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When Mexican tourists are killed in Acapulco, does that hurt Baja tourism?
Does it? Why would it? Does Mexico think it's internal tourists don't count? Will the Mexican tourists afraid of Acapulco now come to Baja? Will
Mexicans go swimming in the water with people shooting at them?
"Two Mexican tourists die in Acapulco gun attack
(AP) ACAPULCO, Mexico — Authorities in Acapulco say two Mexican tourists have been killed in a gun attack at a restaurant on the main oceanfront
avenue in the tourist zone of the Pacific resort. Two other people are wounded.
State police say an undetermined number of attackers fired assault rifles and 9-mm pistols early Saturday into El Zorrito. That's a traditional
Mexican restaurant on the city's main Miguel Aleman boulevard.
The attack came a day after a gunman standing near the shoreline avenue fired at swimmers in the bay, scattering panicked vacationers across the
beach. Authorities say he fired at least 10 shots.
A 38-year-old woman visiting from Mexico City was wounded in the right leg and taken to a hospital.
Police say the gunmen escaped."
Long link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/17/ap/latinamerica/ma...
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rts551
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I think some one said it earlier. There are some who will come to Baja and others who will not. Some for economic reasons, and some because of the
violence. I don't think there is a lot of disagreement about how tourism has dropped off though.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
I don't think there is a lot of disagreement about how tourism has dropped off though. |
True....for sure. It has dropped off although It seems to be turning around. Out here in PB, the tourist traffic is heavier than we've seen it in
years. You can almost see the look of relief in the faces of the merchants. I hate crowds and traffic, but this feels good.
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Hook
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Our town is packed over here but it is all Mexican nationals on vacation. Very few gringos. What's the makeup of those PB tourists, Dennis.
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The Papas & Beer anniversary party has Rosarito Beach hopping this weekend too. I have a Papas & Beer doorman friend who said the US/Mexican
mix was about even. That Club used to market to the US kids only- so their reaching out to Mexican tourists lately has kept them alive, imho. People
at intersections passing out fliers for next weekend's event "Mexicali en la Playa" (last year Pit Bull "Peeeet Booouul" headlined). Baja could market
itself to Mexico City and Monterrey, not just the USA because it is closer. We have a friend flying in from Monterrey next month with a 2000 peso
round-trip fare on Volaris ($180USD)
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I would say when any measure of tourism in Mex
is PRIMARILY gauged by fly in tourists, either US/Canada
or other countries, Europeans being a large %.
I think US West coast tourists can distinguish between
Cabo and Acapulco, not so sure that a US Minnesota
tourist to Mex can. I wonder how much $ is spent,
say per day, on a tourist who drives into Mex as
a tourist who fly's down for vacation? I assume
quite a difference. I'm about 70 no of TJ, I would say
a full 95% of people I know will not drive down,
and these are people who previously would go to
Rosarito/Ensenada regurarly
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Our town is packed over here but it is all Mexican nationals on vacation. Very few gringos. What's the makeup of those PB tourists, Dennis.
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We always get a lot of action from Mexicali, Hook. The heat drives them over here. In the last few years, it seems like all we saw was Baja plates,
but now we're seeing many more from California and some from Arizona. Maybe a 30 US-70 Mex mix would be a good guess.
Things is lookin' up...for certain.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
I think some one said it earlier. There are some who will come to Baja and others who will not. Some for economic reasons, and some because of the
violence. I don't think there is a lot of disagreement about how tourism has dropped off though. |
True but there are some "alarmists" and their ilk that don't want people to make up their own mind if Mexico is too dangerous or for themselves and
their family.
So the "alarmists" decide to make up your mind for you by continuing posting stories about Mexican violence in areas of Mexico that are far away from
the places you want to visit, and in fact you have no plans to visit anytime soon.
The fact is Baja and Acapulco are nowhere near each other, but I guess there aren't local news stories of killings in Baja this week, and so the
"alarmists" will grab any violent news story that happened anywhere in the country of Mexico in order to keep up the perception that Mexico is in a
war zone, and Americans who are stupid enough to visit Mexico are in grave danger of getting killed, kidnapped, robbed, or hurt.
The "alarmists" act on the false belief that Americans don't really know how dangerous Mexico really is. However, for years now news outlets like "Fox
News" and even "SignsOnSanDiego" had plenty of stories on the Mexico drug cartels activities including some of their very violent way, and the news
media outlets also covered kidnappings and multiple killings in a very sensationalized way. What they don't seem cover are the smaller crimes that
you often see in your local papers crime blotters that would have only local interest.
But the "alarmists" continue claiming there is a news blackout about what's really is going on in Mexico with the violence, and the "alarmists" see it
as their duty to warn other Americans to the ugly truth about Mexico's violence.
The "alarmists" goal is too keep you away from Mexico, and often they get extremely upset if you don't heed their advice.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
I think some one said it earlier. There are some who will come to Baja and others who will not. Some for economic reasons, and some because of the
violence. I don't think there is a lot of disagreement about how tourism has dropped off though. |
The "alarmists" goal is too keep you away from Mexico, and often they get extremely upset if you don't heed their advice. |
I think most Nomads would like for more people to stay away actually- so they can have more of Baja to themselves.
[Edited on 7-17-2011 by Woooosh]
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Yes it does hurt baja tourism.
