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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
Bad things can happen anywhere. If you really worry about it happinging to you, barracade yourself in your house and never take a chance coming out to
do anything. Heck, you can even shop for food online now and have it delivered to your door. Be carful though, the delivery person might want to kill,
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Ok then- I'll continue the hijack... Mexicans in Rosarito don't leave the house without good reason, they do what you are saying- barricading
themselves safely inside their homes and only peeking out the windows. It's been this way for about four years here. We have families living nearby
and have never, ever seen the children outside. We have adult children living with their parents nearby and even the adult kids are not allowed
outside for fear of being misidentified and killed. No one retires to Mexico to hide indoors, but in Baja Norte it is better to hide indoors than be
targeted as a gringo with money easy for the taking. Even the local businesses keep their door locked during business hours for fear of the owner
being kidnapped. It's bad out there right now and with 100% of the Rosarito police accused of working with the cartels (per Zeta magazine) there in
no to call besides the military if you need help. Paranoid? not really- just reacting to reality like the locals are. |
I think it's a bunch of BS that all the local citizens of Rosarito Beach are barricading themselves inside their homes, and not allowing their adult
children and small children to go outside and play!
I think you Woooosh have been watching too many old westerns
of the bad guys who comes riding into town at dusk, and all the locals are terrified and barricade themselves inside their home but peek from the
window.
But there is one person who isn't scared and that's the tough Sheriff who is very fast with the gun who meets the bad guys in the middle of the
street.
No doubt you Woooosh identify with the sheriff, but if you ask me. I think you Woooosh you are suffering from some type of delusion where you are
transferring(projecting) your fears onto the locals.
The only question I have is why would anybody especially an American would live under such conditions? I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd
jump in the car and just move back to the USA if it was as bad as Woooosh claims.
So I guess if you believe Woooosh Rosarito Beach is a Ghost town and you probably couldn't find one person on the street except for perhaps a few
stray dogs.
Now I haven't been to Rosarito Beach for a few months now, but when I was visiting I didn't see everybody hiding, and I did visit Tijuana just the
other day, and TJ is as it always is. You find plenty of people on the streets, and even kids playing near their homes. Life goes on.
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it's all true. Sorry you can't understand it. When you live among the people (not in an expat community) you see what is really going on. You can't
see it visiting or passing through. It may not be rational fact-based behavior (hiding indoors), but this is how they are acting and it is what it
is. I'm not a cowboy btw- I'm a Connecticut Yankee and we just call it like we see it.
I hope Fulano File won't mind- but I grabbed this from his site today. It's not just Mexicans hiding indoors. These gringas weren't scared- just
crazy...
"Two American Women Hid For 15 Years In Rosarito
Frontera is reporting this morning that two American women, mother and daughter, have been turned over to Mexican immigration for deportation.
The two women had apparently lived at the same address in Rosarito for 15 years and rarely were seen or went outside. Police went to the door to evict
the two after the owners of the house lost a judgement brought forth by Quintas del Mar. A woman answered the door and said she was Mary Caigle,
60-years old. Behind her was another woman who identified herself as Amanda Caigle, 20-years old, who said she had lived in the house from the age of
5 and almost never went outside.
Upon entering the home, authorities found it was full of trash and had a fetid odor. Paramedics from the Red Cross examined the women, determined they
were in good health, and the women were taken to a judge for deportation proceedings. The American Consulate was aiding in the procedures.
[Edited on 6-10-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Hey everyone, thanks the for the advice/info! I guess the discussion going on here is an example of the kind of road block I've been running into.
There are such polarized opinions regarding the safety in Mexico; in the US it seems you are either crazy for wanting to go to a "warzone," or a sheep
for listening to the "hyped up" media, and forgive me for saying it seems to be equally polarized with the locals.
I understand that living somewhere and visiting for vacation are entirely different, and it seems a lot of the advice for staying safe over there
would rely on a fairly intimate understanding of the situation and surroundings. Common sense may vary and stakes seem higher than normal (for a
vacation especially.)
