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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 11:32 AM


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Seems to me that the old saying "if youre not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" applies here. Could someone explain why it's OK for the tens of thousand of us "sport" fishermen (includes me) to brag about filling an icechest with fish when we only need to catch and EAT one, and why it's not OK for a commercial boat to fill it's hold with tons of fish that will feed tens of thousands of people?________________________________________________

Sport fishing you are right for the most part, a few for the freezer for us that aren't able to catch fish in Mexico all the time is OK also in my opinion.
As far as the commercial boat filling it's hold well the debate over destructive methods comes to mind, and then there could be the debate of filling the holds for cat food or fertilizer.

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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 11:46 AM


The oceans of the world are FAR greater in area than the land... Eating fish instead of cattle and chickens seems to be correct... The problem is thay all taste so good!:rolleyes:



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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 12:21 PM


Commercial fishing, done unchecked, by a fleet of large, efficient boats with no care of longevity, has virtually destroyed the centuries old practice of the small craft, localized fisherman. I see long idle pangas up and down Baja, seemingly more than are on the beaches and in the bays presently. Why?? Not enough fish, that's why.

I was witness to massive juvenile shark slaughter just last week at a secluded beach just north of La Paz. A panga pulled up on the beach next to me, and began unloading what seemed like dozens and dozens of baby sharks, none over 5 pounds. After they filled several large plastic crates and left, I walked north a 1/4 mile, and began to see hundreds of tails and heads of baby sharks and small rays. If the waters around La Paz were still filled with tuna, grouper, pargo, ect, I don't think these fisherman would be targeting babies!!! But, they need to feed their families, and large commecial operations have drasticaly reduced their options.


Like Bahia Concepcion, Bahia La Paz is a nursery for fish. I catch many small roosters and jacks from the beaches, all released to grow up. You can sit up on the hills of San Juan De La Costa and see HUGE baitballs up and down the coast. Give these areas a chance, and they will recover. It needs to be done, SOON!!!




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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 01:44 PM


My story was prompted by Pompano's story about sardine fishing.

I don't fish but I eat fish....no morality trip here....

My story also wasn't solely about suffering, necessarily....that was just my learning piece with that day down to Agua Verde.

Overfishing is sort of an extension of the notion that the world is an endless bounty...

The story is a springboard for conversation....and that's fine.

That day was a memory....I have a video recording of my meal and conversation with the girl and her mother....so I can keep the memory refreshed...if I can ever find that tape amidst my overabundance of crap I have collected over the years.

The story can lead one off to many places in one's mind....as that is what stories do.



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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 01:49 PM


Some very good comments about the Fishing on the Sea of Cortez.

La Paz is like some other places, the Bay gets so polluted that there is not enough Oxygen for the Fish, like the Bay at Victoria Canada.

If you go up North 40 miles above La Paz you can Drown in Fish. From there to 30 miles below Loreto is still some of the best Fishing in The Cortez. It onlu gets fished Commercially. There is excellent fishing 20 Miles North of Loreto and up and around San Marcos Isla and then up North of there.

Why is it that some of you Young Farts try to Point out a False premise that just because we are 80 years old we don't Know?? Most of us Old Farts have more experience and Knowledge than any of you Young Farts, one reason being that you donot check Information for Facts, you are more interested in "Blaming" someone for your own Shortcomings.

Question{See if I get an Answer}: If the Sea of Cortez is so bad, Why are we seeing pictures of Tons and Tons of Sardines???Where have the Sardines been Hiding???

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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 01:53 PM


Say, hear tell, there were over 60 million Buffalo that used to roam the mid west ... anyone figure they will come back ... through a natural "cycle" ... just saying...

And guess all the attention being given to "farming" fish... is just a coincident ... don't think so ... IMHO ... rather the realization that food production from the even the sea ... has limits ... as we are finding out...

vgabndo... dittos' on the human waste issue... tis something we will have to deal with ... HUH !! 8 billion humans ... WOW a lot of stuff :biggrin::biggrin:

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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 02:19 PM


Hey Wesson! The Buffalo are Back!

Just 20 miles from where I live they just brought in an released about 30 head in the CapRock State park Area . They are free to roam.
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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 02:25 PM


One of the saddest things I've ever seen in Baja:




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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 02:27 PM


Know they are "growing them" and think it to be an excellent idea ... those critters did awfully well ... all by their lonesome without help from anyone... until those "crazy" European's showed up ... and just plain killed them off ... for a couple of reasons...

Have had Buffalo steaks .... good eating IMHO ...

