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boe4fun
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New Mexican Fishing Law
This appeared in yesterdays Western Outdoor News:
New visa requirements set for U.S.
anglers fishing Mexican Waters
BY BRANDON HAYWARD
WON Staff Writer
SAN DIEGO - It's official: U.S.-based
anglers fishing Mexican waters need a
FMM visa, while crew members on sportboats
will need an FM3 visa.
The new requirements stem from a
Mexican law passed on May 25, 2011,
and enacted by (INAMI) Mexico's Immigration
Department.
On May 25, 2011 a new immigration
law in Mexico was enacted. According to
a press release, the new law was created
"in order to create in our country a
framework of guarantees to protect the
rights of the individuals in our country,
facilitate and manage the migratory
flows to and from Mexico, favoring the
protection and respect of human rights
of Mexicans and foreigners, regardless
[of] their origin, nationality, gender, ethnicity,
age and immigration status."
What the newJaw means for anglers is
that a visa must be obtained before fishing
on both sport and private. boats. Any
trips that fish within trip 24 miles of land
needs to have visas for everyone on the
vessel. International "safe passage" clauses
allow for transit inside the 24 mile
buffer without permits. Trips fishing outside
of 24 miles of Mexico will not need
visas. Good news: come the summer/fall
offshore season, trips that fish outside of
24 miles will not need visas.
A third party, Mexican-owned company,
Mex Tour Assist, has been set up to
process and assist with visas. The cost of
the visas for sportboat anglers will be, as
of January I, per person: Three days or
less: $28.00, four to nine days:' $33.06,
10 to 30 days: $38.06. .
As of February I, the costs will increase,
and be, per person: Three days or
less: $33.06, four to nine days: $38.06,
10 to 30 days: $43.06.
The cost of the FM3 work visa -
which needs a sponsor, which Mex Tour
Assist provides - is $250 after the $90
handling fee to Mex Tour Assist. They
are issued per boat, so if crew members
work on multiple boats, they'd need
multiple visas if fishing within 24 miles
of Mexican territory.
All four San Diego landings have been
set up to sell the visas - which are simply
being tacked on to ticket prices - to
sportboat anglers. As of press time, landings
will not be selling visas to private
boaters. Private boaters can purchase
the visas at Dana Landing in Mission
Bay. Cost will be $35 per person, per trip.
John White at Dana Landing said that it
will take less than 5 minutes to process
the visa. No anglers came into the landing
on New Year's Day to buy a visa and
go private boat fishing in Mexico.
The other option is to obtain the visa in
Mexico and bypass the handling fees. But
only the Port of Ensenada's INAMI office
sells the FMM visas that are valid at sea.
Troy Williams at Mex Tour
assist told WON that FMM Visas
purchased in Tijuana and San
Ysidro are not valid at sea .
"They stamp them valid for
land or sea.The stamps they
provide in Tijuana (and San Ysidro)
are for land travel only said
Williams. "The only Place near
the border) to get the FMM for
sea use is in Ensenada.
Cost is $21 if obtained in Ensenada.
The Visa for anglers and
boaters is different from the ter-
restrial FMM. A "new" visa is
needed for each trip. Few anglers
are expected to visit Mexico to
get the visas.
Passports are not needed to
get the visas. In fact, John
White at Dana Landing said
that a credit card is acceptable
identification for private
boaters getting a visa. For juveniles,
a school ID or library card
are acceptable. National IDs are
being required by INAMI. National
IDs will be asked for if
boarded/checked.
The visas have to be returned
after the trip, and it is the responsibility
of the angler to return the
visa. Mailing the visa is
one option. As is returning it to
the place of issue. ..
The visa requirement has hit
the day fleet hard. It will be
$123 - after visa and Mexican
permit - to fish the Coronado
Islands on H&M Landing's Malihini.
The boat did not get out
New Year's Day or Monday. Rick
Marin at H&M Landing said that
the Malihini will do something
it's never done before - offer local
day trips that will not fish
in Mexican waters. The trips will
be online Monday through
Thursday and cost just $70 -
$123 will be the price to fish the
islands on its Friday, Saturday
and Sunday trips to the Coronados.
Long range boats will no
longer have to check into Ensenada
to fish Guadalupe Island.
