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Cities DO not tell their officers to go out a write tickets for violations.
What they do ask of their officers is to DO THEIR JOBS.
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You mean to say, the "Quota" reference to traffic law enforcement is all a myth? Probably so...huh.
But, that can't be to say that any given city will not have a tacit level of intensity for which to enforce the law...can it? There has to be a
level, a benchmark for law interpretation in the field, and that level is set by administration from overly permissive to Draconian. Otherwise, the
cop on the street will be relegated to a roving legal system, without constraints, to punish or forgive as he sees fit at the moment. Freelance law
enforcement....so to speak.
Police may not be told to write, write, write, but if they don't to an accepted level, their next writing may be on a job application. His proper roll
for his own job security falls somewhere between Barney Fife and Serpico, and that place is unspoken, but well defined.
Now....I'm just talkin' and wonderin' here. No accusations or anything like that so please don't take any offense to my questions. You'll know,
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There is NO quota system for writing tickets.
What there is, is a firm requirement that the officers do their jobs. Some supervisors may stress more vigilent enforcement than others but I can
guarantee you that no sergeant or lieutenant in charge of a squad of officers is going to utter one word about "Hey Joe, I want to see 5 citations out
of you today"
Officer X, who puts in a 40 hour week behind the wheel of a police car "should" be issuing traffic citations as part of his/her job.....it's what they
get paid for.
All part of the "protect" slogan....and depending on who your speaking with, not so much the "serve" part.
As stated before, if they are not, why not?..are they timid, lazy, blind or just what is the problem that your not seeing violations when all your
other peer officers are?
If that very low enforcement level continues, while others are "up to par" officer X will be counseled as to why.
The MYTH of officers having a "quota" is just that.....a myth.
If you get stopped for doing 85mph on an interstate, when the maximum limit is 70 and you get a citation, surely you don't whine and complain the
officer is just meeting his quota?
If you make a right turn in violation of a sign and get a ticket, is that just filling a quota because you think it's chicken sheet?
I could care less about you being offensive and it has nothing to do with how obnoxious you are or are not. Nothing personal for sure Mr Dennis.
Quotas do not exist.....only in the minds of those who tried to beat the law and lost are they a "quota" |
Behind the public..there IS the ol' quota. Mmmmmm, let's see...I was very involved with San Francisco and Sacramento cops....had dinner
together...came into my Nightclubs...Hell...we fished together. This conversation came up a few times...and yes...they were told to get the ticket
count up.
Here's proof of one city that been doing it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/12/lapd-ticket-quota_n...
[Edited on 11-21-2011 by mcfez] |
Writing tickets is part of the job for police officers. It comes with the territory along with arrests, investigations and reporting. A traffic
officer and a beat cop, to a lesser degree MUST write citations. I hate to keep beating on this but it is part of the job.
Don't write any and your going to get told "bring up your citation count".
Or write very few in comparison to your other fellow officers and your going to be asked to get your citation count up.
Not only citations but "contacts" in general.
Damn....it's a part of the job!! It's the officers duty to enforce laws. Not look the other way because someone is going to whine and snivel about the
fine or insurance consequences or marital bliss.
Bringing up the citation count or contact count is MILES away from being "mandated" to write more.
Did you, in your nightclub business, ever ask your servers to be attentive and push another drink when they noticed a glass half empty?
Push more drinks or we will find someone else who will?
It's a job performance issue...you can't be on the street for 8 or 10 hours and NOT see several violations that should be given a ticket.
If I was a supervisor and one of my officer charges was low on his citations and contacts overall, you bet your axx I am going to counsel him/her to
get those contacts up and find out why they are constantly low.
It's my JOB as a supervisor to increase production.
Yes some supervisors might be overzealous to some degree...everyone has a human element and those directions might be misconstrued to mean "quota"
Again.....counseling or suggesting to get the citations or contacts up (a job requirement by the way) is a FAR cry from imposing mandates and
demanding the increase of citations as a condition of employment.
Indeed, there may be a few VERY rare instances of supervision or management gone wild and impose what might be construed as a quota.
However, that style of management has gone out the window with the writing of laws that are intended to prevent just that thing.
