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Gypsy Jan
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Why does David K bug you so much?
I've been reading this forum for years and I don't understand where all this negative attitude towards him comes from.
I don't know the man, except from this forum and, in my experience, he only posts positive stories, and/or promotions of getogethers for likeminded
bajalunatics, which are about the subject and not self aggrandizing.
It is patently obvious that he has a sincere love of the subject of Baja and an encyclopedic knowledge of its history.
I think that his contributions on the board about the history of Baja are very instructive.
I am puzzled as to why a great number of his posts are attacked?
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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surfer jim
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Oh boy, this should be good...
correct answer...."because he gets go to BAJA more than I do"
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Gypsy Jan
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OK, Surfer Jim,
I guess that you are talking about,
"Baja Envy"?
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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David K
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Location: San Diego County
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I am guessing you are reading old stuff... things have been very peaceful here recently.
Thanks for your kind support and I am happy you enjoy my stuff...
I was just telling Elizabeth that for some, my writing is pretty 'black & white'... you know, just the details (milages, GPS, dates). To counter my
stoic trip reports, we are fortunate to have people like Mike Humfreville, Eli, and others who write with 'color', and present their inner most
feelings in their words. They paint a picture with their stories... where as I do the lines and numbers (without the paint)!
Why I get some grief and hate (in the past, at least)??? I suspect it is for different reasons... some take aim because I am one of the most vocal
(appear here a lot)... some want me to shut up and keep my findings a secret... some think I make stuff up or steal info. because nobody could
possibly know so much about various Baja places or events?!
Well, I hope they get over it, because I am not going anywhere (except to Baja). My reports go to you guys (Baja Nomads) who also love and respect
Baja. Graffiti and trash is NOT caused by my trip reports, and that should be what people get mad at.
My mission reports are designed to inform and cause appreciation for what remains. If we know about it and appreciate it, we will have value in
preserving it... helping the Mexicans preserve the sites for future generations...
Thanks again Gypsy... and I hope things remain peaceful! Come to the April Booksigning at the Pyramid Resort, the Baja Rosario Festival in July, and
if I have a Viva Baja #5, as well!
[Edited on 2-7-2005 by David K]
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BajaRob
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Thank You David
I often view your website as a part of trip planning. Black and white without the fluff is exactly what I am looking for. Thank you for sharing with
us. Some others apparently have too much time on their hands. Keep it up. Rob
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academicanarchist
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David K.
I see no reason for anybody to be bad mouthing anybody else on this forum. David K., among other things, shares his information with us, maintains the
Baja California mission web site, posts his photos, although they often need to be edited, and hosts the party for Baja enthusiasts.
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Bruce R Leech
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I enjoy very much David K and his writings. If you have a question about Baja he will generally give you the best answer.
But one of the good things about this Forum is people are not afraid to be critical. when I make a mistake some one will jump on it right away. this
helps to keep posts correct.
David K puts his name on every Post. that means he stands behind what he says. the ones that are posting garbage don't do that.
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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The Sculpin
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Gypsy Jan...don't know where you're getting this from, but it dates back to the original Amigos board. When the Amigos board started, it was mostly a
bunch of baja rats that loved to share stuff like the best/worst dirt road from La Pastora to Canejo, which shocks and tires worked best, who were the
best pangueros, where to find "companionship", and of course, the fish. The lures, the lures, the lures....The information was very good, but it was
also very cryptic. Of immense benefit to those who knew, and practically useless to those who didn't. As the popularity of the board grew, so did the
way it exchanged information. Pretty soon, the new people on the board were actually IDENTIFYING spots!!!! Giving GPS co-ordinates! and horror of all
horrors...actually using the board for wholesale get-togethers - they were called BBBB's. Boy did that set some of the "old timers" off!!! From
info to social club in a matter of months! For some, David K became the poster child for the "new breed Amigos", even though he's known baja longer
than most of the "old timers"....go figure. So he took some heat. What the "old crew" ( me included) realized is that the days of having baja to
yourself were gone, if they ever existed at all.
David's a great guy. He's living his life with passion, and trying to pass that passion on to others. You can't do much better than that.
[Edited on 2-5-2005 by The Sculpin]
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BajaVida
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I have never met David, but love his stuff.