The visas are totally separate
from licenses and permits, so
permits remain the same. The
Red Rooster III and Royal Polaris
were the first boats to depart
with the visas on Jan. 2.
Here are more details about
the visa, provided by Mex Tour
Assist:
The facts:
• All U.S. or International
tourists traveling to Mexico
must have a visa to enter Mexico.
This is called an FMM permit.
This permit must go
through a different process depending
on whether one is entering
by land or by sea.
• INAMI has authorized a 3rd
party organization to initiate
the water entry visa process at
the 5 San Diego landings for
tourists with passage on any
SAC member vessel.
• The SAC landings will only
be facilitating the visa. All other
Visa's must be obtained in Mexico.
• The cost of the visa will
vary depending on the length
of the trip and the value of the
Peso.
• INAMI will monitor the
border and execute random inspections
of all vessels crossing -
into Mexican territorial waters,
including monitoring the private
marine recreational sector.
• If you are boarded by INAMI,
they will ask you for a National
ID and your Mexican
visa.
• The visa must be processed
and paid for ahead of time
• All FMM Visas are to be returned
within 24 hrs upon return
to the U.S.
• Vessels traveling through
the territorial waters of Mexico,
not engaging in activities, but
seeking only "innocent passage"
while enroute to interriational
waters, will not be required
to have a visa.'
• Crew members will be required
to have a FM3 which can
be obtained through the 3rd
party company or in a INAMI
office.
[Edited on 1-7-2012 by boe4fun]
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mexico is just cutting their own throat. i buy a yearly license and fish 2-3 times. i buy the 180 visa twice a year. now they want me to buy another
monthly $44 permit? per person? to fish from a panga?
i guess a lot of people are going to be watching closely to see if there are any realistic beurocrats (sp?) left in Mexico. so the ex-pat will need to
shell out +/- $500/year to fish off his lancha for the year?
WOW!
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There has been a couple post re: this New Mex
Fishing visa/fmm. Heard this morn on the SD Fishing
radio Show that SAC, which is a Sportfishing Org.,
is going to meet with Mex IMM this week to iron out
the very typical mis info that generates from the
Mex Govt., not to say the US doesn't do the same.
1 thing is to find out whether the regular 180 day
fmm can be used to SATISFY this New Reg, as it stands now
it can not be, that is 1 can't board a Sportfishing boat
from SD and use the 180 day fmm, you have to purchase
the New Fishing fmm. And private boaters going into
Mex waters to fish the coast need the New fmm. If your boat is in Baja whether you
can use the 180 day fmm is still unclear
I believe some sort of clarification will come
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
mexico is just cutting their own throat. i buy a yearly license and fish 2-3 times. i buy the 180 visa twice a year. now they want me to buy another
monthly $44 permit? per person? to fish from a panga?
i guess a lot of people are going to be watching closely to see if there are any realistic beurocrats (sp?) left in Mexico. so the ex-pat will need to
shell out +/- $500/year to fish off his lancha for the year?
WOW! |
Don't forget to buy the Biosphere Permit if you're going to Bahia Asuncion....
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cha-ching! it ain't cheap being gringo!!!!
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Hi Zac, As I understand it, if you own property in BA you're exempt from having to purchase a biosphere permit. Also, regarding the new law, this
was posted on the Vagabundos board: I have read that the state department is going to be discussing this with Mexico in February as it apparently
violates the NAFTA agreement ?
As usual, whenever Mexico deposits another change in their laws, the followup is EXTREMELY VAGUE. FM2's and FM3's are exempt but what will the expats
in Mexico be required to do as the land FMM is supposed to be different than the water FMM and the water FMM has different fees and time frames.
Woody, Maybe we should stick with strictly surf fishing!
[Edited on 1-8-2012 by boe4fun]
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good idea, Pablo.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
cha-ching! it ain't cheap being gringo!!!! |
even more expensive being a mexican! the cost for mexican to apply for USA visa is about $150. Ouch!
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I have tried to call the guy in charge to get some clarification, but cant get through...but it is my understanding that this visa is for people
entering mexico by boat...like the long range boats. I think (and I could very well be mistaken) that your normal tourist visa covers you for renting
a panga for a day as you entered mexico by land.
