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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Referencing "legs'" love note to me, |
What???? You got a love-note from LLiLP?
I am flabbergasted. I want one of those. How did you do this?
OK, Leggy one. If I promise to never call you a fishwife again, will you love-note me?
I whole-heartedly await your reply. [kiss kiss]
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Lee
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Sure looks like Dennis is flirting. Dennis? You in to bar girls?
Seriously folks. This is really old news. Scammers are out there. Esp. at Pemex.
When you get out of your vehicle, having unlocked your gas cap compartment from inside, or have gone outside to unlock the locked gas cap on your
vehicle, look at the pump, tell the attendant how much fuel you want, watch the pump reset, and watch the pump until it stops pumping.
Be aware that anyone blocking the numbers on the pump are probably trying to scam you.
If there are 2 attendants there, and one is blocking the pump numbers, and the other is talking to you, so you'll need to turn to look at him, and
away from the pump, you are most likely being scammed.
What is it about ''scam'' don't you victims understand?
Be focused when you drive into a Pemex and pay attention?
ANYONE getting scammed at Pemex is NOT paying attention.
Dennis pays attention, I bet. Dennis doesn't get scammed.
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BCSTech
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OK, got that already.
Returning to the original question; was absinvestor scammed or not?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
Dennis pays attention, I bet. Dennis doesn't get scammed. |
I like to think you're right, Lee. Thanks.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BCSTech
OK, got that already.
Returning to the original question; was absinvestor scammed or not? |
It's possible he was scammed. He's given it some thought -- if he thinks he was scammed, he probably was. The lesson for him, and us, is to
expect a scam and look for it.
Unfortunate but true, at least for me, but that's just the way it is. Don't think the scammers see it as a big deal. Few pesos here, few pesos
there. Nothing personal.
Don't be lulled into a false sense of security.
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mcfez
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This contraption looks more like a pee test bottle for DENNIS 
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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toneart
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It happens! Abs probably got ripped off. Just be aware and do your best to prevent it.
Graft starts at the top levels of government. It is ingrained into the system and into the culture. Nothing that a few (or more) pesos can't cure. It
is a game.
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preston
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by preston
If you are infirm or too elderly to pump your own gas you have no business driving. |
Business? I think most
folks have no business handling volatile fuels with zero training as is currently the norm in most places. Surprising there aren't
more incidents... |
Hmmmm ... let me see. There are about 250 Million cars in the USA. Assuming they each fill-up on an average of 1 time per week ... that means there
are about 35 million fill-ups per day. Let's assume 90% are self-serve ... that gives us about 30 million people handling volaitile fuels per day.
I've never heard about 1 explosion due to mishandling at the pump (maybe there have been some ... I've just never heard of them).
Seems to me you are more 1,000 times more likely to get killed by lightening than mishandling volatile fuel at a gas station .... hmmmmm
Of course, if you are still concerned, you could have that "professional" (high school kid who is probably high on weed) pump that volatile fuel for
you (who I am absolutely sure has received extensive safety training on how to handle volatile fuels).
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preston
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
| Quote: | Originally posted by preston
If you are infirm or too elderly to pump your own gas you have no business driving. |
Does the same logic apply to people of any age who are allergic to either gas fumes or physical contact with gasoline?  |
Never heard of anyone who is alergic to gasoline. But, let's assume that 1 in 10,000 people are really alergic to gasoline.
Are you suggesting that we force 150 million drivers in the USA to use (pay extra for) full-service to accomodate 15,000 people who are alergic to gas
and cannot use disposible gloves and take care not to breath fumes at the pump? Really?
Or are you suggesting that all gas stations be required by law to offer some pumps with full service?
[Edited on 7-11-2011 by preston]
[Edited on 7-11-2011 by preston]
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preston
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My issue with gas in Mexico is the fact that the government sets the prices. A very low volume operation in a remote area is required to charge the
same price as a high volume station in a more urban area. I do not be-grudge a station in Gonzaga or BOLA for example charging 25% more than one in
Tijuana, Mexicali, etc.
As it is, the low volume operation is in a difficult situation (because of the government) to either be honest and limit his hours of operation (to
keep costs down) or try to make money on other items or services or be dishonest and rig the meters. It's difficult for the low volume operator to
make an honest buck because the government has rigged the game ... I feel for these guys.
As someone pointed out ... a few extra bucks for gas in Baja means nothing to me. I love Baja and the fact that I can get gas at all in these remote
areas is amazing. I just wish the government would make it easier for these guys to make an honest buck.
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preston
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
Job killer? Yes, it would be. It is like where we live in Bahia Asuncion one small street cleaner and one automatic lawnmower would be a lot more
efficient and quicker for cleaning our main street----but it would put about 5 guys out of well needed jobs. Modern inventions don't always improve
the living standard for all. |
Your absolutely right, modern inventions do not improve the standard of living for all (some people are naturally displaced). Modern inventions, do,
however, improve the standard of living for most people. That is progress.
To extend your example to the USA ... would you advocate that we abolish street cleaners and lawnmowers so that more people could be employed? Really?