In fact David, why don't you join us on our trip to BOLA? We can meet you near the border mid afternoon on 4/7 and you can be back on 4/15 to file
your taxes.
Thebajarunner and El Almirante (and about 10 others) are going with me.
My negative feeling towards David is envy, but that is not his fault. It is a good thing.
[Edited on 2-5-2005 by BajaVida]
No se apure y dure.
Don\'t hurry and you\'ll last longer.
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Neal Johns
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Because:
1. He has a few books I don't have...
2. He has Elizabeth and I don't...
I could go on and on...
My motto:
Never let a Dragon pass by without pulling its tail!
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Eli
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When ever I think of David K., my mind returns to sitting at a round table with him, Dad, Capt. Mike, and Bernie.
I wasn't paying to much attention to the conversation, my mind was on the shine in David's eyes as his chin rested on his forearms and I watched how
he hung on every dang word the ol Man had to say.
Well, You can know for sure my love and respect grew to curicumspect for David K. that fine day.
[Edited on 2-5-2005 by Eli]
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Hook
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I'll admit to locking horns.....
......with David in the past, and being one of the "old crew" that the Sculpin refers to. Many of us felt it was a poor use of that board to organize
every detail of all the BBBB get-togethers; that an email distribution list would have sufficed. Several of us publicly suggested this to the BBBBers
and were accused of trying to censor the board. In a sense, that was true, but there was a reason for it.
You see, that old Amigos software was a bear to sort through posts for info and all the BBBB posts began to become a significant impediment to
searching for basic info that many wanted. Yeah, the BBBB posts were indirectly about Baja, but it was really alot like reading the minutes to an
organizing committee function for a party.
The compromise that Earl and Co. (I assume with the input of David) came up with was a Q & A board for those of us who simply wanted the basic info
that we used to glean from the main board. In short, WE (if I may use this term, collectively, for many of us old timers on that board) were told to
move to the other board. Well, it had about a third of the traffic of the main board. Answers to questions were slow in coming. In a couple of cases,
I posed questions on the main board (out of frustration) and was told to move on to the other board. I think that rubbed many of us the wrong way.
Probably unfairly, we blamed David for this, as we knew what the board was like before him and what it became after his arrival.
In retrospect, the inconvenieces that the BBBB logjam caused, certainly didn't outweigh the good info David provided. We just felt that both could
have co-existed; easy info and party planning.
Fortunately, software improved that allowed people to "surf" through subjects much more easily. Unfortunately, those software improvements were never
realized on the Amigos board. So, many of us moved on.
Then there is an intangible element to some of David's posts that can come off as being very pompous. I really doubt he intends them that way, but
many sense that tone. Hey, when you are, without question, the eminent authority on land travel on much of the peninsula, there are times you are
going to come across as being superior. Well, his knowledge in this area IS superior to most all. I guess that can also rub some oldtimers the wrong
way.
I have never felt animosity towards him for revealing too much info about the peninsula. That's a myopic view. If we want to blame anyone, it would
have to be Ray Cannon. He, more than anyone, gave Baja fever to the US.
David does, however, appear to have the most virulent strain these days. 
Now I welcome his posts wholeheartedly. I really think that some of the scars of past conflicts have made him a more humble carrier of the fever. He
really has a great sense of humor.
Anyway, that's my recollection on this whole thing. I have still yet to meet him. Maybe at the El Rosario festival?
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TMW
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I would like David much more if he would finally and truthfully tell us where the lost missions are really at, instead of teasing us with tid bits. I
think he's found the treasures and is keeping it for himself. That's why he can go to Baja more than us (and leave his business unattanded) and why
he's thinking of buying a new Toyota. I'm sure he will say this isn't true.
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thebajarunner
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I agree with Baja Vida
David should go to Baja with us in April,
in fact, I would be willing to leave Baja Vida in Oceanside and take David in his place, we could pick up BV on the way home and his lovely wife would
never know the difference.
Think about it, DK, best offer I can muster up today...
oh yeah, hope you can drink lots of Pacificos to fill the void BV would leave.
Baja Arriba!!
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David K
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All right you guys... you are making me blush
I actually hope that my numerous posts inspire the rest of you to post your stories if you don't already.
I do get several U2Us and emails that encourage me to 'stay the course' and not let the handfull of disgruntled to push me away.