So after all that, given my inexperience relative to the situation, I think I will hold off (not cancel) my Rosarito experience. Thanks for all the
advice, I learned more than I had anticipated. I will buy the next nomad I run across a beer for you guys.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gd98
So after all that, given my inexperience relative to the situation, I think I will hold off (not cancel) my Rosarito experience.
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Good idea. Drive right past the place and don't stop until you get to Hussong's Cantina.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
What it really means is that he was killed for changing sides. |
That's exactly why I've been a Dodger fan my entire life. Yep....that's why. |
Yep! As a Giants fan, hopping to Dodger Stadium is not good for one's health. One of our guys didn't fare too well. I ain't goin'....to Dodger Stadium
or Rosarito! 
Now, in regards to the original question of this thread:
So much has been discussed here. Fulano/Arrowhead/Palmeto99/jenny.navarrette, and the many other identities that are represented by that cabal, be it
one or several persons, take one position and that is their agenda..."avoid anywhere in Mexico" (paraphrasing).
Polly Anna represents the other extreme..."it is no worse than anywhere else".
Here is my take: Groupo Fulano is the more correct when it comes to Rosarito Beach and much of the mainland. It has evolved to that. Having said that,
I don't think you can paint all of Baja with the same broad brush.
If you live in Rosarito you are living behind walls in fear. Those who do must not have many options. For me, it would be better to leave as a pauper
refugee and go elsewhere.
If you are traveling further south, statistically you are safer. The murder incidents in other areas of Baja and Baja Sur are fewer and not
necessarily because of drug activity. They are probably below the averages than in of much of the U.S.
Also, if you are an aware traveler and have no involvement with drugs, and you avoid contact with those who do, you will not encounter any problems
relating to violence. You also spread the risk by geography and distance, whereas the Rosarito area is a concentrated nest of malfeasance looking for
an easy target.
So why drive into Rosarito knowing its current history and notoriety? You may remember the good times at The Rosarito Beach Hotel,
Los Rocas or Puerto Nuevo, but the times have changed. Being a tourist there now, you would be a duck out of water. You would not know your way around
and you would be naive. Being friendly wouldn't help. Your chances of a fatal encounter is greater there than almost anywhere else in the world.
Personally, I don't operate in fear, but I also don't take stupid chances. The rules of travel are universal and the sophisticated know them. Keep
your head. You need it! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
it's all true. Sorry you can't understand it. When you live among the people (not in an expat community) you see what is really going on. You can't
see it visiting or passing through. It may not be rational fact-based behavior (hiding indoors), but this is how they are acting and it is what it
is. I'm not a cowboy btw- I'm a Connecticut Yankee and we just call it like we see it.
I hope Fulano File won't mind- but I grabbed this from his site today. It's not just Mexicans hiding indoors. These gringas weren't scared- just
crazy...
"Two American Women Hid For 15 Years In Rosarito
Frontera is reporting this morning that two American women, mother and daughter, have been turned over to Mexican immigration for deportation.
The two women had apparently lived at the same address in Rosarito for 15 years and rarely were seen or went outside. Police went to the door to evict
the two after the owners of the house lost a judgement brought forth by Quintas del Mar. A woman answered the door and said she was Mary Caigle,
60-years old. Behind her was another woman who identified herself as Amanda Caigle, 20-years old, who said she had lived in the house from the age of
5 and almost never went outside.
Upon entering the home, authorities found it was full of trash and had a fetid odor. Paramedics from the Red Cross examined the women, determined they
were in good health, and the women were taken to a judge for deportation proceedings. The American Consulate was aiding in the procedures.
[Edited on 6-10-2011 by Woooosh] |
You win Woooosh! It looks like you scared another one from visiting Rosarito Beach.