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David K
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You are so right-on Preston...  
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preston
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So maybe I'm a bit naive. But, I always thought that between Pemex, itself, which has a certain responsibilty in regulating its franchisees, and
Profeco, which as a governmant agency, is reponsible to ensure the accuracy of the pumps, the actual number of incidents involving a scam or rip off
would be rather low. After all, those Profeco stamps are affixed to virtually all pumps that I've patronized.
Referencing "legs'" love note to me, I really have to wonder, and certainly not anywhere being an expert in this, given the immense number of Pemex
stations in the La Paz area.....
Are they all ripping off people? Does no government entity, local or federal get involved? |
Yes, you are naive.
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longlegsinlapaz
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If you Google "allergic to gasoline" & you might discover that your never having heard of it doesn't make it non-existent & you could gain
some factual information.
| Quote: | Originally posted by preston
Are you suggesting that we force 150 million drivers in the USA to use (pay extra for) full-service to accomodate 15,000 people who are alergic to gas
and cannot use disposible gloves and take care not to breath fumes at the pump? Really?
Or are you suggesting that all gas stations be required by law to offer some pumps with full service? |
Of course I wasn't, because for starters, this as a Baja PEMEX-related topic & second I was offering just one example of valid
reasons beyond age or infirmity that many people may choose to frequent stations with attendants.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by preston
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
Job killer? Yes, it would be. It is like where we live in Bahia Asuncion one small street cleaner and one automatic lawnmower would be a lot more
efficient and quicker for cleaning our main street----but it would put about 5 guys out of well needed jobs. Modern inventions don't always improve
the living standard for all. |
Your absolutely right, modern inventions do not improve the standard of living for all (some people are naturally displaced). Modern inventions, do,
however, improve the standard of living for most people. That is progress.
To extend your example to the USA ... would you advocate that we abolish street cleaners and lawnmowers so that more people could be employed? Really?
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Apples and Oranges----
for our society, it is really sad to see how much Ayn Rand has influenced so many. 
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | | for our society, it is really sad to see how much Ayn Rand has influenced so many. |
Amen to that.
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preston
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
If you Google "allergic to gasoline" & you might discover that your never having heard of it doesn't make it non-existent & you could gain
some factual information.
| Quote: | Originally posted by preston
Are you suggesting that we force 150 million drivers in the USA to use (pay extra for) full-service to accomodate 15,000 people who are alergic to gas
and cannot use disposible gloves and take care not to breath fumes at the pump? Really?
Or are you suggesting that all gas stations be required by law to offer some pumps with full service? |
Of course I wasn't, because for starters, this as a Baja PEMEX-related topic & second I was offering just one example of valid
reasons beyond age or infirmity that many people may choose to frequent stations with attendants. |
Sorry if I was a bit too aggressive. I have no problem with people choosing gas stations with or without attendants ... or with gas stations that
choose to offer attendants or not. I do, however, have a problem with the government forcing me to use or not use attendants or the gas station owner
deciding to provide or not provide attendants.
And I don't doubt for a minute that there are many people who are allergic to gasoline to some level.
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preston
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Okay, 150 fires over how long? 25 years?
And how many resulted in deaths? Any?
Are you suggesting that we abolish self serve and leave it up to the minimum wage "professionals"?
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BCSTech
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Here we go, off topic again...
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preston
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by preston
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
Job killer? Yes, it would be. It is like where we live in Bahia Asuncion one small street cleaner and one automatic lawnmower would be a lot more
efficient and quicker for cleaning our main street----but it would put about 5 guys out of well needed jobs. Modern inventions don't always improve
the living standard for all. |
Your absolutely right, modern inventions do not improve the standard of living for all (some people are naturally displaced). Modern inventions, do,
however, improve the standard of living for most people. That is progress.
To extend your example to the USA ... would you advocate that we abolish street cleaners and lawnmowers so that more people could be employed? Really?
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Apples and Oranges----
for our society, it is really sad to see how much Ayn Rand has influenced so many. |
Okay, let's stay in Mexico. Let's say you have an entreprenuerial young man who wants to buy a lawnmower and offer his services to consumers,
businesses and the government. He can mow 5 lawns per day, but will displace 5 men who mow 1 lawn per day manually. Should the Mexican government make
it illegal for this young entreprenuer to use a lawnmower in the name of "more employment"?
I actually have a real life experience in my company's Mexico City office. For the longest time they employed a woman who worked 40 hours per week
cleaning the office. She would sweep all the carpeted floors (very carefully taking 3 or 4 hours per day). When I told them to buy a vacuum cleaner
and use her 2 or 3 days per week ... she quit (she apparently wanted to work full time at one place). Should vacuum cleaners be illegal in Mexico in
the name of "more employment"?
Diana: I'd like to see your list of modern conveniences that you believe should be outlawed in Mexico in the name of "more employment" ... I assume
dishwashers and clothes washers are at the top of your list ... and those silly electro-mechanical tortilla makers would be close behind.
Hell, if we just got rid of electricity and gasoline, that would put an end to these job crushing modern conveniences.
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