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shari
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way to go Ab...I"m proud of you for accepting the possibility that you may have been wrong. I have alot of experience on both sides of this story and
I can tell you that 9.5 times out of 10...the person thinking they got ripped off....didnt. It is usually just mild ignorance of the situation, a
misunderstanding or counting wrong....I'm just sayin....truth be told as many did in this thread....exploding with anger is not the way to deal with
anything in this culture....so the sooner one learns that here, the better all things will go....cheers and thanks for lessons learned.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Yea, PEMEX ought to go to self-serve. Flip the lever and pump your gas. Pay the attendant and go. No bigee! |
I disagree, I appreciate having someone pump my gas so I don't have to handle a smelly nozzle or get out of my car when it's 100º or
-20º, plus it gives a guy a job. Being from Oregon where there is no self serve, I always thought it to be a real inconvenience for the elderly and
infirm in the states where all the stations are self serve.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Yea, PEMEX ought to go to self-serve. Flip the lever and pump your gas. Pay the attendant and go. No bigee! |
I disagree, I appreciate having someone pump my gas so I don't have to handle a smelly nozzle or get out of my car when it's 100º or
-20º, plus it gives a guy a job. Being from Oregon where there is no self serve, I always thought it to be a real inconvenience for the elderly and
infirm in the states where all the stations are self serve. |
Ah shucks, this is what I miss----the time when they were Service Stations. 
http://youtu.be/G5iypuYl4E0
I really do hope they don't all turn into self-serve as that would be a job killer.
[Edited on 7-8-2011 by DianaT]
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bajagrouper
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And just think how all of this could have been avoided if you had just locked your gas cap at the last Pemex station............
I hear the whales song
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajagrouper
And just think how all of this could have been avoided if you had just locked your gas cap at the last Pemex station............
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Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Live and Learn, what a concept. Hats off to you Absinvestor.
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dtutko1
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Yea, PEMEX ought to go to self-serve. Flip the lever and pump your gas. Pay the attendant and go. No bigee! |
I disagree, I appreciate having someone pump my gas so I don't have to handle a smelly nozzle or get out of my car when it's 100º or
-20º, plus it gives a guy a job. Being from Oregon where there is no self serve, I always thought it to be a real inconvenience for the elderly and
infirm in the states where all the stations are self serve. |
Minus 20? What Pemex are you using?
Dorado Don
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larryC
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The vast majority of my experiences at Pemex stations have been positive. The attendants do their job and are helpful if you need it. The one place
that I will not go to again is the original Pemex station in Sta. Rosalia. In the last 40 years they have tried to rip me off everytime I go in
there.. The last time (a few years ago) there were 3 of us traveling together and we all pulled into that Pemex. We all went about our own business
and filled our vehicles. When my pumps meter read 237 pesos it suddenly shut itself off. The attendant came over and messed with it for a few seconds
and then showed me the amount on the meter and said he would have to restart the pump at zero pesos. He did and pumped in another 583 pesos before the
pump shut off automatically. He then used his calculator and came up with a total of 920 pesos. I just looked at him and smiled. Told him politely to
recalculate it. He did and came up with 940 pesos. When I didn't pay and just smiled at him he recalculated again and came up with the correct amount
of 820 pesos. I paid and was on my way. Later when we all got together and compared stories, the same thing had happened to them. So just because the
pump starts at zero they can still get you.
Larry
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Roberto
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I will say this - all pumps I have seen recently have a sign that says "make sure the pump reads zero". And, apparently, attendants are now trained to
show you the zeros and wait for your response before they start pumping.
Must be a reason for this? Not sure shouting helps, however.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
I will say this - all pumps I have seen recently have a sign that says "make sure the pump reads zero". And, apparently, attendants are now trained to
show you the zeros and wait for your response before they start pumping.
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That is what I've noticed here. Now...if they can just figure out how to pump only five gallons into a five gallon tank, it will be a perfect world.
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preston
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Yea, PEMEX ought to go to self-serve. Flip the lever and pump your gas. Pay the attendant and go. No bigee! |
I disagree, I appreciate having someone pump my gas so I don't have to handle a smelly nozzle or get out of my car when it's 100º or
-20º, plus it gives a guy a job. Being from Oregon where there is no self serve, I always thought it to be a real inconvenience for the elderly and
infirm in the states where all the stations are self serve. |
Ah shucks, this is what I miss----the time when they were Service Stations.
http://youtu.be/G5iypuYl4E0
I really do hope they don't all turn into self-serve as that would be a job killer.