BTW I'm not a gringo, and I probably wouldn't be caught dead in a over priced "expat community unless it was real cheap.( in fact I have often been
told that I hate gringos! Not true)
I'm Mexican, although I was born in the USA and my family has been in the US many generations, but I grew up in Mexican barrio in LA, and I have many
Mexican in-laws by marriage( 2nd generation) and friends in Mexico that I often visit. And I'll flat out come out and say that Mexicans don't live
like you claim hiding behind their doors and walls. I don't care how many news articles they read. People live that only in rich communities where
they don't even know their next door neighbor. Most Mexican streets are always teeming with people. Maybe at night it's quiet?
I just think Woooosh that you are use to suburban living and never experienced living among the poor. Barrios are the same all over the world.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I'm Mexican, although I was born in the USA and my family has been in the US many generations... |
I remember when you were Asian.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2exao09.jpg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I'm Mexican, although I was born in the USA and my family has been in the US many generations... |
I remember when you were Asian.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2exao09.jpg
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Hey Joe. I don't want to win this (and stronger points to skip Rosarito were made by others anyway), I just want Mexico to progress. I don't hate
Rosarito Beach, I want it fixed or at least looking like it's headed the right direction from a security perspective. Too many changes in personnel
come with every election if the opposing party wins- so they start over and nothing moves forward for the people. We went from a Captain Montero and
a better-than-before military model police force to one the Zeta magazine now calls 100% corrupt moving drugs with the cartels through and within
Rosarito. I moved here for retirement because I surfed here 20 years ago and feel in love with it and the view of the Coronado's. I know nothing is
the same or as safe as it was 20 years ago. What Mexico as a country, and Baja in particular- has gone through the past five years is so far from the
heart of what Mexico used to be that it boggles the logical mind. It's heartbreaking. It was also fully preventable. This isn't about me winning or
you losing- it's about the truth.
Yes, my street used to have kids out bike riding (even skateboarding) all the time- but we had narcos move into four or five rental houses. The
military has surrounded three houses on our street in the last month. That tends to make people think there is a reason to stay indoors right now.
The streets have aren't active here at night with people because a 16 year old was kidnapped last year riding his bike after dark and the security
guard who tried to help him was decapitated and left at McDonald's. Maybe the summer heat will bring people outside again. And I think this IS a
typical neighborhood in middle class Mexcio- it's just not the same one I thought I retired in...
[Edited on 6-10-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Although my opinion probably means nothing in this situation, I would hazard a guess that Whoooosh is living in a different situation than most of the
folks on this board.
It doesn't take a brain scientist to realize that local is local. Woooosh is living local.
For a number of year, nee, decades, the street gangs of LA have functioned with impunity. Simple fact is that those same gangs are openly operating in
Rosarito.
I have no words of wisdom. But, I did want to express my own feeling that Woooosh knows what he's talking about.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I'm Mexican, although I was born in the USA and my family has been in the US many generations... |
I remember when you were Asian.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2exao09.jpg
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I don't know why Jenny you don't want to accept the fact that I'm Mexican, Mexican-American, or Chicano, and if pressed I'm guess I'm American too,
but I don't usually refer to myself as American, and besides most gringos don't accept that, and say, "hey what do you mean you're American? You look
Mexican to me." Then I question them when they says, I"m just white!"
Perhaps Jenny you think if you represent me as a Muslim, Gay, or even a Gringo that it will give me less credibility when I talk about Mexico?
Jenny I accept the fact that you want to be a women, and be called Jenny. I don't call you all those names the others here are starting to call you
when they finally started to figure out who you really are. ( I started to wonder when they were finally going to get a clue?) What happened Jenny the
psychiatrist wants you try out being a women before the actual sex change operation? That's a great idea playing the part of a women on a forum. It
will give you much need practice.
I don't know what happened to Wooosh? It's obvious he went over to the dark side and joined the insane of Jenny, Maggie and Fox news and in a vain
attempt to keep people from traveling to Mexico. They want to present Mexico/Baja in the worst possible light possible.
