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3 Principles of Self-Defense
Just stumbled onto this excellent article ... worth a read!
Essentially addresses how to avoid or how best to respond to violence. Makes sense to me although I'm sure others may have "issues". In any case,
these strategies may save your life!
The Truth about Violence
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Since this article isn't about Baja, (where guns are not allowed to be possesed by law abiding people... and killings happen becaue the criminals hold
an avantage)... here is my non Baja reply:
So, per that blog you should do nothing, call police, and run away... hmmm... Seems to me, that set of suggestions are letting the evil ones get away
with it and saying their behavior is okay? That can only increase the lawlessness.
Better, is to increase our ability to defend our property and persons... in essence everyone becomes their own police (because the real police will
not be there to save you when it counts... until after you have been attacked).
Buy a gun, learn how to use it, and once the criminals know they can't do whatever they want without consequences, crime will go down.
The cities with the strongest gun control have the HIGHEST crime rates. The places where citizens are encouraged to be armed, have the lowest... It
isn't rocket science!
[Edited on 12-16-2011 by David K]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Since this article isn't about Baja, (where guns are not allowed to be possesed by law abiding people... and killings happen becaue the criminals hold
an avantage)... here is my non Baja reply:
So, per that blog you should do nothing, call police, and run away... hmmm... Seems to me, that set of suggestions are letting the evil ones get away
with it and saying their behavior is okay? That can only increase the lawlessness.
Better, is to increase our ability to defend our property and persons... in essence everyone becomes their own police (because the real police will
not be there to save you when it counts... until after you have been attacked).
Buy a gun, learn how to use it, and once the criminals know they can't do whatever they want without consequences, crime will go down.
The cities with the strongest gun control have the HIGHEST crime rates. The places where citizens are encouraged to be armed, have the lowest... It
isn't rocket science!
[Edited on 12-16-2011 by David K] |
As those of us who have a nice inventory of weapons like to say: "Criminals prefer unarmed victims".
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"..............What if your attacker has a knife to your child’s throat and tells you that everything is going to be okay as long as you cooperate by
lying face down on the floor? Don’t do it. It would be better to flee the house"
Yeah righto. Thank the God's this guy aint MY dad!
Rubbish of a blog.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Again, not a Baja scenario... where we can't (legally) protect ourselves with equal or greater force. In Baja, it may be the only solution... but
here, America would turn into an animal farm (and it is already on its way)!
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1 thing that was posted here recently was a case where
a Mex National attempted to stop a robbery, I believe it
was in TJ, the robber was injured, the guy that was
attempting to stop it was found guilty of injurying the
robber, and had to either serve some time or make
monetary restitution. I can't see how a Gringo would
want to put himself on THAT end of the Mex Justice
System. I can't see much positive about using a
weapon on a Mex Citizen, talk about a can of worms.
Being physically assualted takes it to a different level
though, and would require a totally different response.
To me the more common crime is to be robbed,
to that I would give up my wallet and the $20 in pesos
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
1 thing that was posted here recently was a case where
a Mex National attempted to stop a robbery, I believe it
was in TJ, the robber was injured, the guy that was
attempting to stop it was found guilty of injurying the
robber, and had to either serve some time or make
monetary restitution. I can't see how a Gringo would
want to put himself on THAT end of the Mex Justice
System. I can't see much positive about using a
weapon on a Mex Citizen, talk about a can of worms.
Being physically assualted takes it to a different level
though, and would require a totally different response.
To me the more common crime is to be robbed,
to that I would give up my wallet and the $20 in pesos |
Sounds like Leftist, Liberal judges have got to be removed on both sides of the border whenever they put criminal rights ahead of victim rights... Why
the hell do criminals get any rights over their victims, anyway?
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I asked a Mexican friend about protecting my home with a weapon and his response was, "don't do it, he will run away and come back with a gun and
friends"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
1 thing that was posted here recently was a case where
a Mex National attempted to stop a robbery, I believe it
was in TJ, the robber was injured, the guy that was
attempting to stop it was found guilty of injurying the
robber, and had to either serve some time or make
monetary restitution. I can't see how a Gringo would
want to put himself on THAT end of the Mex Justice
System. I can't see much positive about using a
weapon on a Mex Citizen, talk about a can of worms.
