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cessna821
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Living in Mexico
So we've heard the comments about Baja and the perils of property ownership.
In a few cases this has been serious, but there are a great many folks who have never had a problem.
The world outside Mexico -
This could be the bad news-
http://www.blacklistednews.com/A_Warning_Sign_For_The_World_...
Now the USA is nearly broke guess what's coming next, from whichever administration -
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-taxes-will-shoot-more-30...
Poverty starts in Europe - could be coming your way soon -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/pictures-greek-soup-kitchen
Here we go with the 1 per cent winning again -
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-09/foreclosure-deal-to...
So because a few numbskulls keep attack dogs for defence we all have to suffer -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/pets/9070559/Microchips-fo...
Here's a report that sneaked out from under the radar of the main stream media -
http://www.blacklistednews.com/According_To_A_New_DHS_Report...
Heinrich Himmler would have loved this idea -
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/02/06/fbi-enlists-inter...
Practical aspects of living in Mexico:
1. It is a benevolent society for expats because it does not tax external income;
2. Property is relatively inexpensive;
3. Personal freedom from petty and unnecessary regulations;
4. Self sufficient in basic foods;
5. Few people have expensive credit card type debt;
6. Climate.
Mexico, despite it's faults, is just the best place to be!
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Skeet/Loreto
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All of the above is very true!!
We enjoyed visiting and living Full time for many years.
1. Owned property thru Mexican Corp.
2. Sold 18 diffferent properties-Not a bit of Trouble
3.Had Excellent medical Care in Constitution and La Paz
4. Best of All- No Govt interfernce
5. Enjoyed the People..
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baja09
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Baja Good?
Well said Pescador...........I have your same outlook ...when I turn on the tv here in Droneland.... I cant wait to head south ..have been for 25
years and it just gets better!......
A+P......... PILOT........Baja Sur Lover
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Kalypso
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
Every time I have to return to the United States for a short visit, I can not wait to get back across the border and feel a certain peace of mind when
I cross the border heading south. |
Like most of you, I've cross the border off and on for a lot of years. Whether I'm on foot or in a vehicle waiting to cross north, I am always struck
by how ugly, intimidating, angry-looking, and fortress-like the San Ysidro border crossing is. It certainly does not make me feel any more secure;
more like a monument to paranoia.
I've got many friends in Mexico, some own property, some don't. None have had title problems and all of them are glad they moved south. And almost to
a one they are appalled by the continual erosion of the personal liberties NOB, all in the name of Homeland Security. Homeland my eye...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
if for some reason the government decides to take over everything then I will have lost only a portion of what I would have lost in the same type
takeover in the US (like Imminent Domain). |
Imminent Domain is a relatively rare occurance in the states so, unless you know something you're not sharing with us about your situation, you
shouldn't be using that as a threat to constantly be aware of.
And....that you say you have already come to terms with the possibility of dispossesion in Mexico, tells me you think about it and that's your frame
of mind exclusive to Mexico. You've already prepared to accept disaster.
Doesn't sound so reassuring to me.
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
if for some reason the government decides to take over everything then I will have lost only a portion of what I would have lost in the same type
takeover in the US (like Imminent Domain). |
Imminent Domain is a relatively rare occurance in the states so, unless you know something you're not sharing with us about your situation, you
shouldn't be using that as a threat to constantly be aware of.
And....that you say you have already come to terms with the possibility of dispossesion in Mexico, tells me you think about it and that's your frame
of mind exclusive to Mexico. You've already prepared to accept disaster.
Doesn't sound so reassuring to me. |
Was not meant to reassure you, it was just my mind going over the idea during morning coffee. Because when you post anything on here some Rocket
Scientist is going to bring up worst case scenario and tell you about his Uncle's Best Friend on his Wife's side who knew this guy really well, once,
that was good friends with a world traveler, who had his property in Mexico taken over by the governor because he liked the view.
There is always the chance that a switch in government could allow a move toward putting someone in power who decided it would be in the best
interest of the Mexican economy to take back any land that was ever owned by anyone from the United States. Now, I have had a wild thought in the
middle of daydreaming about stupid things like that, but I also know in reality that there is very little, if any, chance anything like that would
happen. But before I bought property in Mexico, I did do a ton of work to make sure everything was on the up and up and there were no surprises.
Before that I had a lease and knew that I could walk away at any given time from my property and not be out much of anything. My folks went through
the same scenario on the mainland clear back in the 60's and 70's so I had a pretty good start on what needed to be done. Luckily that helped me
avoid some of the more questionable places.
But I also know that like the people at Buenaventura, that the biggest enjoyment was the journey and not the destination, and while it is a real pain
in the butt to have to go through that, at least they got through it and the good memories of the good times and the hauling down a 2x4 at at time may
have been some of the best times about the whole thing.
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Skeet/Loreto
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One should not Dwell on the "Loss' of anything Materialist.
I read Ray Cannon's Book and could not beleive the stories so I went to see for myself and fell in Love with the Mar de Cortez, Baja Sur and its
people.
Had mac Shoyer build me a 22 Ft Panga in 1972 operated it on the Sea for 27 years , lived at San Nicholas when the Airstrip was still open, got Terry
out of trouble, went fishing with Chuy when he was 13 years old. Built a Palapa with Papa Murillo and really enjoyed living with the Mexicano People.
Bougth Property out North and with the help of "Mundo", Bianco" and Rodrigo built Rancho Sonrisa. Helped my Mexicano Friends sell their Property to
the Americanos and Canadians started coming in to Loreto.