Sorry girls, it ain't going to happen. You can't stop Americans from coming to Mexico because you're bitter about something that happened to you in
Mexico. Once the economy get better and it's already showing signs. Americans will return in droves to the Mexican resorts. The border regions are
going to have to spend a little money updating themselves to get the tourists to return. Right now there isn't much to do in the border region unless
it's something specific like buying prescription medicines, visiting the bars, or going to some event.
[Edited on 6-10-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I'm Mexican, although I was born in the USA and my family has been in the US many generations... |
I remember when you were Asian.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2exao09.jpg
[wank]...[wank]...[wank] |
I don't know why Jenny you don't want to accept the fact that I'm Mexican, Mexican-American, or Chicano, and if pressed I'm guess I'm American too,
but I don't usually refer to myself as American, and besides most gringos don't accept that, and say, "hey what do you mean your American? You look
Mexican to me." Then I question them when they says, I"m just white!"
Perhaps Jenny you think if you represent me as a Muslim, Gay, or even a Gringo that it will give me less credibility when I talk about Mexico?
Jenny I accept the fact that you want to be a women, and be called Jenny. I don't call you all those names the others here are starting to call you
when they finally started to figure out who you really are. ( I started to wonder when they were finally going to get a clue?) What happened Jenny the
psychiatrist wants you try out being a women before the actual sex change operation? That's a great idea playing the part of a women on a forum. It
will give you much need practice.
I don't know what happened to Wooosh? It's obvious he went over to the dark side and joined the insane of Jenny, Maggie and Fox news and in a vain
attempt to keep people from traveling to Mexico. They want to present Mexico/Baja in the worst possible light possible.
Sorry girls, it ain't going to happen. You can't stop Americans from coming to Mexico because you're bitter about something that happened to you in
Mexico. Once the economy get better and it's already showing signs. Americans will return in droves to the Mexican resorts. The border regions are
going to have to spend a little money updating themselves to get the tourists to return. Right now there isn't much to do in the border region unless
it's something specific like buying prescription medicines, visiting the bars, or going to some event.
[Edited on 6-10-2011 by JoeJustJoe] |
There isn't a lack of tourists here Joe, just ones from north of the border. Plenty of Mexican tourists- especially from Mexicali. My family from
Torreon visits- for them it's a relief (not so much any more and no- they don't got out at night either). The excellent themed weekend Rosarito Beach
events bring plenty of people to town- but they are using the 200 peso-per-night boulevard motels and roadside taco stands, not the RBHotel and fine
dining restaurants. You can't sustain a thriving tourist economy on that. You are right, eventually the economy will come back, but several big
Rosarito clubs, bars and restaurants closed last year and the tourist zone is on the verge of blight with the plywood protecting closed storefronts
(you'd think Mexican landlords would understand basic economics and lower retail rents to keep their places open, but no- so everyone loses). But it
will come back. What needs to happen for high-revenue American tourists (and expats) to return to Rosarito is: make it a value, make it easy, make it
safe. Same goes for the revival of the Real Estate market here: Make it a real value to the already depressed US market, make the deal happen with a
legal land title, think about security upfront.
[Edited on 6-11-2011 by Woooosh]
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Damn, should have shown this thread to the wife. Could have spent her BD in vegas instead.
Woosh, always respect your viewpoint as one who is in the thick of it. Hope you and family stay safe. We are going to see if Yaqui (the original) is
still open for lunch tomorrow.
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Yaqui is open indeed. We do a bike ride the 2nd Saturday of every month (Today) and the ride ends there 
and you might find this interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=faces+of+rosarit...
if that entire link is not highlighted, copy and paste it!
[Edited on 6-11-2011 by bajabound2005]
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Very interesting indeed. Thanks for the link, and thanks for letting us know what you really think about us. You're a real peach.
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The "Faces of Rosarito"... none of them brown apparently. Too bad they didn't invite me to participate, but I'm not pushing real estate like they
are. This is so over the top to be more damaging to their "cause" than helping it. But this is what Mexico does. These people are pawns. Let's face
it- few people are "living the good life" anywhere right now in these unstable economic times.