Most tourists don't distinguish Mexican violence by region. If there is violence in Mexico the entire country is treated with suspicion by the vast
majority of tourists. Only veteran tourists know the difference. The others don't care about such 'nuances' and are frequently suspicious of arguments
to the contrary.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
the "alarmists" see it as their duty to warn other Americans to the ugly truth about Mexico's violence.
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Seems like a good thing to me, Joe. If something happens, I want to know about it.
There are three "used to be" desirable destinations that I wouldn't travel to these days due to the excessive, life-threatening crime, Puerto
Vallarta...Mazatlán...and Acapulco. Why would I bother to go there if it's dangerous to leave the hotel?
Without news, I wouldn't even be aware of this because, sure as hell, Mexico won't mention it.
Sooo, Joe....I'm a big fan of the news agencies that keep me informed, but I will say this......when and if they ever start lying to me about these
events, I would like to know about it. I'll count on you to tell me when I'm being deceived.
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joe. give me a break , joe.
There are two sides. I live in Baja and am very aware of the dangers in lets say TJ or Mexicali...or other large cities in Baja. The dangers do
exist so lets not paint too rosey a picture for the novice traveler.
Some will go and some will not....there are two sides to the story
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
There are three "used to be" desirable destinations that I wouldn't travel to these days due to the excessive, life-threatening crime, Puerto
Vallarta...Mazatlán...and Acapulco. ould I bother to go there if it's dangerous to leave the hotel?
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I'm with you on that, I like to get all the news, good/bad,
and make a judgement, but personally I would not list
P Vallarta in the mix of Mex resort areas with excessive
crime, possibly the State of Jalisco that Vallarta is in,
but I don't see where PV would make the list of
dangerous places
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Just a few observations from a very tortured mind:
Casual tourism, as was pictured as the fly-in variety, has taken a major hit as perhaps the majority of folks look at Mexico as a single destination.
Of course, the argument that not visiting New York because there is a serial killer on the loose in Miami, is specious.
Then, given what appears to be an increase in domestic tourism by Mexicans, does help make up for the loss of foreign money. In the case of Acapulco,
it has long become a domestic destination, and has seem fewer and fewer foreign tourists for the last two decades.
Mazatlan, for me, never held an attraction. Of the many tourist destinations in Mexico that I have visited, it would probably rank at the bottom of my
list. And yet, it appears that the crime in Mazatlan, at least as reported by the foreign press, is not cartel related, but rather street crime
directed at tourists, thereby causing several cruise operators to remove Mazatlan fom their itineraries.
As I have relatives who live in Mismaloya, I am somewhat stumped that Dennis included PV on his list of rogue destinations, inasmuch as what has been
reported to me, is mostly business as usual there.
As for the above-reference El Zorrito, It is a somewhat shabby taqueria sporting plastic furniture that never made me think it was a tourist oriented
place.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
As I have relatives who live in Mismaloya, I am somewhat stumped that Dennis included PV on his list of rogue destinations, inasmuch as what has been
reported to me, is mostly business as usual there.
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I don't feel like doing the research right now, but the place has been hot as hell lately. Didn't some of the cruise ships bail out of PV just
recently?
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Bad stories stay around longer--weren't there Cartel shootings in Discos down in PV. Let me guess? Favorite of Hideaway Cartel Jefes/ !! Down
here, word is Cabo/ La Paz is Tranquil?? / protected Mainland Mexican businessmen are supposed to be moving family here as it is safe/ more safe? El Teo thot so> Tio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
Down here, word is Cabo/ La Paz is Tranquil?? / protected Mainland Mexican businessmen are supposed to be moving family here as it is safe/ more
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That's what I am interested in, an "apparent" internal migration of Mexicans from the Mainland to Baja in search of safety. I was only thinking of
tourism until your posts. Thanks Tio.
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How quickly we forget sometimes...
The week in Mexico
November 23, 2008
El Rosario shooting: Baja California's violence reached down to El Rosario, south of San Quintin. A shooting last weekend killed three people in the
small La Mijita restaurant; the proprietor, Elsa Aguilar Gerardo, 43, was mortally wounded in a hail of bullets and died in a Tijuana hospital.
And....who was responsible? and could any of you been in the cafe?
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Don't Worry - Be Happy !
None of it really matters.
Tourism Up - Tourism Down. Businesses boom or close.
No problema.
For those of us not making any money off the trade.
Que sera sera as Doris said.
Do your own thing and, if you stop a bullet or lose your head, that's life. The odds are on your side and, besides, nobody lives forever. For many,
everything worth doing has been done and the rest is just a slide downhill.
Caveat Emptor, Carpe Diem and all that.
Live La Bella Vida as Casey would say.
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Much of it matters to me.
It's a sad thing read all about the drug war in Mexico. Many bystanders of this nightmare has been hurt. From innocent life that got caught in the
wrong place at the wrong time...to the merchants and all related business to that merchant.... lost jobs and lost dreams of many Mexican citizens.
Yes...it should matter to me, and it should matter to you (the reader here)...for we live, play and eat in this wonderful country.
Having said that....
I believe that tourist that are thinking about heading to Baja....is indeed affected by the negative mainland news accounts...whether the stories are
true or not... that to them, Baja "is Mexico". ...so to speak. Many do not go.....waiting for the "war" to cease.
My two cents.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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