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redhilltown
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I can't help believe that the reaction has everything to do with the nature of the game itself. Who would not admit that Hockey is a blood sport,
dependent on personal, violent combat for fan approval?!! Who would deny that if the glass barrier, as well as heavy law enforcement were not in
place, the mayhem would take place in the arena as well as in the streets?!!
Destructive social behavior is much more deep-seated than in the game itself, but the game encourages that behavior.....so that's what you get.
When these activities start taking place at Wimbeldon, you'll know Western Civilization is in peril.
Not so much when a result of an Ultimate Fighting event.
Before I defend hockey--which I will--let me make the analogy that people who do not follow the sport and simply see the fights on the news and then
judge are a bit similar to those who see the DRUG VIOLENCE IN MEXICO warnings and paint a broad stroke on Mexico and those of us who love it. (this is
not meant for Dennis who obviously KNOWS his Baja)....... Which is not to side step the problems of each but so much is overblown.
Having followed hockey for over 40 years and having played it for 20 I know there is soooo much more to it than violence... but there really is no way
to convey this unless you see it personally and avoid the hype. There is no huge police presence at hockey games..maybe a couple of cops and the usual
security. The players are the sanest, least drugged out, and for the most part well behaved of any major sport.
Violence? Virtually any single down in football has as much violence as any entire game of hockey. Players careers are often ended by cheap shots and
vicious illegal hits. If you want violence try a pitcher throwing 100 mph at a guy's head...bench clearing brawls are a thing of the past in hockey
but still common in baseball (serious beatings by fans? hockey? no, baseball). Soccer I would not assume is a blood sport but there is probably more
historical violence surrounding it and its fans than any other. And the single most brutal punch in all of professional sports history was by Kermit
Washington...in basketball (and to add some humor I cannot write that without thinking back to Garret Morris and Saturday Night Live!).
The fights are overrated. Very very very rarely does anyone get hurt and for an enclosed VERY fast, hard hitting sport it relieves some
tension....that will of course be hotly debated and I understand the arguments against it but fights are becoming more and more rare. Just TRY to get
off a good punch while on skates and exhausted and wearing all that gear... We all have our preferences but I'd rather watch a hockey fight with
little chance of injury as opposed to a Wimbledon contestant cuss, throw their racket, hit balls at crying babies, or snap at the ball boys/girls.
Let me buy you a Pacifico Dennis at the Palomar "sports bar and grill" in Santo Tomas and we'll watch a game next season!
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redhilltown
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ooops....sorry, I included my reply in Dennis' quote.
obviously hockey fans are computer idiots...
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Rabid sports fans remind me of the teenage girls that scream at the sight of their flavor-of-the-month idol. Kind of hard to understand?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
The fights are overrated.
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If they arn't violence, what are they? I've heard of "rough sex" before, but this can't be that.
OK, RHT....I can agree with most of your well presented logic above and you're right....I don't have a clear, full understanding of the game, but I
think I understand what I see....what the camera goes out of it's way to be sure that I see. I see fist-fights that are not even mentioned in the
rules of the game. I see bare-knuckle face punches that arn't of pratfall quality and are not done for show.
I will grudgingly accept that if I knew the game better, these violent actions would have their place in my info processing, but I don't and they
won't.
I also see referees standing next to these activities as spectators.
How do you feel about Pro Wrestling? Can you agree that it agitates some viewers to a violent degree? I believe it does, but I don't understand
Wrestling either. I still tend to believe everybody knows it's choreographed nonsense, but that evidently is not the case. People believe what they
want to believe and they most certainly want to believe a Hockey fight is the real thing. I do.
I see a fundamental difference in aggressive football plays performed within the rules and Hockey fights. Peer preasure among the players is utmost.
Football doesn't hire street-fighters....Hockey does.
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Let me buy you a Pacifico Dennis at the Palomar "sports bar and grill" in Santo Tomas and we'll watch a game next season!
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You're on. I do, of course, have my price.
Thanks for the enlightening discussion. I'll try to be more understanding in the future.....at least before Sharky's.
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Did you mean your price was MORE than a Pacifico???
I tried very hard not to use the lame argument "you don't understand"... one of the factors is that many people in U.S. are not familiar with the game
growing up and it is virtually impossible to follow much less learn the game on television.
Yes, they are real punches but still a part of the game for now. There use to be horrific bench clearing brawls but like I said, for that action you
need to follow baseball and often basketball. If it is an even fight, the referees stand by on purpose as they want the players to tire themselves out
first before they move in to break it up...and believe me those guys almost ALWAYS want it broken up as they are whooped. In the old days you would
have a point about street fighters and hockey but no longer. You dont make it to the NHL just because you can ONLY fight like the old days. Tough
yeah but you better have some skills too.
I hear what you are saying as to violence and spectacles such as wrestling. I have no idea, but I'm sure the argument can be made that watching such
events lets some of these clowns burn off emotions and vicariously get tough without actually doing it.
The funny thing is, I basically HATE sports! The rabid fan crap I just dont get but to each their own. But we can all relax a bit, four months now of
no hockey!!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
Did you mean your price was MORE than a Pacifico??? |
No.....I'd have split one with you. 
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I'm sure the argument can be made that watching such events lets some of these clowns burn off emotions and vicariously get tough without actually
doing it.
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They should be restricted to watching "Days of our lives."
A buddy of mine in High School was laid up sick at home and all he had to do was watch TV.
Well....one of the prominent daytime programs then was Chef Milani and my bud couldn't stand him, so one day he loaded his 12 Ga. and unloaded the
whole thing on Chef Milani.
He lived at home with his parents and had a terrible time explaining that one.
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