I know many will disagree, but I think it is fair that the long range boats that fish along side of us here have to get the same permits we do...that
their clients need tourist visas to fish in mexico. Why should Juan, a national local have to jump through so many hoops and get all these permits
when foreigners can come and fish beside him and not have to get any??? doesnt seem right to me.
It is a blow to the long range boats, particularly for the crew members who must get a work permit...but they are working in mexico.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
cha-ching! it ain't cheap being gringo!!!! |
even more expensive being a mexican! the cost for mexican to apply for USA visa is about $150. Ouch! |
The cost for a Mexican for a visitor's visa is $140 and it lasts for a number of years with multiple entry rights. The cost for a Mexican for a border
crossing card is also $140, and is good for 10 years. The cost of the FM3 (now called "No Inmigrante") is $160 and is good for only one year.
Do you want to research and rethink your post, professor?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I know many will disagree, but I think it is fair that the long range boats that fish along side of us here have to get the same permits we do...that
their clients need tourist visas to fish in mexico. Why should Juan, a national local have to jump through so many hoops and get all these permits
when foreigners can come and fish beside him and not have to get any??? doesnt seem right to me.
It is a blow to the long range boats, particularly for the crew members who must get a work permit...but they are working in mexico.
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I believe most would agree with you that any boat entering Mexican waters whether inshore or offshore should have visas. The hoops Juan has to jump
through is no different than the hoops a US charter boat has to go thru, if not more. Getting caught without those permits... well that's another
story.
Hopefully all the info will get published soon. Mexico has put the cart before the horse, once again, by implementing and announcing new laws whtout
establishing the faciclities to enforce or support them. The TIP for Baja are a perfect example.
The fact that a 3rd party is issuing these perrmits without a valid passport reeks of backdoor dealing. The FMM's are only $40 per year.
Does anyone know what type of visa you receive when you catch a cruise ship to rosarito?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
The cost for a Mexican for a visitor's visa is $140 and it lasts for a number of years with multiple entry rights. The cost for a Mexican for a border
crossing card is also $140, and is good for 10 years. The cost of the FM3 (now called "No Inmigrante") is $160 and is good for only one year.
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The total cost for my Canadian wife's "CONDITIONAL" Residenent Card to enter the US from Mexico was close to $2000, including 2 trips to Juarez for
interviews. Now it will cost an additional $590 to apply for interview in Orange County to remove the "CONDITIONAL" status.
Bob Durrell
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Don't miss an appointment! Or you get to start all over again. Oh, you get to pay again also! Don't ask how I know.
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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Why Not A Multiple Entry Tourist Visa?
The Mexican Consulate in San Diego can issue a Tourist Visa with multiple entries, after the issue you need to go to a Mexican Bank and pay the fee.
One can park on US side and walk to the bank at Mexican Entry point at San Ysidro and pay the fee. This would be good for 180 days, should allow
fishing the season without getting multiple visas for locals who take their boats into Mexican Waters. Hope this helps!
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There is no multiple entry tourist card for Mexico!!!!!!!!
It is a Mutable Immigration Form, that is supposed to be turned in when you leave Mexico, just read what it says on the top of the form..........
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Tourist Card
http://www.peoplesguide.com/1pages/chapts/redtape/tourist-cd...
This is one link to some info.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bomberro
The Mexican Consulate in San Diego can issue a Tourist Visa with multiple entries, after the issue you need to go to a Mexican Bank and pay the fee.
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On the fmm form, it states 'shall be returned upon leaving
Mexico', but most of us use it for mulitiple trips until it expires, adding to the confusion is Mex Imm will often tell you to use it for mulitiple
entries. The form you state the Mex Con in SD will issue
is the same form you get at the border Mex Imm Office,
I was under the impression the Consulate stopped issuing
tourist cards 15 yrs. ago, besides what is the point, you
have to get the fmm VALIDATED from Mex IMM, that means
going into a Mex IMM office at the border. The link
you mention is dated 1999
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| Quote: | Originally posted by aguachico
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Does anyone know what type of visa you receive when you catch a cruise ship to rosarito? |
As a past passenger on several occasions, I can tell you that the process was not noticed by the passengers ... everything was handled between the
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