Being physically assualted takes it to a different level
though, and would require a totally different response.
To me the more common crime is to be robbed,
to that I would give up my wallet and the $20 in pesos |
If someone just wants your wallet let him have it. If the situation appears to be going south quickly, I'll open up the "can of worms" to protect my
family. northamericanarms.com
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i asked a buddy about kicking the sheets outta some turd after i caught the guy coming into my window at night. he said i would go to jail and then
have to pay the turd.
it sounds like it will be worth it!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MikeYounghusband
I asked a Mexican friend about protecting my home with a weapon and his response was, "don't do it, he will run away and come back with a gun and
friends" |
That's why you should empty a clip into the guy and bury him in the desert.
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I need to remember that I'm not as strong or as fast as I once was, and acknowledge that I never answer the door with a pistol in my hand.
I can see the wisdom of the blog writters advice, even though he gives some advice that would be difficult to follow in the midst of an attack.
I think that many of us have a skewed vision of reality, one heavily colored by years of cop shops and movies where the good guys shoot the bad guy
holding the kid or pretty girl hostage with a from the hip 50' away pistol shot in the forehead. Is this really the shot that any of us want to make
while adrenilin pours through our systems and we're shaking like a wet dog?
I agree with DavidK about the absurdity of a law abiding citizen facing anything other than an awards ceremony for shooting or beating the pudding out
of a home invader, but we have all seen many instances where the home owner ends up giving the perp a million bucks via the court system. And that's
in the US, who knows how that scenario would play out in another country, especially one with a Roman-based legal system?
The knife at the throat of our child scene is a very tough one, but I appreciate the logic of the authors advice: The guy is probably going to kill
you all anyway, so by running to the neighbors, he at least knows that more people, some with guns and bats, are going to be on the scene very soon. I
tend to think that this would increase, not decrease, your childs chances of survival.
I am old, and all I have to do is paddle out on a 4'+ day to be reminded of all the strength and endurance I've left somewhere (can't remember where
though). No need to put my feebleness up against one or more 20 year olds just to save a flat screen or my wallet.
I am a fan of the two wallet approach. Important stuff and big bills in a deeply hidden wallet, and lots of reciepts, small bills and library cards
in a throw down wallet. Confronted by evil, toss the discount wallet and run like heck, (which is pretty acurate). By the time the bad guy figures out
he has $12.75 and the ability to check out the collected works of Shakespere and nothing more, I hope to be locked into a car or at least have some
range between us.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Sounds like Leftist, Liberal judges have got to be removed on both sides of the border whenever they put criminal rights ahead of victim rights... Why
the hell do criminals get any rights over their victims, anyway? |
Well, I believe it is partially because we have an adversarial judicial system, certain inalienable rights and the presumption of innocence until
proven guilty.
Could that be part of it?
Yes, I know, a very simplistic view but that is what I remember from school. |
If the guy is coming into my widow or has a knife on my wife or daughter... HE LOSSES HIS RIGHTS and HE IS PROVEN GUILTY, by me (I just appointed
myself as judge in this case). Hey, I am the law abiding citizen, I didn't attack the criminal... he attacked me/ my family/ my property... There is
no question of his guilt or my defending myself.
The only 'rights' he has is some lib defence attorney getting him as little or no charges and letting him walk the streets again. Huh? Remember OJ
Simpson? If that waiter or OJ's wife had a gun, they would be alive today, and not the killer who walks the streets.
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who made this political?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
1 thing that was posted here recently was a case where
a Mex National attempted to stop a robbery, I believe it
was in TJ, the robber was injured, the guy that was
attempting to stop it was found guilty of injurying the
robber, and had to either serve some time or make
monetary restitution. I can't see how a Gringo would
want to put himself on THAT end of the Mex Justice
System. I can't see much positive about using a
weapon on a Mex Citizen, talk about a can of worms.
