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drarroyo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by drarroyo
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
the article said "slammed". did not say "rammed."
"slammed" may have just been a bump to a drunk boater who didn't have sense enough to put out fenders before being boarded for inspection.
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BAM!!!! Goat nails it again.
Jim or Lisa should be ashamed of themselves.
I did not read link (suspecting one side of story being left out), but the point being, reading the headline conjured up a certain image.
I revisit this post and see Goats comment. 'Slammed' would have made for a different 'picture' in my mind.
Shame on them.
What the hell is a rame anyway 
[Edited on 6-28-2011 by drarroyo] |
clicked on link! The article does state 'rammed'!
The boat sure shows damage but hardly from ramming!! Looks like Mexican Navy screwed up getting close to this boat (maybe rough seas) and some
'siding' was damaged. In a perfect world fishing guy should be compensated.
But ramming. please.
what a textbook example of the power of media the news clip displays.
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Having lots of boats and pangas in the water working all the time, we have contact with the Mexican Navy on a regular and ongoing basis down here. I
cannot think of a single time where the contact was anything but professional and polite. The Navy is dealing with a lot more than just folks out
trying to get their day's limit and I don't mean just people and drugs heading north.
Many don't realize that since the US started inspecting vehicles heading south, the cartels are now looking for other ways to move guns and money back
to Mexico. "Private fishing boats" heading out of San Diego would be an excellent cover to move cash/guns and I would not be surprised to see the Navy
approach private vessels with caution; weapons displayed.
You do need to have fenders out when they pull up as they will pull right along side. I strongly doubt that the Navy "rammed" the boat head on (unless
they appeared to be trying to pull away) and suspect that the good doctor is just trying to justify/pad his insurance claim...
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Jim/Liisa
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| Quote: | Originally posted by drarroyo
| Quote: | Originally posted by drarroyo
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
the article said "slammed". did not say "rammed."
"slammed" may have just been a bump to a drunk boater who didn't have sense enough to put out fenders before being boarded for inspection.
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BAM!!!! Goat nails it again.
Jim or Lisa should be ashamed of themselves.
I did not read link (suspecting one side of story being left out), but the point being, reading the headline conjured up a certain image.
I revisit this post and see Goats comment. 'Slammed' would have made for a different 'picture' in my mind.
Shame on them.
What the hell is a rame anyway
[Edited on 6-28-2011 by drarroyo] |
clicked on link! The article does state 'rammed'!
The boat sure shows damage but hardly from ramming!! Looks like Mexican Navy screwed up getting close to this boat (maybe rough seas) and some
'siding' was damaged. In a perfect world fishing guy should be compensated.
But ramming. please.
what a textbook example of the power of media the news clip displays. |
Thanks, corrected my spelling no spell check on this site?
I am not saying the Mexican Navy as a whole is bad but like anything else there is always one bad seed.
The boat did sustain some major damage if you look at the wall in the head on the vidio. I don't think the Dr. was lieing about what happen. And both
words rammed and slammed where used.
I do know the millitary like to show off when they fly on patrol over the coast they fly very low and fast over the houses. Now how can they actully
see or catch what's going on doing that?
[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]
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drarroyo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
You do need to have fenders out when they pull up as they will pull right along side. I strongly doubt that the Navy "rammed" the boat head on (unless
they appeared to be trying to pull away) and suspect that the good doctor is just trying to justify/pad his insurance claim...
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It's not rocket science! A ramming would induce indentation!!
Check the obvious up / DOWN damage. sheeez
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Sounds fishy to me, theres more to it than what its being told. |
I have to go along with these other posters Jesse,
nationalistic pride is good, I would expect nothing
less, but if you think the Gringo skipper is anything
other than just going fishing, you should reevaluate
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where do the chicken coop groupers fall in evolution?
given that many republicans running for pres believe in creationism, would be in spirit of bipartisanship if you presented the creationism story of
baja nomads.
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Dr McKay is 80 yrs old and was still practicing up til the time I retired last year. He couldn't be any mellower, kinder, or a nicer guy. His patients
love him, fellow physicians respect him, and I always enjoyed working with him when his patients came through the ER or were hospitalized. We never
discussed fishing or Mexico and I know nothing of his boating skills or experiences in Mexico, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with anything
negative to say about the man himself.
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I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and has the Officer disciplined. Yes for some reason, every boat carries an Officer on board
in the Mexican Navy that includes pangas . This dosen't help for publicity of Mexico.
Any body who's been in the service knows they have there share of c-cky Officers. And the crew only follows orders.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and has the Officer disciplined. Yes for some reason, every boat carries an Officer on board
in the Mexican Navy that includes pangas . This dosen't help for publicity of Mexico.
Any body who's been in the service knows they have there share of c-cky Officers. And the crew only follows orders. |
Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and has the Officer disciplined. Yes for some reason, every boat carries an Officer on board
in the Mexican Navy that includes pangas . This dosen't help for publicity of Mexico.
Any body who's been in the service knows they have there share of c-cky Officers. And the crew only follows orders. |
Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders? |
Speaking of bumper guards where wear the ones onthe Navy boat and where were the sailers. And what orders where given by this Officer? Sorry but that
Officer is still responsable for any action made by His crew no matter what it was right wrong or indifferent.
I truely think that the American Dr. was telling the truth. And His boat was damaged.
[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]
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This post is short on facts and long on speculation. Damage?
Injuries?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
I truely think that the American Dr. was telling the truth. |
you "truly think" so on basis of a 100-word news article?
it is evident that the reporter only spoke with the gringo and did not interview the Navy -- the article tells one side of the story.
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Fenders?
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Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders? |
Fenders wouldn't have helped one bit. Like getting hit by Andre the Giant. There was extensive delamination in the cabin which means the other vessel
hit him pretty hard.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders? |
Fenders wouldn't have helped one bit. Like getting hit by Andre the Giant. There was extensive delamination in the cabin which means the other vessel
hit him pretty hard. |
Thank you Dave...
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I have heard the Navy hailing vessels on the radio often and they give them several chances to respond and then they tell them they are going to
approach and to heave to and be prepared for boarding. I often think the boats just dont answer or stop because they dont understand spanish.... I
wonder if they had their VHF on.
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drarroyo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and has the Officer disciplined. Yes for some reason, every boat carries an Officer on board
in the Mexican Navy that includes pangas . This dosen't help for publicity of Mexico.
Any body who's been in the service knows they have there share of c-cky Officers. And the crew only follows orders. |
Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders? |
Speaking of bumper guards where wear the ones onthe Navy boat and where were the sailers. And what orders where given by this Officer? Sorry but that
Officer is still responsable for any action made by His crew no matter what it was right wrong or indifferent.
I truely think that the American Dr. was telling the truth. And His boat was damaged.
[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa] |
wo. thats al i cann sayy
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it takes a village, people!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and has the Officer disciplined. |
I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and gives the Officer a medal.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I strongly doubt that the Navy "rammed" the boat head on (unless they appeared to be trying to pull away) and suspect that the good doctor is just
trying to justify/pad his insurance claim... |
Say it isn't so---"justify/pad" no, no, just never happens.
Besides, it makes good copy for a news article. Could grow into a major article on a certain "News" station----Innocent US citizen held hostage was
mistreated by the Mexican army and his boat destroyed by their ship----details at 10. 
I am sorry his boat sustained damage, however.
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