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sanquintinsince73
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Americans in Mexico
VALPARAISO, Chile — According to data from the US State Department, the first six months of 2011 represented the most deadly period of the past eight
years for US citizens in Mexico.
From January 4 to June 11 of this year, 65 Americans were killed in Mexico, a 300 percent increase since 2003. This figure comes from La Opinion,
which gained access to a report compiled by the US State Department. As the paper notes, the actual number of deaths may be higher in reality, as the
figures only refer to voluntarily reported deaths.
Still, the numbers reveal some noteworthy patterns about the most dangerous places, statistically, for Americans in the country. The report found that
Baja California, Tamaulipas, Chihuahua, Sonora, and Sinaloa have been the site of most of the violence, with a third of the deaths occurring in the
border cities of Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana.
In its most recent travel advisory, issued on April 22, the State Department also warned US citizens to exercise extreme caution when traveling to the
states of Michoacán, Durango, Zacatecas, San Luis Potosí, Guerrero, and Jalisco. Nevertheless, the State Department warning points out that “there is
no evidence that US tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship,” a reminder that attacks on Americans are usually
opportunistic, and not systemic in nature.
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Woooosh
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They didn't count the two Americans killed near me in Rosarito last month. Not a word in the press about them being American. The real number is
higher, just as the article states... "the actual number of deaths may be higher in reality, as the figures only refer to voluntarily reported
deaths."
Now why would Mexico voluntarily report American deaths in times like these? Only if they have to...
[Edited on 11-3-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
They didn't even count two Americans killed near me in Rosarito last month. Not a word in the press they were American. The real number is higher,
jst as the article states... "the actual number of deaths may be higher in reality, as the figures only refer to voluntarily reported deaths."
Why would Mexico voluntarily report them in times like these? Only if they have to... |
I got it off of MSN. Maybe those are official State Dept. statistics and not Mexico's....who knows.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
VALPARAISO, Chile — According to data from the US State Department, the first six months of 2011 represented the most deadly period of the past eight
years for US citizens in Mexico.
From January 4 to June 11 of this year, 65 Americans were killed in Mexico, a 300 percent increase since 2003. This figure comes from La Opinion,
which gained access to a report compiled by the US State Department. As the paper notes, the actual number of deaths may be higher in reality, as the
figures only refer to voluntarily reported deaths.
Still, the numbers reveal some noteworthy patterns about the most dangerous places, statistically, for Americans in the country. The report found that
Baja California, Tamaulipas, Chihuahua, Sonora, and Sinaloa have been the site of most of the violence, with a third of the deaths occurring in the
border cities of Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana.
In its most recent travel advisory, issued on April 22, the State Department also warned US citizens to exercise extreme caution when traveling to the
states of Michoacán, Durango, Zacatecas, San Luis Potosí, Guerrero, and Jalisco. Nevertheless, the State Department warning points out that “there is
no evidence that US tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship,” a reminder that attacks on Americans are usually
opportunistic, and not systemic in nature. |
Is this supposed to make us feel better?
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David K
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Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship?
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship? |
I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship....
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David K
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Me too...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship? |
I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship.... |
You mean, like Robert Paul Frey and Gary Louis Barlow? Their bodies are not even cold yet and you have already insulted their lives and thrown them
under the bus, just to protect your image of Mexico.
Que poco madre.
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Only fools think USA is super safer than Baja
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship? |
I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship.... |
You mean, like Robert Paul Frey and Gary Louis Barlow? Their bodies are not even cold yet and you have already insulted their lives and thrown them
under the bus, just to protect your image of Mexico.
Que poco madre. |
Ya nutz Mengano (or is it Fulano?) I rather live in Baja than SANTA ANA, Calif
SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — A disgruntled father charged with murdering his ex-wife and seven others confessed to police that he shot up a Seal Beach
hair salon after arguing over custody of his 8-year-old son, court papers show.
Shortly after his arrest, shooting suspect Scott Dekraai told an investigator he argued with his ex-wife Michelle Fournier by phone the morning of
Oct. 12, then took three handguns with extra magazines and ammunition and donned a bulletproof vest and drove to a nearby beach where he got out and
pondered shooting her, according to a statement in support of a search warrant filed in Orange County Superior Court.
[Edited on 11-3-2011 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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The rest of the story
Unfortunately, we do not get the rest of the story about the deaths of Americans in Mexico.....just the headlines. Little or no follow up on these
deaths......background on victims, cause/manner of death, arrests of suspects......
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship? |
I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship.... |
And DK says "Me too"
What a foolish response from you DK. Paint all of the victims as criminals.
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Sh*t happens everywhere. But it attracts more attention from the press when it happens in Mexico. How much do you hear about the drastic rise in crime
in Italy, or the drug related violence along the U.S./Canadian border.
Although I must admit that there are less beheadings in those places. But dead is dead. Head or no head.
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When US Citizens are listed as killed in Mex,
one has to do the Political Correct dance,
one may be born in the US but have direct ties
to Mex, and as mentioned SOMETIMES to criminal elements. The leading cause of Americans killed in a foreign
country has often been vehicle accidents, don't know if that was included in the #
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship? |
I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship.... |
And DK says "Me too"
What a foolish response from you DK. Paint all of the victims as criminals. |
Spin answers however you like. Normal Nomads can figure out what I said, and no painting at all. Unlike you, I don't think Mexico is too dangerous a
place to vacation and that American are targets of crime.
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What a foolish response from you DK. Paint all of the victims as criminals. |
DK is right a fair share of the time. Sometimes, confused, but allowed his opinion....none the less.
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Cut to the chase. The Americans involved in violence are probably white. Can't see brown skinned people ID'd as American while in Baja. So,
it might seem that whites have a strike against them out the gate. Think blending in helps. Money too.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
Cut to the chase. The Americans involved in violence are probably white. Can't see brown skinned people ID'd as American while in Baja. So,
it might seem that whites have a strike against them out the gate. Think blending in helps. Money too. |
The American killed near me last week was a black American with a 10 year old son and a military Vet. He was also a drug dealer.
Whites and Blacks- two strikes...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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He was also a drug dealer.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
Cut to the chase. The Americans involved in violence are probably white. Can't see brown skinned people ID'd as American while in Baja. So,
it might seem that whites have a strike against them out the gate. Think blending in helps. Money too. |
The American killed near me last week was a black American with a 10 year old son and a military Vet. He was also a drug dealer.
Whites and Blacks- two strikes... |
No loss to us then....too bad for the boy though
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship? |
I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship.... |
And DK says "Me too"
What a foolish response from you DK. Paint all of the victims as criminals. |
Spin answers however you like. Normal Nomads can figure out what I said, and no painting at all. Unlike you, I don't think Mexico is too dangerous a
place to vacation and that American are targets of crime. |
What spin are you talking about? Did you not suggest and then agree that the murder victims were all drug runners? Go back and read your posts.
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Me too......dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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