Being physically assualted takes it to a different level
though, and would require a totally different response.
To me the more common crime is to be robbed,
to that I would give up my wallet and the $20 in pesos |
Sounds like Leftist, Liberal judges have got to be removed on both sides of the border whenever they put criminal rights ahead of victim rights... Why
the hell do criminals get any rights over their victims, anyway? |
laws are laws. just because you don't like them does not mean it is a liberal conspiracy.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Why the hell do criminals get any rights over their victims, anyway? |
because all have same rights and obligations, no matter of criminal or victim. the criminals are not given "rights over victims." the victim is not
endowed with license to violate law.
p.s. all you guys talk tough. is that your 45 cal. pen1$ talking? bet you would act differently in real situation!
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Well maybe pepper spray would work as well as a 45... but I kind of think it would just pee off the criminal.
The victim is allowed to live and not become a victim... sorry goat... you are not thinking in the real world, again.
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DAVID K for presadent,,with Ron paul as 2nd in comanned !!
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if it doesn't fit it must be the fault of liberals
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If the guy is coming into my widow or has a knife on my wife or daughter... HE LOSSES HIS RIGHTS and HE IS PROVEN GUILTY, by me (I just appointed
myself as judge in this case). Hey, I am the law abiding citizen, I didn't attack the criminal... he attacked me/ my family/ my property... There is
no question of his guilt or my defending myself.
The only 'rights' he has is some lib defence attorney getting him as little or no charges and letting him walk the streets again. Huh? Remember OJ
Simpson? If that waiter or OJ's wife had a gun, they would be alive today, and not the killer who walks the streets. |
Just because you don't like a courts decision does not mean it was a liberal defense lawyer. Many conservative lawyers out there practicing defense.
The defense lawyer is obligated to represent his client and has no obligation to represent the pigeon gallery!
And re OJ, he was acquitted by a jury, and that in my book says he is not guilty. If you don't like the decision, tough! The system allowed ample
opportunity for the prosecution to prove their case and they could not. If anything, the system is unfair to the accused.
Where do we get these numbnuts who blame everything on liberals?
[Edited on 12-17-2011 by mtgoat666]
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goat for president! (and i ain't no lib)
dismemberment for the turds who cross any of our paths.....
[Edited on 12-17-2011 by woody with a view]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
1 thing that was posted here recently was a case where
a Mex National attempted to stop a robbery, I believe it
was in TJ, the robber was injured, the guy that was
attempting to stop it was found guilty of injurying the
robber, and had to either serve some time or make
monetary restitution. I can't see how a Gringo would
want to put himself on THAT end of the Mex Justice
System. I can't see much positive about using a
weapon on a Mex Citizen, talk about a can of worms.
Being physically assualted takes it to a different level
though, and would require a totally different response.
To me the more common crime is to be robbed,
to that I would give up my wallet and the $20 in pesos |
Sounds like Leftist, Liberal judges have got to be removed on both sides of the border whenever they put criminal rights ahead of victim rights... Why
the hell do criminals get any rights over their victims, anyway? |
laws are laws. just because you don't like them does not mean it is a liberal conspiracy.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Why the hell do criminals get any rights over their victims, anyway? |
because all have same rights and obligations, no matter of criminal or victim. the criminals are not given "rights over victims." the victim is not
endowed with license to violate law.
p.s. all you guys talk tough. is that your 45 cal. pen1$ talking? bet you would act differently in real situation! |
Tell you what goat, I got my first knife pulled on me when I was 10 years old in East L.A. Would I have gotten shanked had I not given up my lunch
money? Who knows, but I thought of that day every day for a few years after and I swore never again. You know what?.....Never again!
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Sorry to burst your bubble David K but,
fire arm deaths per 100 thousand residents.
US 15.22
Mexico 12.07
Canada 4.78
You may feel safer but are you?
Rick
OK can of worms opened
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