[Edited on 7-8-2011 by DianaT] |
If you are infirm or too elderly to pump your own gas you have no business driving.
Self serve a "job killer"? Why not get rid of Fast Pass and all those other "job killer" innovations (I could list hundreds) that have improved the
standard of living for all.
Let businesses make their own decisions. Remember when the "full serve" pumps charged $.1 per gallon extra for the service ... for the most part that
tells you what the market wants .... SELF SERVE.
In fact, would you suggest that we go back to the old style grocery store where the shopkeeper retrieved all your items from behind the counter for
you?
Mexican gas is a rigged market ...
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by preston
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Yea, PEMEX ought to go to self-serve. Flip the lever and pump your gas. Pay the attendant and go. No bigee! |
I disagree, I appreciate having someone pump my gas so I don't have to handle a smelly nozzle or get out of my car when it's 100º or
-20º, plus it gives a guy a job. Being from Oregon where there is no self serve, I always thought it to be a real inconvenience for the elderly and
infirm in the states where all the stations are self serve. |
Ah shucks, this is what I miss----the time when they were Service Stations.
http://youtu.be/G5iypuYl4E0
I really do hope they don't all turn into self-serve as that would be a job killer.
[Edited on 7-8-2011 by DianaT] |
If you are infirm or too elderly to pump your own gas you have no business driving.
Self serve a "job killer"? Why not get rid of Fast Pass and all those other "job killer" innovations (I could list hundreds) that have improved the
standard of living for all.
Let businesses make their own decisions. Remember when the "full serve" pumps charged $.1 per gallon extra for the service ... for the most part that
tells you what the market wants .... SELF SERVE.
In fact, would you suggest that we go back to the old style grocery store where the shopkeeper retrieved all your items from behind the counter for
you?
Mexican gas is a rigged market ... |
Phew! Such a diatribe! I should not even respond --but I will once and then be done with it.
Of course I don't want everything to go back to the good old days which were not so good for a lot of people----the clip was just a little attempt at
a little nostalgia for fun----I guess a failed attempt.
Job killer? Yes, it would be. It is like where we live in Bahia Asuncion one small street cleaner and one automatic lawnmower would be a lot more
efficient and quicker for cleaning our main street----but it would put about 5 guys out of well needed jobs. Modern inventions don't always improve
the living standard for all.
And as far as the Mexican gas being a rigged market? Well if it is, it is ---- or as we often say, it is what it is and it is our choice to be there
or not.
Still shaking my head---ni modo
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Bajahowodd
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My two cents:
There are some, relatively few Pemex franchisees, that have gamed the pumps. But the vast majority do not.
This forum, over the years, has identified a handful of stations such as the Southern-most Vizcaino, and one in Santa Rosalia, as perps.
Bottom line, in my opinion, for folks on vacation, if they are going to become apoplectic over maybe los a couple of bucks at a "crooked" Pemex
station, they really ought to stay home where they can get screwed a million ways by the current system.
It's a vacation.
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Leo
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Sorry bajahowodd, it is not a vacation for many. If you live in Baja for 6 months or as some do permanent, it is a lifestyle that needs prudent
spending of money, pesos or dollars.
Still if they clean my front windows, I am happy to give them a the big cartwheel. I hate those 10 peso coins, too big!
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Leo
Sorry bajahowodd, it is not a vacation for many. If you live in Baja for 6 months or as some do permanent, it is a lifestyle that needs prudent
spending of money, pesos or dollars.
Still if they clean my front windows, I am happy to give them a the big cartwheel. I hate those 10 peso coins, too big! |
Actually, I had already given the thought about that.
To distinguish between tourists and full or part time folks, I would have to imagine that people who spend much of their time SOB, would not only
realize if, and where they may be getting ripped off, but could take their business elsewhere, and notify the appropriate authorities.
I go back to my original notion, that for those taking a vacation, losing a couple of bucks, if it happens, is really not worth getting into a
situation that could be threatening to your safety.
Enjoy.
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by preston
If you are infirm or too elderly to pump your own gas you have no business driving. |
Does the same logic apply to people of any age who are allergic to either gas fumes or physical contact with gasoline? 
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
My two cents:
There are some, relatively few Pemex franchisees, that have gamed the pumps. But the vast majority do not.
This forum, over the years, has identified a handful of stations such as the Southern-most Vizcaino, and one in Santa Rosalia, as perps.
