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[*] posted on 2-7-2012 at 06:50 PM


I have to donate some ranch work at the Tres Virgenes area first - later part of April.
Then I could meet up in Loreto on the 30th, or already be camping at the beach in Aqua Verde by the palapa.
Stay for the night (or more), climb out the next morning and drive to Timbabichi for another camp out. My final destination is La Paz via the east coast or Hwy 1 route.

Who likes to join and what are your plans/suggestions?

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[*] posted on 2-7-2012 at 07:18 PM


That would work for me.
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[*] posted on 2-7-2012 at 07:30 PM


At this point, works for us.



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[*] posted on 2-8-2012 at 03:11 PM


I wanna go.
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[*] posted on 2-8-2012 at 05:22 PM


Phil how you doin? This should be an exciting trip to places we've never been to. I'll probably stop by Mexicali on Sat. April 28th for the NORRA Tech and contingency. Then head south to San Felipe and on to Cocos to watch the race go by on Sunday the 29th. Then head south to Loreto or Agua Verde to meet up. Nothing firm yet until we all agree when and where to meet as we get closer.
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[*] posted on 2-10-2012 at 04:31 PM


I'm ready already. I'll hold a week open between 28th and Cinco de Mayo. Maybe I'll bring my bike and do side trips from Aqua Verde. What about a trip out to mission Delores?
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[*] posted on 2-10-2012 at 05:29 PM


Tom and Phil, looking forward to seeing you both and comparing stories about what you guys did with your share of the padre gold from the "lost mission" adventure. I'll bring a picture of the new boat I bought.....sweeeet.....:bounce::bounce:



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[*] posted on 2-10-2012 at 10:19 PM


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I'm ready already. I'll hold a week open between 28th and Cinco de Mayo. Maybe I'll bring my bike and do side trips from Aqua Verde. What about a trip out to mission Delores?


Wow, 10 months we have missed you here!!! Not since the Santa Isabel search in El Vocan... Hi XR!!:bounce:

Did you think you could get out of writing a trip report (as DT has so far, too)??

Seriously, glad to see you alive and kicking amigo... and it is LOS DOLORES mission :cool: :lol::light:




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[*] posted on 2-11-2012 at 01:00 AM


Well, that should keep him away for another 10 months, David...........



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[*] posted on 2-11-2012 at 07:39 AM


Sorry about not writing a trip report. With all that gold we found, I figured it better to lay low for a while.

DT- I can haul your bike then you can drive your boat down to Aqua Verde.:light:

DK- Don't listen to them. You're one of the reasons I like Baja Nomad. How 'bout some Los Dolores info.
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[*] posted on 2-11-2012 at 10:24 AM


There may be more gold to be found on the east coast of Baja Sur and we are the right group to find it.
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[*] posted on 2-11-2012 at 11:25 AM


DT's new boat...

David isn't sure if he will bring the new boat....or his older one????

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[*] posted on 2-11-2012 at 12:13 PM


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:



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[*] posted on 2-11-2012 at 12:27 PM


:saint::saint::saint::cool::cool::cool::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

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[*] posted on 2-11-2012 at 07:33 PM


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Sorry about not writing a trip report. With all that gold we found, I figured it better to lay low for a while.

DT- I can haul your bike then you can drive your boat down to Aqua Verde.:light:

DK- Don't listen to them. You're one of the reasons I like Baja Nomad. How 'bout some Los Dolores info.


Thanks for that... and sure... be happy to!

Mision Nuestra Seņora de los Dolores Apate was founded in 1721 on the gulf coast between Loreto and La Paz when the mission at Ligui (closer to Loreto) was abandoned. Shortly after it was founded, the mission was moved a couple miles inland, in a canyon with good water supply. In 1741 the mission was moved over 15 miles southwest to a visita of Dolores named 'La Pasion'. Some authors have called La Pasion a separate mission, but it was still Los Dolores at its third and final location.

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Originally established close to the gulf coast, Dolores was soon moved to this spot about 3 miles west. *In 1741, a third move was made to the Dolores visita of La Pasion in the region called Chilla (see below).

Los Dolores is often called 'Dolores del Sur' because the Jesuits planned for a future mission of 'Dolores del Norte' (see Santa Gertrudis).

Photo taken from the ridgetop west of the mission.
This mission and San Pedro Martir are the only two not accessed by an automobile road.

GPS: 25°03'19.0" 110°53'03.3"


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Close up photo of Los Dolores Apate by Kevin Clough in 1998

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Nuestra Seņora de los Dolores Chilla 1741-1768

The final move for the mission of Los Dolores was over 15 miles to the southwest, in the region called Chilla by the Indians. This mission location was usually called 'La Pasion', the name of the visita that was here. Some books list a seperate mission of 'La Pasion' instead of this being the final location for Los Dolores. GPS: 24°53'14.4" 111°01'49.8"



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In 1949, a Marquis McDonald photo:



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The road to the coast just south of Los Dolores passes right by La Pasion. Another Dolores visita the became a seperate mission is San Luis Gonzaga, not far from La Pasion.

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[*] posted on 2-12-2012 at 05:22 PM


I just looked at a couple possible trails that go out to Timbabiche via Google Earth. It seems that just east of El Manglito (?), where Google Earth gives up on a road, you fall off the plateau. 40% grades?? Is this correct?
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[*] posted on 2-13-2012 at 12:10 PM


On Google Earth I don't see El Manglito. On GE the place called Tiguana is called Tijuana on the almanac. Probably a misprint in the one or the other. Anyway I can follow the road all the way but there are some places along the wash that thr trail is not visible until you go further. I usuing a down loaded version of Google Earth not the on line version.
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[*] posted on 2-13-2012 at 12:22 PM


TW. If you use the Top Rim Road down be very careful and do it with two Vehicles and lots of SnakeBite Kits.
Up on the Rim and down about 50 feet along that Rim is some of the Best Rattlesnakes. And they are Thick.

Have a good Trip!

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[*] posted on 2-13-2012 at 01:43 PM


TW, with offline GE, are you able to flatten out your view so that you can look at the plateau from the east side and not just from overhead? You will see what I mean about the drop. I have to correct what I said before. I drew a path for each of two roads I could see coming over that area and the "slope" is over 40% (looking at vertical profile of the path). I'm not sure if GE means %slope or %grade, but slope can be measured in degrees. 40 degree slope is actual 84% grade. Nevertheless, it's twice as steep as the steep drive coming out of AV towards Constitucion.
I may be mistaken, but I believe I'm looking at the correct area.
Hope I'm wrong.
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[*] posted on 2-13-2012 at 02:12 PM


The drive out of AV is not that steep at all, a few quiet tight turns but otherwise no problems using the high 4x4 gear.
We always can send the guy with the most schnake bit kits out first to check the grade.....
Does everybody knows the AV playa with the palapa?
The access off the main dirt road is easily missed, I shall get the coordinates posted if that nice beach/camping spot is accepted as out meeting point.

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