
I cannot even get close to thinking I came from a small Sea Animal that washed up on the Beach.
Feelings?? Where do they come from? Acts of all Kinds.
As i set in the bright Sunlight watching my horses graze, I think of their place here on this Planet and worder what may be going on at another
Planet.
Check out what Happened in Roswell new mexico.
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Osprey
Listening to the ants again eh? Great dialogue.
I heard recently, on a recent visit to the pyramid outside Queretaro, that physical anthropologists look for ants and see what they have excavated to
the surface, at times they bring up materials that give clues to what is underground and a good place to dig.
When I tended bee hives I learned that they communicate via dance.
Humans appear to have developed the capacity to both dance and smell. Boy do they smell bad sometimes.
Iflyfish
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