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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I have yet to hear other American claim Mexicans are coming to the USA because of drug cartel violence. |
Many do. They escape the threat of kidnapping. You'll have to ask the Presidente de Tijuana why he lives in La Jolla, California.
Lots of wealthy Mexicans are NOB for the same reason...safety.
Kind of blows a hole in all the nonsense from the critics here that say the US is as dangerous as Mexico.
Ask a Mexican. |
I don't have to ask the Mayor of Tijuana why he lives in La Jolla. I could just put myself in his shoes:
Let me see where should I live? Tijuana or La Jolla?
Tough choice there Dennis. And besides the Mayor spent a lot of time living, going to school and working on the US side. So I doubt you could make the
claim he is living in La Jolla because he fears being kidnapped or killed.
Oh although my avatar says I rather be in Tijuana. I think I'd choose La Jolla over Tijuana too.
I doubt you'll get many Mexicans applying for asylum because of violence back home in Mexico. It will only be a handful when you compare it to the
ratio of Mexicans that come to the USA for jobs.
I'm sure a few wealthy Mexicans live in places like La Jolla instead of TJ too for the same reasons as the Tijuana mayor, and I'm sure some are
concerned about being kidnapped because they and their families have lots of money.
However, reading the papers and watching "Fox News" and hearing people talk about the kidnapping stories. Well listening to these types talk, and you
hear it on forums as well. The causal tourists and expats with barely a pot to pee in also believe that they could and will be kidnapped if they visit
the Tijuana/Baja area!
I always have a good laugh hearing causal tourist who live a middle class lifestyle worry about getting kidnapped if they visit the border towns.
I think you should only be worried about being kidnapped if you're are CEO type, a drug cartel member, or a human smuggler, because it's these types
of people that could raise a lot of money and don't always want the cops involved. Yeah I heard they are kidnapping less rich people, but still if I
was a casual tourist or poor expat living on Social Security. I would not worry about being kidnapped.
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Woooosh
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Geesh Joe. I know you posted this at 3am- but do you really think it's OK for the Mayor of Tijuana to live in La Jolla? He should have run for mayor
there then (ok- I know La Jolla doesn't even have a Mayor). Maybe he just wants to be closer to his people.
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The awnser is NO, the more violence in Acapulco, the more tourist we get.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The awnser is NO, the more violence in Acapulco, the more tourist we get. |
Interesting take Jesse, never thought that Mainland violence
would have that effect. If perspective US Tourists to Mex
pay attention to incidents in Mex they will see that the Cape/La Paz are MOSTLY or totally free of the Mainland Cartel war
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The awnser is NO, the more violence in Acapulco, the more tourist we get. |
Interesting take Jesse, never thought that Mainland violence
would have that effect. If perspective US Tourists to Mex
pay attention to incidents in Mex they will see that the Cape/La Paz are MOSTLY or totally free of the Mainland Cartel war |
Look what happened to Monterrey and they thought they would not be impacted. You can only hope it won't come your way, but eventually it will. It's
the whack-a-mole effect and the more they get whacked one place- the more likely they are to move onto someplace new.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The awnser is NO, the more violence in Acapulco, the more tourist we get. |
Interesting take Jesse, never thought that Mainland violence
would have that effect. If perspective US Tourists to Mex
pay attention to incidents in Mex they will see that the Cape/La Paz are MOSTLY or totally free of the Mainland Cartel war |
Look what happened to Monterrey and they thought they would not be impacted. You can only hope it won't come your way, but eventually it will. It's
the whack-a-mole effect and the more they get whacked one place- the more likely they are to move onto someplace new. |
A.-Monterrey is a major metropolitan area, with a huge local drug market.
B.-Monterrey is a major route wich controls the most lucrative drug crossing in the world.
BCS has nothing near as important to fight for.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The awnser is NO, the more violence in Acapulco, the more tourist we get. |
Interesting take Jesse, never thought that Mainland violence
would have that effect. If perspective US Tourists to Mex
pay attention to incidents in Mex they will see that the Cape/La Paz are MOSTLY or totally free of the Mainland Cartel war |
Look what happened to Monterrey and they thought they would not be impacted. You can only hope it won't come your way, but eventually it will. It's
the whack-a-mole effect and the more they get whacked one place- the more likely they are to move onto someplace new. |
A.-Monterrey is a major metropolitan area, with a huge local drug market.
B.-Monterrey is a major route wich controls the most lucrative drug crossing in the world.
BCS has nothing near as important to fight for. |
water routes?
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Woooosh
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More Mexicans Fleeing Drug War Seek USA Asylum
http://news.yahoo.com/more-mexicans-fleeing-drug-war-seek-u-...
excerpt:
"Amid the violence, asylum requests from Mexico reached a record 5,551 last year, according to U.S. government figures, more than a third up on 2006
when President Felipe Calderon took office and sent the military to crush the cartels. Just 165 asylum requests were granted in 2010."
