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[*] posted on 4-13-2012 at 10:26 PM
Enjoy the rain




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[*] posted on 4-13-2012 at 10:33 PM
Praying for Rain ?


May (or may not) work, but today (for us) it delayed just enough.

Drove out to fire off some rounds through my latest (two-day old) purchase and the weather turned to Scheisse, BUT held off just long enough (by about 10 minutes) for us to get home before coming down in (more or less) Buckets.

The wife said it was her prayers.

Could be, I guess.

Maybe.

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by MrBillM]
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[*] posted on 4-13-2012 at 11:05 PM


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Science is a constant search for truth... despite what the Greens have said, the discussion is not over and nothing is conclussive.



If science is a constant search for truth how do you know when you've found it?

What is your criteria for it's presence?

To me it seems you have the flimsiest. If your friends find it to be true then so do you. A truly sad thing which few can admire.

Your support for Mark and Olivia is on equally shaky ground. They are the good guys because because you met them, they were pleasant, so how could they be evl?

Much of your critical thinking follow similar lines of reasoning.

I want to remind you that it was this lack of critical honesty that allowed N-zism to rise in europe in the 30's and beccome a political force that got out of control.

Having fought against the N-zis this may sound ridiculous. Yet had you been born in Germany you would have been the ideally suited to take on the cause. because you are incapable of good critical thought. and the courage it requires.

I;m sorry if this appears over critical yet your posts are sometimes too much to bear. Most are fine so I never know when I.m never sure when I'm going to encounter the garbage and can't avoid it.

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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 05:36 AM


Myself: I try to not be a hypocrite by anyone's standards. I plant bushes and trees, and vegetables and fruit trees. Because our local water is aquifer and seemingly changing in depth very little over the years my new garden will measure around 20 meters to a side. All of my kitchen waste is going for compost.

If people would plant ten million coconut palms on Baja's eastern beaches, it would fundamentally change I would like to say improve, the economy of the entire peninsula. The trees need fresh water for the first six months, then they will do fine on sea water and beach sand. The camping aesthetic would change. Tropical instead of barren sand. Birds would flourish, residents could use corazon de palma for construction the fronds to make roofs or petates, the fruit use would be obvious. Campers would note a definite decrease in the velocity of the northern wind in winter and the shade would increase comfort in warmer. The planting of just a dozen palms on your property will spark a landmark trend.

But this is just my thoughts...




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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 07:15 AM


Gypsy Jan post should be titled " hijack hijacks...go away"

I thought this was about rain...............mega storms up here in Sacramento, overflowing creek here. Any rain in San Felipe?

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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 08:21 AM
Hope Springs Eternal...


Rain...its too cold for me. I never liked Connecticut weather, summer or winter...and this cold wind with the cold rain, is exactly that...Connecticut weather. I only like rain when its warm. Anyway, jumping to the phrase, "Science is a constant search for the truth..., I like it. Because basically, you have your hypothesis, and then your plan to prove it. It doesn't always come out like you wanted it to, but hey, then we end up with really great mistakes, like Penicillin. I kinda like the old adage as well "Hope Springs Eternal..." though that could be challenged as well. If we didn't think things would get better by our own intuition only, nothing concrete that would prove it...suicide would be rampant. So for me, things don't always have to be in black and white, and as much as I love Science, I would have to agree with the quote, "Science is a constant search for the truth." Thanks, David!!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Science is a constant search for truth... despite what the Greens have said, the discussion is not over and nothing is conclussive.



If science is a constant search for truth how do you know when you've found it?

What is your criteria for it's presence?

To me it seems you have the flimsiest. If your friends find it to be true then so do you. A truly sad thing which few can admire.

Your support for Mark and Olivia is on equally shaky ground. They are the good guys because because you met them, they were pleasant, so how could they be evl?

Much of your critical thinking follow similar lines of reasoning.

I want to remind you that it was this lack of critical honesty that allowed N-zism to rise in europe in the 30's and beccome a political force that got out of control.