[Edited on 6-11-2011 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The "Faces of Rosarito"... none of them brown apparently. Too bad they didn't invite me to participate, but I'm not pushing real estate like they
are. This is so over the top to be more damaging to their "cause" than helping it. But this is what Mexico does. These people are pawns. Let's face
it- few people are "living the good life" anywhere right now in these unstable economic times.
[Edited on 6-11-2011 by Woooosh] |
Woooosh,
The majority of American ex-pats living in the gated communities South & North of Rosarito are not affected at all. What is
happening in Rosarito proper might as well be happening on the moon. They don't care.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The "Faces of Rosarito"... none of them brown apparently. Too bad they didn't invite me to participate, but I'm not pushing real estate like they
are. This is so over the top to be more damaging to their "cause" than helping it. But this is what Mexico does. These people are pawns. Let's face
it- few people are "living the good life" anywhere right now in these unstable economic times.
[Edited on 6-11-2011 by Woooosh] |
I fail to see the problem of a few ladies getting together to hear a guess speaking and enjoying life.
Please Woooosh don't bring out the "race card" because you are one of the more racist member on the "Nomad" forum! Oh you don't do it deliberately
like some of those trolls in the "OT" forum but the racism is unmistakable steeped in white supremacist, and especially "white privilege" talk! I
guess other members don't read what you write in those "alarmist" blogs you belong too.
You have this belief that Mexicans can't fix their own problems, and they have to turn to the US to solve their problems. Boy you can't wait till the
US troops come to Mexico with boots on the ground kicking ass. What about the Mexican Constitution and human rights? Woooosh would say, "take them
away, suspend the Mexican Constitution, and declare Martial law! So what if the military cracks heads on the streets and rounds people up or breaks
in houses because they got an anonymous tip. If a Mexican has a shaved head or tats on the neck it's a sure a sure sign he is either a cartel
member, ratero, or deported gang banger from the US. Lock them all up based on looks. It's all good. I"m white and privileged and the Mexican people
love me, because I speak out on their behalf, because they can't do it with that manana attitude and leaving things to faith Mexican people have."
Sorry Woooosh it ain't going to happen despite what you read in the "WikiLeaks" and even if you got your wish it would not stop the drug cartels.
Besides I'm pretty sure the PRI political party will win most elections next time around and have a more sensible approach dealing with the drug
cartels.
What you fail to realize Wooosh is there are forces out there, Jenny, Maggie, right-wing media, racists, and you Woooosh that want to paint Mexico in
the worst light possible to make others believe Mexico is a war zone. A case in point is the way you present Rosarito Beach with all the citizens
cowering in fear hiding behind doors, except you apparently, but then you reverse yourself and say tourism is good in the area for cheapskate
Mexicans, but they aren't going to make it unless the gringos returns with their fat wallets.
I actually run into a lot of people espeically on forums that believe the world espeically Baja revolve around the USA and Americans.
[Edited on 6-11-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The "Faces of Rosarito"... none of them brown apparently. Too bad they didn't invite me to participate, but I'm not pushing real estate like they
are. This is so over the top to be more damaging to their "cause" than helping it. But this is what Mexico does. These people are pawns. Let's face
it- few people are "living the good life" anywhere right now in these unstable economic times.
[Edited on 6-11-2011 by Woooosh] |
Woooosh,
The majority of American ex-pats living in the gated communities South & North of Rosarito are not affected at all. What is
happening in Rosarito proper might as well be happening on the moon. They don't care. |
Yes, of course that is true. Wait until the day their $20 a day security guard at their gate sets them up.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The "Faces of Rosarito"... none of them brown apparently. Too bad they didn't invite me to participate, but I'm not pushing real estate like they
are. This is so over the top to be more damaging to their "cause" than helping it. But this is what Mexico does. These people are pawns. Let's face
it- few people are "living the good life" anywhere right now in these unstable economic times.