Took Virginia to the Hospital in constitution where they operated on her and saved her Life.
Made some great Friends and never was anytime Scared or concerned about my safety.
The only way for the newbies is to go and spend some time and get to know the People and the Customs. Do No try to get the People to be like
Americans. Accept them as they are!!!
I wish any one Good Luck and do not worry about losing a Piece of Property. Do it right and you do not have to be concerned.
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Osprey
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It definelty is a mindset thing. When I settled here it was cash or cash. I paid the amount necessary knowing I would never make another mortgage
payment to have a roof over my head. I understand that's not for everyone but if you are mortgage free, wherever you are, you know that lightheaded,
lighthearted feeling that just goes on and on. In my case it was/is a bonus to have and to hold a place with a nice ocean view, a 9000 sq ft lot, 1000
sq ft of house, 1800 sq. ft. of patio and 600 sq. ft of covered outdoor living space while paying just $10.50 U.S. a year in property taxes.
Now I'll be ready for the slings and arrows of the naysayers but they will bounce right off my old lizard skin and the crude but durable concrete
walls of my little casita.
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larryC
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
It definelty is a mindset thing. When I settled here it was cash or cash. I paid the amount necessary knowing I would never make another mortgage
payment to have a roof over my head. I understand that's not for everyone but if you are mortgage free, wherever you are, you know that lightheaded,
lighthearted feeling that just goes on and on. In my case it was/is a bonus to have and to hold a place with a nice ocean view, a 9000 sq ft lot, 1000
sq ft of house, 1800 sq. ft. of patio and 600 sq. ft of covered outdoor living space while paying just $10.50 U.S. a year in property taxes.
Now I'll be ready for the slings and arrows of the naysayers but they will bounce right off my old lizard skin and the crude but durable concrete
walls of my little casita. |
I must be in a mansion, my property taxes this year were 186 pesos. Ah the heartache of living in Baja.
Larry
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Osprey
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Wow, that's $14.50 Larry. You must be in a real snooty neighborhood.
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larryC
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Yep, we be stylin' up here. You get what you pay for, no water, no electricity, no sewer, no trash pick up, and very little police protection. Just
the way I like it, I'm on my own.
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Osprey
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For the record: I have all those services and a lot more >> free rabies shots for the dogs, spray trucks for fruit pests and mosquitos, free
insecticide packets for pilas, free sewer service, free garbage pickup and both city and county police patrol the town most nights.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
For the record: I have all those services and a lot more >> free rabies shots for the dogs, spray trucks for fruit pests and mosquitos, free
insecticide packets for pilas, free sewer service, free garbage pickup and both city and county police patrol the town most nights.
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Free???? Nothing's free. Who pays for it?
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mcfez
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Having interests in Cozumel and San Felipe.....since 1983-4 (?)......not once had issues of intense concerns. We own...we lease....... edido land too!
Yes....trying to consummate deals is like dealing in the Twilight Zone at times.....and quite easy the other times.
We are always welcomed by Baja's people...with open hands.
I got less issues going on down there than I do here in California.
And do I have to make a reservation for a campground in Baja? Hell no!
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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mtgoat666
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Mood: Hot n spicy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
For the record: I have all those services and a lot more >> free rabies shots for the dogs, spray trucks for fruit pests and mosquitos, free
insecticide packets for pilas, free sewer service, free garbage pickup and both city and county police patrol the town most nights.
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Free???? Nothing's free. Who pays for it? |
people who pay fees and taxes, that's who! based on the preceding comments appears that retirees from the US have found how to receive govt services
for free. i think i will move on down next week!
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by cessna821
4. Self sufficient in basic foods; |
Is this currently true? |
No, since NAFTA, Mexico has become a net importer of corn, the most basic grain of the country.
I still believe it's the best place to live!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
No, since NAFTA, Mexico has become a net importer of corn, the most basic grain of the country.
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It was that way, way before NAFTA.
How many corn tortillas consumed in Mexico originate in the USA?
I like the "need" aspect of our relationship. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
I still believe it's the best place to live! |
For you. Nice to hear that.
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cessna821
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Living in Mexico
You are right on LarryC and Osprey, I could not have said it better!
To Lencho - by self sufficiency I mean basic food supplies. I have been living in Mulegé for 12 years now and buy food from local tiendas, the
majority of which is obtained from within Mexico. The vegetables stocked are all local and seasonal, and would never ever land on the average US or
European super market shelf because they don't conform to the 'standard', but guess what - they taste better! I have checked the flour bags in the
local tortilla shop and they all seem to originate in Mexico - I don't know about maize though as it seems most tortillas are flour (harina).
I am a Brit and would not out of choice live in UK any more for a variety of reasons, some of which I outlined in my first post, but the one which
keeps coming across to me is when I sit on my patio and listen to the local children playing outside in the warm evenings. This is something that does
not happen in UK and USA, even outside the main towns you have to watch out for your children. Sick societies? Not necessarily, but getting that way.
Television - I can't think of anything worse in today's social scenario. I read a lot, mostly on the Internet via high speed DSL, and cover most of
the daily media available, both mainstream and underground. Television news coverage and entertainment productions have deteriorated over the last 10
years or so to the point that the mainstream media are nothing short of total propaganda. Various commentators even refer to the viewing public as
'sheeple' on a regular basis. Dr Goebbels would have been delighted, as almost of the techniques in use at the present time were techniques that he
pioneered! You can see that from his writings and his published philosophy.
Viva Mexico!
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BajaBlanca
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Viva Mexico !
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