Having fought against the N-zis this may sound ridiculous. Yet had you been born in Germany you would have been the ideally suited to take on the cause. because you are incapable of good critical thought. and the courage it requires.

I;m sorry if this appears over critical yet your posts are sometimes too much to bear. Most are fine so I never know when I.m never sure when I'm going to encounter the garbage and can't avoid it.

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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 08:22 AM


David can be bought for a hamburger, bottle of beer, and a gallon of gas. Easy.

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Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Science is a constant search for truth... despite what the Greens have said, the discussion is not over and nothing is conclussive.



If science is a constant search for truth how do you know when you've found it?

What is your criteria for it's presence?

To me it seems you have the flimsiest. If your friends find it to be true then so do you. A truly sad thing which few can admire.

Your support for Mark and Olivia is on equally shaky ground. They are the good guys because because you met them, they were pleasant, so how could they be evl?

Much of your critical thinking follow similar lines of reasoning.

I want to remind you that it was this lack of critical honesty that allowed N-zism to rise in europe in the 30's and beccome a political force that got out of control.

Having fought against the N-zis this may sound ridiculous. Yet had you been born in Germany you would have been the ideally suited to take on the cause. because you are incapable of good critical thought. and the courage it requires.

I;m sorry if this appears over critical yet your posts are sometimes too much to bear. Most are fine so I never know when I.m never sure when I'm going to encounter the garbage and can't avoid it.

Igor
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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 08:35 AM
Being bought easy...


My comments were not directed to any person, they were based on thoughts alone...
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David can be bought for a hamburger, bottle of beer, and a gallon of gas. Easy.

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Originally posted by David K
Science is a constant search for truth... despite what the Greens have said, the discussion is not over and nothing is conclussive.



If science is a constant search for truth how do you know when you've found it?

What is your criteria for it's presence?

To me it seems you have the flimsiest. If your friends find it to be true then so do you. A truly sad thing which few can admire.

Your support for Mark and Olivia is on equally shaky ground. They are the good guys because because you met them, they were pleasant, so how could they be evl?

Much of your critical thinking follow similar lines of reasoning.

I want to remind you that it was this lack of critical honesty that allowed N-zism to rise in europe in the 30's and beccome a political force that got out of control.

Having fought against the N-zis this may sound ridiculous. Yet had you been born in Germany you would have been the ideally suited to take on the cause. because you are incapable of good critical thought. and the courage it requires.

I;m sorry if this appears over critical yet your posts are sometimes too much to bear. Most are fine so I never know when I.m never sure when I'm going to encounter the garbage and can't avoid it.

Igor
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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 08:41 AM


You've missed the point entirely. The phrase by itself is correct. But in context it was written to suggest thaat there is a lack of evidence for man made global warming. So the question is posed how much evidence does David require. Even the Bush administration acknowledged the evidece is there.

His attitude was: yep it's a problem but we're not going to do anything about it because the solutions are hopelessly expensive and unrealistic. With which I agree.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 08:42 AM


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There you go again... what does toxic chemicals have to do with heating your home in the winter or driving a firetruck or delivering food to the elderly... all things done with petroleum products that are GOOD.


Factories used to dump toxic waste into our waterways until the "hippies and greenies" stood up to them. The business community said they would not be able survive and that dumping was GOOD. Oh and then we could talk about the military dumping....I went to college on a former military base and one of the largest superfund sites in the US....Do you support the military dumping toxics and polluting?

So are you saying you support restrictions against businesses polluting? Does that make you a greenie? I can't follow your argument.




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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 08:48 AM
Greenies..


Though I am not a greenie per se, or claim I live a natural lifestyle, I do believe in looking into ways of salvaging the environment. Why was everyone jumping on Ralph Nader and Al Gore? Like Bajaboy stated, unless we start complaints, no one will do anything about things...even if the ideas seem a little overzealous or zany at the time.
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There you go again... what does toxic chemicals have to do with heating your home in the winter or driving a firetruck or delivering food to the elderly... all things done with petroleum products that are GOOD.