Bottom line it is VERY rare (in CA) for any municipality or county to have imposed a hard and fast ticket quota.
An officer has to listen to more crap about this and that and why and how come so much......the LAST thing he needs is to be knocked on by someone who
"perceives" he is just getting his "quota" when in fact, he/her is just doing the job your paying them to do.
Those who whine the most about quotas are more than likely those who got a citation and felt it was chickensheet and pleaded with the officer to give
him/her a break and the officer actually.......did his job!! |
While I do indeed respect your viewpoints given here......
And am glad that you are one of the many decent upholders of the law....
Reality of life is that most cities do indeed have quotas ....perhaps legally define with fancy words....but in many cases just outright.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10quotas.html?pag... |
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Quota Counseling
Not too many years back, visiting in Florida, there was a newspaper article regarding the small-town Police-Chiefs in Florida and Georgia whose pay
was (partially ?) funded by a percentage of Fines levied. It was noted that MANY were EXTREMELY well-paid.
Think THOSE Deputies had a Quota-system ? Or, were simply "counseled" to do their jobs well ?
BTW, driving the rural roads down there, it's incredible how often the Speed Limit changes SUDDENLY from 50-60 to 15-20 for "seemingly" no reason well
in advance of entering the Business/Residential district.
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THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW
You said this:
There is NO quota system for writing tickets.
What there is, is a firm requirement that the officers do their jobs. Some supervisors may stress more vigilent enforcement than others but I can
guarantee you that no sergeant or lieutenant in charge of a squad of officers is going to utter one word about "Hey Joe, I want to see 5 citations out
of you today"
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Good Gods man...you declared this isn't happening....yet it is blasted through out the nation's newspapers that it IS indeed happening. Get updated on
the current events.
I seriously doubt that you have first hand knowledge of what's happening in every city concerning this ON GOING issue.....dont take my word...and I'll
certainly wont take your foolish wishful statement above ......it's clear as day with all the reports that this is happening. Perhaps you are Sheriff
Andrew "Andy" Jackson Taylor with the Mayberry Police Department....where all is good and evil does not exist. Ah...yes...and those chicken dinners on
Sundays with the family.
Next I suppose you be telling us that... the Rampart scandal concerning the CRASH program was bogus.
70 cops implicated. ....and folks just like you...... said this sort of thing just NEVER happens ...........then that exploded in the newspapers
(oh...and off the internet) 
Is your name Capt. Dolt?
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For what it is worth (again) I will repeat, ad infinitum, in my 30+ years of Law Enforcement all over this Nation I NEVER saw any examples of a
"quota" being pushed or implimented-----period.
I was a city cop, a County Sheriff Deputy, and a Federal Officer, both in the field and as a supervisor.
You all believe what you want to believe.
Barry
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Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
For what it is worth (again) I will repeat, ad infinitum, in my 30+ years of Law Enforcement all over this Nation I NEVER saw any examples of a
"quota" being pushed or implimented-----period.
I was a city cop, a County Sheriff Deputy, and a Federal Officer, both in the field and as a supervisor.
You all believe what you want to believe.
Barry |
Sure Barry....
I assume that since you live in Redding ....you work with the R.P.D. Funny.....that there major issues coming out of the R.P.D. about abuse.....false
charges ...... police misconduct ...... entrapment....and most likely speeding ticket quotas.
Fact is ...it's so bad up there...a Blogg is in effect (oh geese...from the web that anyone can attain from).
http://policingthepoliceofreddingca.blogspot.com/
"I know there is plenty of people out there in the Redding area who have been victims of the R.P.D. Redding Police Dept. Or The Shasta County Sheriff.
We Desperately need your help! If you feel the Police were wrong in how the R.P.D. Or Shasta County Sheriff treated you, Or If you or someone you love
or know was arrested and had False Charges , Police Misconduct or Entrapment by these "peace" officers"
Good job Barry. Good job. Now....why dont you go fill some quotas.
Hard to believe that you would profess to being a cop over the internet...............my friends and family member would never do a foolish thing like
that. Sure you are a law enforcement agent?