But, then there is nothing wrong with a good cut of beef... just saying

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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 02:55 PM


What I got from motoged's post was a treat. The writing was so good that it mattered not whether it was fiction or fact. Made me think fondly of Mike Humphryville and his incredible ability to paint a picture with words. Thank you so much motoged.
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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 03:59 PM


It is indeed to Sad to see such waste of good Food. In the Past many of the small airstrips built near the Sea of Cortez were for the Airplanes coming from the States to pick up Shark Livers for the Vitamin Deal at that time. Tons and Tons of Shark was taken for their livers only.

As some of you know there was a time when the Mouth of The Sea of Cortez was covered with japanese Boats from the East Cape to Matzlan catching or trying to catch the Fish coming into the Cortez. Was not sucessf! Japanese were kicked out of the Cortez after their two ships tried to sneak out with Tons of illegal Catch

Wesson: No my Name is not on the Wall at the Big Texan as it is the Poorest Food in Amarillo. If anybody comes this way, let me know and I will turn you on to good Steaks, BBQ. and some good Tex=Mex.

Chilly Willys has the best Chickin Fried Steaks you ever tasted with jalapeno Gravy.

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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 04:01 PM


Wesson:
The only Wall that my Name is on is at the Badger Flat Ski Lodge in Yosemite National Park. For winning the Siver Ski Race in 1958.
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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 04:40 PM


Pomp"

The waste of so much good Food is what bothers me!
Sure wih we could somehow make sure all that Fish Food is being consumed. But if Wishs were horses we would all ride to Town!
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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 04:51 PM


Skeeter, yer talk'n my kind of food ..... and, I mean "one" chicken fried steak a year ain't gonna hurt ya IMHO .... and it does sound good just thinking about it... moderation. moderation, moderation

And to all a Merry Christmas to you and yours.. or what ever makes ya happy...

Would only say, a guy's gotta do what he's gotta do to make a living ... not much else around... and if the public perception is that it will continue to replenish it's self, all own it's own ... well, all bets are off IMHO .. a sad tag on to this, very large share comes, NOB ... :):)

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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 05:05 PM


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The only Wall that my Name is on is at the Badger Flat Ski Lodge in Yosemite National Park. For winning the Siver Ski Race in 1958.


Skeeter ... now that's a BOLD statement ... considering all the bathrooms in the world... just saying

Ooopppss ... hope I didn't start something :lol::lol::lol:

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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 05:44 PM
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worked on a boat today,in moterey harbor and drove thur cannery row,,cant say I saw any sardine's but some hot torist babe's LOL,,and if my custermer's will leave me alone I'll be heading down to my winter home before winter is over,,look's like I only get 3 month 's this season as the salmon season start's april 1st:lol::lol::lol:K&T

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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 06:03 PM


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Pomp"

The waste of so much good Food is what bothers me!
Sure wih we could somehow make sure all that Fish Food is being consumed. But if Wishs were horses we would all ride to Town!


Hah...you got it right, old friend. You're one of the unique sages of Baja and I respect all your views, although disagreeing with some. I'm afraid we just won't be making all those great red snapper dinners as easy as we once did...but just have to jig harder and deeper.

Sure am glad to have the memories though..And a few PHOTOS of course. :rolleyes:

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edit to correct my bad sentence structuring and what-nots.

[Edited on 12-19-2011 by Pompano]




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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 06:50 PM


Skeeter, you're an interesting case. I've been reading a lot about Delusional Disorder lately because of my feeling that the diagnosis is, for religio-political reasons, so seldom applied. Iflyfish may question my understanding, but to be delusional only requires that one, over a period of time, hold a belief in something which might actually be possible but for which overwhelming evidence exists to the contrary. I was really curious to read that religion was excluded from this diagnosis. You've previously identified yourself as a church official. I am accountable for judging you have a propensity for "magical" thinking.

To deny the condition of the seas is tantamount to being a holocaust denier.

And Skeet. Humans ARE animals, and this branch of primates has risen to the top of the food chain and pushed it to the limits, call it the free will of fallen angels if you must.

As a proud mountain livin', spring water drinkin', tree huggin', environmentalist citizen with a view of the Sierras I am offended by your slurs and I give you the following evidence that we "nut - jobs" have something to be proud of.

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[*] posted on 12-18-2011 at 07:14 PM


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worked on boat today,in moterey harbor and drove thur cannery row,,cant say I saw any sardine's but some hot torist babe's LOL,,and if my custermer's will leave me alone I'll be heading down to my winter home before winter is over,,look's like I only get 3 month 's this season as the salmon season start's april 1st:lol::lol::lol:K&T


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