Yes, I am a generation AFTER the one that gave us Ray Cannon, Howard Gulick, Harry Crosby, Choral Pepper, Erle Stanley Gardner, Tom Miller, Marvin
Patchen and Mike McMahan. These are the people that opened Baja to the world with their books, maps, and photos. I have personally met every one
except Gardner, but my friendship with Choral Pepper gave me a deep understanding of 'Uncle Erle' and his love of this peninsula. Choral's note to my
Viva Baja guests where she compares me to Gardner has a deep effect on my soul.
From Amigos de Baja, I learned that there was more than just a handfull of people afflicted with Baja Fever. I wanted to meet these folks (you folks)
and confirm that not only is it okay to love Baja so much, but it is a good thing!
The two small gatherings that we Amigos had (jeans pizza party and the San Clemente Pier gathering, both in 2000) showed me that it would be great to
have a regular meeting or party... Viva Baja was born... and it was good!
The first camping party organized off the Amigos board was hosted by El Camote and I lead the two days' expeditions (Sulfur Mine & Shell Island on
Sat. and Matomi Canyon on Sun.) President's Day, 2001. That Matomi Gang event was great... last year (2004) we repeated the weekend.
The BBBB events (Boojum Buddies Baja Bash) are not mine... they are the creation of 'M' (Michelle). She saw the magic of these Baja people getting
together and thought it would be great to have organized camping parties in Baja.
It is all about our love for Baja California, afterall... There is plenty of Baja out there... and our Internet postings are not going to ruin it. The
people that go to Baja who are NOT part of this group (Baja Nomads) are more to be feared...
Because of Baja Nomad and Amigos de Baja before it, we inter-relate our concerns and teach each other what is important. Simple things like hauling
out what you haul in, don't paint graffiti, try and learn Spanish and make friends with the people of Baja California are all good ideas that will
keep Baja a pleasure for years to come.
Thank you for the kind words... please join me in sharing the love of Baja California with your fellow Nomads and Amigos... Let's keep this a good,
positive experience and deal with concerns in a friendly manner....
Viva Baja everybody!!!!
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Baja Bernie
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Hook
I am most impressed with your ability to step outside yourself and evaluate what really went on.
It has bothered me for a long time that David did seem to act like a lightening rod for some.
Like a lot of us I have been coming to Baja since 1964 and I think I know a lot about its people but when I start writing a story or a book about Baja
I always check it out with "The Baja Connection"----for a kid he just knows too damn much about our Baja.
He also owns a few more books than I do but I am gaining.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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JESSE
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David is the Dalai Lama of Baja
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jrbaja
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Although I like David
Seems to me that for advice on Baja, Jesse would be a little more qualified for current information from someone who does more than vacation here and
have a lot of books.
Unless of course, you are looking for coordinates of well know places (now) and stories of family vacations.
But then, I guess if you aren't here, anything helps!
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David K
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So, I guess I should take JESSE with me when I go exploring the interior of his state to make it legitimate? That's okay with me, as Jesse is a cool
dude... So is Ferna, Antonio, Doc, and my other Mexican friends. In fact, Doc was with me on one trip and Antonio on another... So, that is at least
two web pages of mine you can trust JR!
I don't see an invisible line (border) making where I was born or live more qualified to write about a place visited. I never have called myself an
expert on Baja, because I am not... I just like writing about the interesting places I have visited there.
Any person who loves to write about some place they go to, should... What nationality they are should not matter. Judge a person by the content of his
character... not the color of his skin (King).
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
So, I guess I should take JESSE with me when I go exploring the interior of his state to make it legitimate? That's okay with me, as Jesse is a cool
dude... So is Ferna, Antonio, Doc, and my other Mexican friends. In fact, Doc was with me on one trip and Antonio on another... So, that is at least
two web pages of mine you can trust JR!
I don't see an invisible line (border) making where I was born or live more qualified to write about a place visited. I never have called myself an
expert on Baja, because I am not... I just like writing about the interesting places I have visited there.
Any person who loves to write about some place they go to, should... What nationality they are should not matter. Judge a person by the content of his
character... not the color of his skin (King). |
David knows far more about Baja than i know, i might know the cities and the social aspects of Baja better, but he is hands down far more informed
about traveling and exploring Baja.
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