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez]
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Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
For what it is worth (again) I will repeat, ad infinitum, in my 30+ years of Law Enforcement all over this Nation I NEVER saw any examples of a
"quota" being pushed or implimented-----period.
I was a city cop, a County Sheriff Deputy, and a Federal Officer, both in the field and as a supervisor.
You all believe what you want to believe.
Barry |
Sure Barry....
I assume that since you live in Redding ....you work with the R.P.D. Funny.....that there major issues coming out of the R.P.D. about abuse.....false
charges ...... police misconduct ...... entrapment....and most likely speeding ticket quotas.
Fact is ...it's so bad up there...a Blogg is in effect (oh geese...from the web that anyone can attain from).
http://policingthepoliceofreddingca.blogspot.com/
"I know there is plenty of people out there in the Redding area who have been victims of the R.P.D. Redding Police Dept. Or The Shasta County Sheriff.
We Desperately need your help! If you feel the Police were wrong in how the R.P.D. Or Shasta County Sheriff treated you, Or If you or someone you love
or know was arrested and had False Charges , Police Misconduct or Entrapment by these "peace" officers"
Good job Barry. Good job. Now....why dont you go fill some quotas.
Hard to believe that you would profess to being a cop over the internet...............my friends and family member would never do a foolish thing like
that. Sure you are a law enforcement agent?
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez] |
   Never with
Redding, and I know nothing about them. Retired for 15 years from the Feds, so not current-----just stating my previous experience.
Barry
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Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
For what it is worth (again) I will repeat, ad infinitum, in my 30+ years of Law Enforcement all over this Nation I NEVER saw any examples of a
"quota" being pushed or implimented-----period.
I was a city cop, a County Sheriff Deputy, and a Federal Officer, both in the field and as a supervisor.
You all believe what you want to believe.
Barry |
Sure Barry....
I assume that since you live in Redding ....you work with the R.P.D. Funny.....that there major issues coming out of the R.P.D. about abuse.....false
charges ...... police misconduct ...... entrapment....and most likely speeding ticket quotas.
Fact is ...it's so bad up there...a Blogg is in effect (oh geese...from the web that anyone can attain from).
http://policingthepoliceofreddingca.blogspot.com/
"I know there is plenty of people out there in the Redding area who have been victims of the R.P.D. Redding Police Dept. Or The Shasta County Sheriff.
We Desperately need your help! If you feel the Police were wrong in how the R.P.D. Or Shasta County Sheriff treated you, Or If you or someone you love
or know was arrested and had False Charges , Police Misconduct or Entrapment by these "peace" officers"
Good job Barry. Good job. Now....why dont you go fill some quotas.
Hard to believe that you would profess to being a cop over the internet...............my friends and family member would never do a foolish thing like
that. Sure you are a law enforcement agent?
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez] |
   Never with
Redding, and I know nothing about them. Retired for 15 years from the Feds, so not current-----just stating my previous experience.
Barry |
Retired for 15 years !!!!!!!!
Oh Gods.......I rest my case.
You haven't been inside of a police department for well over...... 30 years. That tells me one thing...you
really dont have a real clue about current policy!
Go back 15 years ...you served the Feds ...what...10-15 years?
So that makes it that you were a city cop 30 some odd years ago! Yeah Barry....you got current information
          
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez]
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Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
You said this:
There is NO quota system for writing tickets.
What there is, is a firm requirement that the officers do their jobs. Some supervisors may stress more vigilent enforcement than others but I can
guarantee you that no sergeant or lieutenant in charge of a squad of officers is going to utter one word about "Hey Joe, I want to see 5 citations out
of you today"
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Good Gods man...you declared this isn't happening....yet it is blasted through out the nation's newspapers that it IS indeed happening. Get updated on
the current events.
I seriously doubt that you have first hand knowledge of what's happening in every city concerning this ON GOING issue.....dont take my word...and I'll
certainly wont take your foolish wishful statement above ......it's clear as day with all the reports that this is happening. Perhaps you are Sheriff
Andrew "Andy" Jackson Taylor with the Mayberry Police Department....where all is good and evil does not exist. Ah...yes...and those chicken dinners on
Sundays with the family.