Factories used to dump toxic waste into our waterways until the "hippies and greenies" stood up to them. The business community said they would not be able survive and that dumping was GOOD. Oh and then we could talk about the military dumping....I went to college on a former military base and one of the largest superfund sites in the US....Do you support the military dumping toxics and polluting?

So are you saying you support restrictions against businesses polluting? Does that make you a greenie? I can't follow your argument.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 08:59 AM


Threw on a rain jacket last night and went for a walk---while I probably would have fallen on my face if I had tried singing and dancing in the rain, I sure enjoyed the walk. This morning is windy and stormy out there and I can't wait to head outside and enjoy it. Igor, good to see you BACK

Well if we keep electing people who believe the world is only 6000 years old and that we should ignore science, and that man has no control of the environment he/she creates, and that we should get rid of agencies like the EPA so big business can function easier, while they chant Drill Baby, Drill, we can have an old hippie sing-a-long with Randy Newman --- Burn On Big River, Burn on.




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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 09:18 AM


It looks like the weather is changing here in San Ignacio, clouds are coming in. just when I was planning a week in the La Paz sun! Well you just have to love it!



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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 09:44 AM


BTW,

We experienced this storm a day before it came to SD.

The display was incredible. Thunder and lightening that seemed right over our heads. 2 hours of it. Then everything went black. PGE lost power and the city went dark. Alex used the propane lantern to finish his hwk (I wouln't let him off the hook). I sat in the dark and brooded over my illness.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 09:51 AM


hmmm our rain is in the form of crystalline flakes right now! Soon I'll have to go and clean off the satellite dish so I can keep surfing!!

Oh well I prefer snow to rain for the sake of our road!!




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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 10:20 AM


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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe Then everything went black. PGE lost power and the city went dark. Alex used the propane lantern to finish his hwk (I wouln't let him off the hook). I sat in the dark and brooded over my illness.


when the ENTIRE southwest lost power last summer for 6 hours or so we were the only house in the 'hood that had light. and a fridge. the neighbors came over to check us out "camping" on the patio. we even filled all 5 coolers with water just in case it was an extended outage.




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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 10:21 AM


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It didn't take me long...

Climate Literacy Items from Hawai`i Survey

[correct answer]

% scoring correctly


A) Climate change will cause some places to get wetter, while others
will get drier [true] 97.7%


B) If we were to stop burning fossil fuels today, global warming
would stop almost immediately [false] 93%

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(I added the A and B because I wasn't sure if it would be clear when I pasted the first to questions [and the answers] here)

No need to keep showing you, but MAN cannot change the Earth's climate, when a natural occurance such as volcanic eruption (just one) pollutes thousands of tons more than man could ever create... and volcanoes have been errupting for all time.



Sorry to disagree with you there David---not that I'm posting an opinion either way on climate change, but what humans put out dwarfs natural output, as far as CO2 is concerned (and volcanoes main output, sulphur, has more to do with global cooling):

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php

http://environment.about.com/od/greenhouseeffect/a/volcano-g...

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=31313

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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 10:26 AM


there you all go again, ruining a perfectly good conversation with facts! let's see if the facts are acknowledged....



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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 10:37 AM


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there you all go again, ruining a perfectly good conversation with facts! let's see if the facts are acknowledged....


:lol::lol::lol:

Oh well, the thread was rapidly deteriorating anyway.....
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[*] posted on 4-14-2012 at 10:40 AM


Thank Steve for the heads up. I was just thinking that without CO2, plants die, and without plants we loose oxygen production, yes? I think plankton plays a big role, too. Let me get a quote from the Internet http://www.planktonzine.com/2009/07/uses-of-plankton/ :

"The oxygen supply in the world has always been thought to be the domain of trees and other botanical organisms. Yes, it is correct. But what most people do not know about is that plankton contributes far greater that trees do. Its estimated oxygen production levels is at 90%, this by far is the most essential role of plankton."




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