[Edited on 6-11-2011 by Woooosh] |
I fail to see the problem of a few ladies getting together to hear a guess speaking and enjoy life.
Please Woooosh don't bring out the "race card" because you are one of the more racist member on the "Nomad" forum! Oh you don't do it deliberately
like some of those trolls in the "OT" forum but the racism is unmistakable steeped in white supremacist, and especially "white privilege" talk! I
guess other members don't read what you write in those "alarmist" blogs you belong too.
You have this belief that Mexicans can't fix their own problems, and they have to turn to the US to solve their problems. Boy you can't wait till the
US troops come to Mexico with boots on the ground kicking burro. What about the Mexican Constitution and human rights? Woooosh would say, "take them
away, suspend the Mexican Constitution, and declare Martial law! So what if the military cracks heads on the streets and rounds people up or breaks
in houses because they got an anonymous tip. If a Mexican has a shaved head or tats on the neck it's a sure a sure sign he is either a cartel
member, ratero, or deported gang banger from the US. Lock them all up based on looks. It's all good. I"m white and privileged and the Mexican people
love me, because I speak out on their behalf, because they can't do it with that manana attitude and leaving things to faith Mexican people have."
Sorry Woooosh it ain't going to happen despite what you read in the "WikiLeaks" and even if you got your wish it would not stop the drug cartels.
Besides I'm pretty sure the PRI political party will win most elections next time around and have a more sensible approach dealing with the drug
cartels.
What you fail to realize Wooosh is there are forces out there, Jenny, Maggie, right-wing media, racists, and you Woooosh that want to paint Mexico in
the worst light possible to make others believe Mexico is a war zone. A case in point is the way you present Rosarito Beach with all the citizens
cowering in fear hiding behind doors, except you apparently, but then you reverse yourself and say tourism is good in the area for cheapskate
Mexicans, but they aren't going to make it unless the gringos returns with their fat wallets.
I actually run into a lot of people espeically on forums that believe the world espeically Baja revolve around Americans. |
My points are accurate and at least I think they are logically presented. Locals are not tourists and tourism is not "one size fits all" for Americas
and Mexicans and those business that cater to each. These ladies are not tourists. No tourists will be joining these ladies for c-cktail receptions
in their gated compounds. They are the ones who come off looking like elitists in these videos and no Mexicans could ever relate to it. It's sort of
like visiting Jamaica mon- the tourists do not leave the Hotel resorts and go into the city where the locals are unless it is a supervised excursion.
Does that make it a bad tourist destination? no. But it doesn't mean the tourists really "visited" Jamaica and experienced their culture either.
There are very few things in Rosarito you cannot find in San Diego, it is not that unique. You can get the exact same fried lobster at the Ortega's
in San Diego as in Puerto Nuevo (same prices, same Ortega family are free parking too), the Fish Tacos at Rubio's are excellent and the souvenirs you
find at any Old Town San Diego shop come from the same places in Guadalajara that the Rosarito shops gets them from. So what's the draw for American
tourists? It's not a value, it's not easy and whether or not it is "safe" depends on what your security comfort level is.
The people who have problems with my posts maybe haven't read enough of them over the years. Mexico has been on a roller coaster ride the past five
years. There has been good and bad news and I post both. Right now Zeta magazine is reporting 100% of the Rosarito police force has gone over to the
dark side moving drugs for the cartels. This is new since January. My posts prior to that were very positive on the police under Montero, but that
period is gone. Mexico takes one step forward and then two back and then a couple sideways. The situation in Rosarito is fluid and my posts and
viewpoint clearly reflect that dynamic. It's not always pretty- but it is what it is. The problem is not PAN or PRI politics, it is a collective
lack of a moral compass.
[Edited on 6-11-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Well...
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Yes, of course that is true. Wait until the day their $20 a day security guard at their gate sets them up. |
There's that.
There have been studies in the U.S. about how electronically gated communities are safer by a factor of x. When a security guard is added the safety
factor goes up...Way up.
I'd expect that in Mexico the reverse would be true. 
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