Next I suppose you be telling us that... the Rampart scandal concerning the CRASH program was bogus.
70 cops implicated. ....and folks just like you...... said this sort of thing just NEVER happens ...........then that exploded in the newspapers
(oh...and off the internet) 
Is your name Capt. Dolt? |
Remember now, were talking about "quotas" and not other forms of malfeasance.
And you cite two isolated incidents and now it's "blasted thought out the nations newspapers"...which is hyperbole in the extreme.
And furthermore, when you personally berate someone, resort to calling them names and belittle them......you LOST the battle dude.
Heck it might even be a violations of the terms of use on here.
You should check on that.
Have a better go next time.
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Oh Gosh McFez.....you belittle them
Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
You said this:
There is NO quota system for writing tickets.
What there is, is a firm requirement that the officers do their jobs. Some supervisors may stress more vigilent enforcement than others but I can
guarantee you that no sergeant or lieutenant in charge of a squad of officers is going to utter one word about "Hey Joe, I want to see 5 citations out
of you today"
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Good Gods man...you declared this isn't happening....yet it is blasted through out the nation's newspapers that it IS indeed happening. Get updated on
the current events.
I seriously doubt that you have first hand knowledge of what's happening in every city concerning this ON GOING issue.....dont take my word...and I'll
certainly wont take your foolish wishful statement above ......it's clear as day with all the reports that this is happening. Perhaps you are Sheriff
Andrew "Andy" Jackson Taylor with the Mayberry Police Department....where all is good and evil does not exist. Ah...yes...and those chicken dinners on
Sundays with the family.
Next I suppose you be telling us that... the Rampart scandal concerning the CRASH program was bogus.
70 cops implicated. ....and folks just like you...... said this sort of thing just NEVER happens ...........then that exploded in the newspapers
(oh...and off the internet) 
Is your name Capt. Dolt? |
Remember now, were talking about "quotas" and not other forms of malfeasance.
And you cite two isolated incidents and now it's "blasted thought out the nations newspapers"...which is hyperbole in the extreme.
And furthermore, when you personally berate someone, resort to calling them names and belittle them......you LOST the battle dude.
Heck it might even be a violations of the terms of use on here.
You should check on that.
Have a better go next time. |
No your wrong again.....MOST cities DO NOT have quotas.
That is the reality of life you refuse to acknowledge.
You plucked a couple off cases off the internet and now most all cities have quotas?
Are you stuck in hyperbole?
I am wrong "again"? Wow...you are putting me down as though I am never correct..I feel so belittled by you. "Are you stuck in hyperbole"....geese...so
you are making a statement that I am clueless....you belittled me.
Oh oh ...it's a Jr Nomad that never belittles anyone here 
For a Jr that has less than 25 postings (mostly just replies)....you are going to lecture me about the "the terms of use" and the why I go about
speaking my mind here at the BN forums? Oh geeze little man...get a real life.
The use of "plucked a couple off cases off the internet" for my viewpoint......well....would you prefer for me to just copy ALL of the 1000's of cases
and paste them here for your fine reading?
I never resort to name calling....Barney.
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I thought I posted this last night, but must have failed to hit the "POST" button.
Anyway....perhaps, if you guys quit using the word "quota", this discussion might move forward. It seems to be a sticking point. Maybe try to call it
something else because I think you may be in agreeance on a lot of things until that rigid, inflexible term enters the picture.
"Can't we all just get along?"      
Gawwwwdammmm...I'm funny as hell this morning. Crack myself up. "Get along"...   
OK....Carry on.
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Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I thought I posted this last night, but must have failed to hit the "POST" button.
Anyway....perhaps, if you guys quit using the word "quota", this discussion might move forward. It seems to be a sticking point. Maybe try to call it
something else because I think you may be in agreeance on a lot of things until that rigid, inflexible term enters the picture.
"Can't we all just get along?"      
Gawwwwdammmm...I'm funny as hell this morning. Crack myself up. "Get along"...   
OK....Carry on. |
Good Morning DENNIS!
I get along with ALL here :-) You do too :-) Hell...we should be a team 
Yeah...I'm done.
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Quote: | Good Morning DENNIS!