Bottom line, in my opinion, for folks on vacation, if they are going to become apoplectic over maybe los a couple of bucks at a "crooked" Pemex
station, they really ought to stay home where they can get screwed a million ways by the current system.
It's a vacation. |
Just one handful?  That would be....hmmmmmmm, a maximum of a whopping grand
total of 5 stations the length of the peninsula! So much for credibility!
Residents don't buy gas a couple times a year, they buy it on a regular basis. The local population's earning power is abysmally low, as is the case
for many foreign retirees. Do you think it's fair for the locals to get ripped off....frequently TWICE....once by the station owner
who has rigged the pumps & again by the pump attendants who intentionally miscalculate &/or short-change customers....change which goes into
their own pockets?
For many, there are greater issues than "a couple of bucks" a couple times a year. There's moral & ethical issues, not to mention the fact that
it's illegal by both Mexican & foreign standards....it's dishonest & it's theft. Would you be quite as accepting of this practice if it
happened every time you filled up at any & all of the local gas stations you frequent?
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To Bajahowodd- I have admitted that the way I handled this was off base and I'm not making excuses for my inexcusable behavior. However, it was not
the amount of money that set me off. On my way to Baja I gassed up in California. I paid $4.27/gallon for 67 gallons. In Mexico I pay around $3.09 so
the $25 sitting on the pump was not the issue. I just don't like to be cheated. For example, a couple of years ago I had a friend that inherited some
gold jewelry. The jewelry didn't have any sentimental value and he decided to sell it. He wanted to get the best price and decided to get three bids.
I took him to a jeweler that I knew. The jeweler weighed his gold and told him he would give him $375/oz. (Gold was selling in the neighborhood of
$1000/oz.) When we questioned the amount he said he was in the business to make money and $375 was all he was willing to pay.(No hard feelings but my
friend hoped to get more.) We than took the same jewelry to a second dealer- same weight and similar price/oz. For the 3rd dealer we took it to a
place that guaranteed highest prices paid etc. When we walked in he said he pd 775/oz. However, when he weighed it he said it weighed about 1/3 of
what the other two jewelers said it weighed. After we confronted him about the weight he re-weighed and said he had made an error and the new weight
was very similar to the first two. However, he wouldn't honor his quote of 775/oz- in fact he reduced the offer/oz to under $375!! Obviously he was a
cheat which was totalling upsetting and even if he had offered $400/oz there was no way my friend would do business with him. As for the first two,
even though their price per oz seemed low we were not in the least upset. I don't get upset over a price that I can either accept or reject, I just
don't want to be lied to and cheated,
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Three weeks, two vehicles and no problems, no rip offs, not a single problem with anything missing or thinking we were shorted. My experience
anyway.....
June 15-July 6th
Turtle girl
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BCSTech
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Another Possibility
OK, I think it's possible that attendant may have tried to rip him off after all. I'll tell you how an attendant pulled this same trick on me a few
years ago in Santa Rosalia.
Got out of the truck and told the attendant to "fill it." As he pulled out the pump, his accomplice behind me asked if I wanted my windshield washed.
Distracted for a few seconds, I turned around. I soon as I turned back around to face my friendly attendant, he casually leaned his left arm against
the post and engaged me in small talk. He had put his arm up in just the right spot so I could not see the pump dial behind it.
Then he stopped "pumping, lowered his arm and removed the nozzle from my gas tank, saying that will be $100 pesos and pointed at the pump. "No," I
said, "I wanted it filled." "OK," he said. "I'll reset the pump and just add the $100 pesos on to the next total.
I knew something was wrong but couldn't figure out what. After I paid and I drove away, I realized that I'd been "had," and how he did it...
While I was being distracted by his accomplice, El Zorro had punched up 100 pesos on the pump but never started it, then put his arm up so I couldn't
see it.
Simple, effective. Boy was I angry and did I feel stupid 
I'm voting for the attempted $274 peso ripoff.
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Bajahowodd
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So maybe I'm a bit naive. But, I always thought that between Pemex, itself, which has a certain responsibilty in regulating its franchisees, and
Profeco, which as a governmant agency, is reponsible to ensure the accuracy of the pumps, the actual number of incidents involving a scam or rip off
would be rather low. After all, those Profeco stamps are affixed to virtually all pumps that I've patronized.
Referencing "legs'" love note to me, I really have to wonder, and certainly not anywhere being an expert in this, given the immense number of Pemex
stations in the La Paz area.....
Are they all ripping off people? Does no government entity, local or federal get involved?
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