[Edited on 7-20-2011 by Woooosh]
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Bajafun777
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Anytime that any violence where numerous people get killed by automatic weapons tourists get afraid to come to Mexico. I have relatives, friends and
many Mexican friends that will not cross into Mexico anymore due to the violence.
Fear is something that cannot be guaged, as it affects all people different. Friends of mine that I have been experiencing Baja with for over 37
years will no longer cross making it sad for me, as I miss our experiences and fun down here. Still working on them and still encouraging them to
look at the big picture like crime in USA but the thing the keeps coming back at me is the beheadings that just keep them away! Too bad I miss them
here and wished they were still coming down. Take Care & Travel Safe------ "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajafun777
Fear is something that cannot be guaged, as it affects all people different. |
Two kinds of fear, rational and irrational with various degrees of each.
In my estimation, Mexico instills a rational fear in those concerned with self-preservation. With all of the unknowns of the crime situation,
what....who....when.....where, that fear should be off the charts. Anything less is putting one's life in the hands of fate.
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!!!!incoming!!!
| Quote: | | [That's what I am interested in, an "apparent" internal migration of Mexicans from the Mainland to Baja in search of safety. |
I've met several Mexicans from the mainland who told me they had moved their families to Baja because it was 'safer'. These were younger folks with
kids we talked to around Loreto.
EdZ
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stay safe out there
| Quote: | [.... I have relatives, friends and many Mexican friends that will not cross into Mexico anymore due to the violence.
.... Take Care & Travel Safe------ "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777 |
Friends from Mexico City and Northern Baja have had family members kidnapped. In one case after spending a lot of money my friends never got their
Dad's body back. They can't believe I'm still going to Baja.
EdZ
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EdZeranski
| Quote: | | [That's what I am interested in, an "apparent" internal migration of Mexicans from the Mainland to Baja in search of safety. |
I've met several Mexicans from the mainland who told me they had moved their families to Baja because it was 'safer'. These were younger folks with
kids we talked to around Loreto.
EdZ |
The cost of living in Baja is much higher than on the mainland, so these people are taking a financial risk in search of safety for their families
too. My family in Torreon is almost at the tipping point where some in the family want to move to Rosarito permanently. They are def spending more
time here with us than in the past- now that the violence is taking that city over. If it wasn't for my nephew being water-boarded here by the
Military- they'd be headed here already I think.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
More Mexicans Fleeing Drug War Seek USA Asylum
http://news.yahoo.com/more-mexicans-fleeing-drug-war-seek-u-...
excerpt:
"Amid the violence, asylum requests from Mexico reached a record 5,551 last year, according to U.S. government figures, more than a third up on 2006
when President Felipe Calderon took office and sent the military to crush the cartels. Just 165 asylum requests were granted in 2010."
[Edited on 7-20-2011 by Woooosh] |
I wonder how many of those asylum requests were fake?
I bet the majority of those asylum applications were fake or the asylum applicants was unable to prove their case, and were most likely BS? I would
imagine many immigration lawyers and "poser" lawyers and immigrants themselves are trying to "game" the system by trying to claim some type of
political asylum and how their very life is in danger if they remain in their home country and can't come to the USA.
Well whatever the case is. It doesn't look like the USA is granting many asylum requests, because that's a pretty dismal record of approving just 165
applications out of 5551 asylum applications.
I wish I was better at math to do the calculations because it means the USA is turning their backs on about 5400 people who will now face certain
death in their home country if their asylum applications are true.
Lets not forget the Afraid Maid who accused the IMF chief DSK of sexual assault. She claimed she was gang raped in her home country and couldn't go
back!
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Woooosh
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They face certain death in Mexico Joe?
"I wish I was better at math to do the calculations because it means the USA is turning their backs on about 5400 people who will now face certain
death in their home country if their asylum applications are true. "
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I think the fact that no one ever gets caught, affects all of Mexico, the criminals can do anything they want and never or almost never pay the
consequence.
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That Was Mazatlan
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
As I have relatives who live in Mismaloya, I am somewhat stumped that Dennis included PV on his list of rogue destinations, inasmuch as what has been
reported to me, is mostly business as usual there.
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I don't feel like doing the research right now, but the place has been hot as hell lately. Didn't some of the cruise ships bail out of PV just
recently? |
And because of a surge in local street crime against tourists; not cartel related.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
That was Mazatlan.
And because of a surge in local street crime against tourists; not cartel related. |
http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/post/2011/06/princess-cru...
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DENNIS
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Bump for Howard. I'm sure he wants to see it.
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