I get along with ALL here :-) You do too :-) Hell...we should be a team 
Yeah...I'm done. |
"Thanks Gods" This was getting way out there.
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Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I get along with ALL here :-) You do too :-) Hell...we should be a team 
Yeah...I'm done. |
We ARE a team, Deno. Hell.....don't quit now.
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Quote: | Originally posted by dirtbikr
I would rather pay mordida than have my insurance rates go up, I wish cops accepted them here! |
You will have to explain that one to me------Insurance vs Mordida??????? apples and oranges, to me.
In 55 years of travel in Mexico I have NEVER paid any "mordida" and wouldn't-------EVER!!!! Those that do appear to me to be part of the problem.
And yes, it that makes me "holier than thou", so be it. 
Barry |
I am with you Barry. I haven't paid a bribe in fifteen years. I'm not a very good driver and I have been pulled over many of times for legit reasons
for things like running a stop sign, talking on my cell phone while driving, etc. Usually they give me a warning, sometimes I go to the
headquarters and pay a fine. Running a red light is 100 pesos and I get a receipt.
If you pay bribes you only need to look in the mirror to find the problem.
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Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
For what it is worth (again) I will repeat, ad infinitum, in my 30+ years of Law Enforcement all over this Nation I NEVER saw any examples of a
"quota" being pushed or implimented-----period.
I was a city cop, a County Sheriff Deputy, and a Federal Officer, both in the field and as a supervisor.
You all believe what you want to believe.
Barry |
Sure Barry....
I assume that since you live in Redding ....you work with the R.P.D. Funny.....that there major issues coming out of the R.P.D. about abuse.....false
charges ...... police misconduct ...... entrapment....and most likely speeding ticket quotas.
Fact is ...it's so bad up there...a Blogg is in effect (oh geese...from the web that anyone can attain from).
http://policingthepoliceofreddingca.blogspot.com/
"I know there is plenty of people out there in the Redding area who have been victims of the R.P.D. Redding Police Dept. Or The Shasta County Sheriff.
We Desperately need your help! If you feel the Police were wrong in how the R.P.D. Or Shasta County Sheriff treated you, Or If you or someone you love
or know was arrested and had False Charges , Police Misconduct or Entrapment by these "peace" officers"
Good job Barry. Good job. Now....why dont you go fill some quotas.
Hard to believe that you would profess to being a cop over the internet...............my friends and family member would never do a foolish thing like
that. Sure you are a law enforcement agent?
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez] |
   Never with
Redding, and I know nothing about them. Retired for 15 years from the Feds, so not current-----just stating my previous experience.
Barry |
Retired for 15 years !!!!!!!!
Oh Gods.......I rest my case.
You haven't been inside of a police department for well over...... 30 years. That tells me one thing...you
really dont have a real clue about current policy!
Go back 15 years ...you served the Feds ...what...10-15 years?
So that makes it that you were a city cop 30 some odd years ago! Yeah Barry....you got current information
          
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez] |
Ahhhh, errrrr, Fez------go back and read my posts------I NEVER said anything about "current" policy. I simply was stating MY EXPERIENCES while in Law
Enforcement. You never asked "when" that happened, but I thought I was pretty clear about that.
All the assumptions some people make always puzzle me-------but they are pretty funny, too.
Carry on!!! 
Barry
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Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
You all believe what you want to believe.
Barry |
Sure Barry....
I assume that since you live in Redding ....you work with the R.P.D. Funny.....that there major issues coming out of the R.P.D. about abuse.....false
charges ...... police misconduct ...... entrapment....and most likely speeding ticket quotas.
Fact is ...it's so bad up there...a Blogg is in effect (oh geese...from the web that anyone can attain from).
http://policingthepoliceofreddingca.blogspot.com/
"I know there is plenty of people out there in the Redding area who have been victims of the R.P.D. Redding Police Dept. Or The Shasta County Sheriff.
We Desperately need your help! If you feel the Police were wrong in how the R.P.D. Or Shasta County Sheriff treated you, Or If you or someone you love
or know was arrested and had False Charges , Police Misconduct or Entrapment by these "peace" officers"
Good job Barry. Good job. Now....why dont you go fill some quotas.
