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mad.gif posted on 6-27-2011 at 08:13 PM
Orange County man on a fishing trip gets rammed by Mexican Navy


Can't believe how arrogant The Mexican Navy can be! No verbal warning just rammed the guy's boat then asked questions???:mad:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=8217815

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]
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[*] posted on 6-27-2011 at 08:30 PM


I would think daytime trips should be OK. From what I know- the smugglers move pangas along and up the coast at night. Then again, it is dangerous out at night for them. They're just trying to make it look like they're doing something in the drug war.

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[*] posted on 6-27-2011 at 09:58 PM


Sounds fishy to me, theres more to it than what its being told.



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[*] posted on 6-27-2011 at 10:31 PM


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Sounds fishy to me, theres more to it than what its being told.


Sure there is Jesse.
The child they had driving the boat tried to pull alongside and ended up ramming them - oops.
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[*] posted on 6-27-2011 at 11:44 PM


Gotta agree with Diver on this one... I seriously doubt an old doctor would be doing something blatantly illegal or obviously stupid. We have all seen the "Mexican Navy" and my best guess is not a single one of us would be impressed. They were bored and had to earn their keep. Same thing at the checkpoints when they find something in your car and make a stink about it for 10 minutes before moving you on.
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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 12:30 AM


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Gotta agree with Diver on this one... I seriously doubt an old doctor would be doing something blatantly illegal or obviously stupid. We have all seen the "Mexican Navy" and my best guess is not a single one of us would be impressed. They were bored and had to earn their keep. Same thing at the checkpoints when they find something in your car and make a stink about it for 10 minutes before moving you on.


I am not saying the guy was doing anything wrong, but i also don't think the navy would just go out and ram the guy for nothing. They can get in real trouble for doing things like that so i think some sort of miscommunication happened or soemthing.




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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 12:32 AM


Stop yer whining....the Mexicans try to do something about smuggling and you discredit their efforts....and you would discredit them if they didn't make an effort.....shaddup!!

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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 05:14 AM


We were stopped and inspected by the MexNav in BoLA in 2005. They were polite and respectful.
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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 06:32 AM
Arrogant???


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Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
Can't believe how arrogant The Mexican Navy can be! No verbal warning just ramed the guy's boat then asked questions???:mad:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=8217815

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]





Yeah, but you are only getting ONE side of the "story".....




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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 06:45 AM


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"We were about a mile and a half offshore when all of a sudden this boat came up lickity split, came up against the port side of the boat and slammed into us," Barry McKay said.

The 27-foot boat shows signs of damage on the exterior, as well as the interior. It could cost more than $2,000 to repair the boat.



$2,000. sounds like pretty minor damage. he could be exaggerating the value of damage.

perhaps he is lying about cause to recover insurance money, after he ran into dock an caused damage himself.
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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 06:48 AM


it does sound strange....we talk with alot of yachts and the navy does inspect them regularly but generally attempt to make radio contact first, failing that use a loud hailer. It is their job to check boats in mexican waters and see that they are legit, have permits etc. Dive charter boats from the states do dive and fish without proper permits. In these turbulent times, more inspections are occurring. the guns are just part of the uniform and these guys get shot at by poachers and drug smugglers so I dont blame them for having them at the ready when approaching a boat. They come in hard and fast in any suspicious conditions if you didnt respond to the radio calls and looked to be running away.

If you see the navy approaching, one should realize they want to do an inspection and cooperate fully by heaving to, put bumpers out etc. It makes me wonder if they failed to stop or respond to radio contact. Coming alongside is a tricky manouver and can result in damage to rails etc. if both parties arent fending off...perhaps a communications issue all right.




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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 06:57 AM


Mexico's navy was in Puerticitos bout a year ago when we were there. There was a large group....practicing naval maneuvers there off the ramp. Super nice dudes.

The guys manning the road inspections.....I have had good experience with them too.

Then again....like OUR military...there are issues with personal at times.

Ramming boats intentionally without a warning? I agree...what's the part of this story that got left out?

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by mcfez]




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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 07:01 AM


Exactly .. thanks for the balance... always two sides... sometimes even more...

That someone with a "vessel" should be shocked getting an inspection from the Navy off the coast anywhere north of La Salina to the border ... well... think we ALL know how much and what moves up the coast by vessels .... day and night...

Also was it a small craft which caused the small damage incurred to the vessel .... or something long these lines... just asking.. as these guys used to be around ... don't know now... this was off La Mision ... and it would make a difference...





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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 07:01 AM


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Ramming boats intentionally without a warning? I agree...what's the part of this story that got left out?



the article said "slammed". did not say "rammed."

"slammed" may have just been a bump to a drunk boater who didn't have sense enough to put out fenders before being boarded for inspection.
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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 07:08 AM


Having been boarded by the Mexican Navy several times, we have always been treated with respect. Young navy men don't wear soft deck shoes and the patrol boats don't put out fenders. Aside from that, boaters should put out fenders when the patrol boat is coming aside. That is their job. They are dressed out in proper gear for what they may encounter with a strange ship. Boats tied side to side will rub in a running sea and can cause damage if preparations (fenders) were not made. I did see the television news and the 27 ft power boat had damage to the port side at the stern quarter. The rub rail had been damaged, they said $2000, which is very minor with a boat. The use of the word "rammed" is a bit overkill as if they were rammed by the patrol boat it would not be at the quarter and the boat would be badly stove-in. 14 years sailing in Mexican waters and the only complaint I have heard from fellow boaters is that the boarding party wears boots (black marks etc.) on the hull. They certainly dress differently than our coast guard, but then again, look what they are facing.
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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 07:34 AM


"COSTA MESA, Calif. (KABC) -- A Costa Mesa man says the Mexican military rammed his boat twice and held him at gunpoint during a fishing trip over the weekend."

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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 07:38 AM
he said, she said


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"COSTA MESA, Calif. (KABC) -- A Costa Mesa man says the Mexican military rammed his boat twice and held him at gunpoint during a fishing trip over the weekend."

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jackie:
this is only relevant quote I could find:
"We were about a mile and a half offshore when all of a sudden this boat came up lickity split, came up against the port side of the boat and slammed into us," Barry McKay said.

where do you see a direct quote of Barry McKay using word "rammed?"
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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 07:50 AM


Mexican Marines

I saw them in town last night when I was getting gasoline. They're stationed here as they are in many towns along Baja's coasts.

I've grown accustomed to them, Marine and Army, as a presence in Baja and have found them to be ok guys. I've had occasion to see how they handle themselves in a coule of situations and they're sincere and as professional as their culture, training, age and experience affords, in my opinion. They do present as formidable, some with the ski mask on face, that's true, and they are armed. They're doing their job.

Again, I have to say the US media tends to put a spin of slander in their reporting of incidents in Mexico which leaves the reader/listener with a sense of anxiety and fear.




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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 07:51 AM
Goat.....the fact finder? Oh Gods!




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[*] posted on 6-28-2011 at 08:18 AM


Nice Deno!
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