Hard to believe that you would profess to being a cop over the internet...............my friends and family member would never do a foolish thing like
that. Sure you are a law enforcement agent?
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez] |
   Never with
Redding, and I know nothing about them. Retired for 15 years from the Feds, so not current-----just stating my previous experience.
Barry |
Ahhhh, errrrr, Fez------go back and read my posts------I NEVER said anything about "current" policy. I simply was stating MY EXPERIENCES while in Law
Enforcement. You never asked "when" that happened, but I thought I was pretty clear about that.
All the assumptions some people make always puzzle me-------but they are pretty funny, too.
Carry on!!! 
Barry |
Barry........it's like trying to talk to a cat.....all they hear is blah, blah, blah.......interesting how all of these law enforcement policy and
procedure experts have the training, education and experience to know what they are talking about....real "expert witnesses".......
When I was a young trooper, we were told we never had a ticket quota....we could write as many as we wanted!!
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Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Gawwwwdammmm...I'm funny as hell this morning. |
D, Your're reading your own material? I'm with Mcfez,
he's making an observation, the other guy is trying
to defend his bias position, which he is INVESTED in,
Msfez doesn't have a stake or MOTIVE
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Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Ahhhh, errrrr, Fez------go back and read my posts------I NEVER said anything about "current" policy. I simply was stating MY EXPERIENCES while in Law
Enforcement. You never asked "when" that happened, but I thought I was pretty clear about that.
All the assumptions some people make always puzzle me-------but they are pretty funny, too.
Carry on!!! 
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Barry A.
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posted on 11-21-2011 at 06:54 PM
GnuKid-----------Im my 30 + years in Law Enforcement, both as a street cop in San Diego and a Supervisor in Federal Law Enforcement I have NEVER
encountered "quotas", nor have I EVER encountered "evidence planting". D Does it happen???------maybe-----but never
to my knowledge did it happen. Period!!!!!
Sure Barney...er Barry
First off....you say quotas dont happen.....then you say maybe it does....but not on YOUR watch I find that your statements are defensive.....passing the buck.....blind eye............ to the circus of any
police organization. To say you never heard the "wrongs" of the internal police department doings...in 30 years worth of service...is bogus. Feed us
here some stories that actually might make sense.....like that UFO landing in Redding ......to steal cows from that pasture. Oh Moooooo!
You use of the words "I used to be a cop".....
It read as thought you were with the Police Department....till recently retired. Well...in reality to your much latter statements here in this
post..."I was a Fed 15 years ago....(so you worked there for what...15+ years?).....then I was a Sheriff (what...another 5+ years....FBI hires Sheriff
s preferable)....so that makes it that you were doing a city beat some 35 plus years ago! Yeah Barney....deception...just like they do.....giving
orders to write more tickets.
I'm done here....or thought I was. If you wish to carry this out in Off Topics...I be more than happy to go there with you.
Bajaguy....it's like trying to talk to a cat.....all they hear is blah, blah, blah..
Well.....it's really like this:....talking to some old dog.....all they do is bark bark bark when there's nothing there :-)
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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McFez----------most of what you write in the above 'post' I don't think I understand---------and again you are making many wrong assumptions.
Once more, let me try to be clear:
(1) In my experience while in LE I never encountered "quotas".
(2) I have been retired from Federal LE for almost 16 years.
(3) I was in Federal LE for 29 years. (late '67 to '96)
(4) I was briefly with the Riverside County Sheriff's Academy as both a student and instructor in 1975 (while a Fed officer)
(5) I was a city cop with the City of San Diego in 1960 for about a year, and then transferred into Federal Law Enforcement in 1967.
IN ALL THAT TIME I NEVER ENCOUNTERED "QUOTAS"-----PERIOD.
Barry
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Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
IN ALL THAT TIME I NEVER ENCOUNTERED "QUOTAS"-----PERIOD.
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There's that word again. I guess everyone wants to use it, so I make a suggestion; there are quotas, but they just don't have a specific number.
It will, however, be revealed should some donut muncher fall short of it.
DaliDali put it this way: "It's just like any other profession....either produce or were going to counsel you on why your not."
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