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Skipjack Joe
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The demise of the world's leading fishery. This graph is typical. It could be Californias sardine fishery by adjusting the dates.
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Where they come from. Note the importance of baja'a lagoons and salt marshes. Upwelling? think asuncion.
Most biomass comes from a very small area.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Enrique2012
Thanks for the insight djh. It's difficult to wrap ones mind around the idea that humans have an impact on this planet, or that the earth might not be
flat, but with your wisdom I now see the error of my ways. Perhaps the issue here is that I, and many like me, refuse to morph every cycle of life and
turn it into a political agenda. Perhaps the issue here is that we refuse to politicize every aspect of our lives.
So thank you, and please pass that bottle of Patron. |
Guess I don't get it. Are you saying that nothing should be done about Human impacts? or that there are other alternatives? Maybe chaos is more
acceptable?
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Humans are a natural part of this planet, too... Sometimes these debates make it sound like we are an alien species to this planet...
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They are a natural part of the planet. Does that mean that the impacts from being here naturally should not be mitigated if possible? So is San
Diego, but we import water so you can live there, Why don't you try it "naturally".
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Why is that the same people who say "drill baby drill" don't say "fish baby fish"
or are fish here unnaturally and therefor should be managed.
[Edited on 4-21-2012 by rts551]
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I didn't comment if being a human was either good or bad, I just made an observation Ralph about the typical way these enviro debates go.
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Humans have large brains. Were lucky to be able to see the impact we make on our environment and do our best to mitigate it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Why is that the same people who say "drill baby drill" don't say "fish baby fish"
or are fish here unnaturally and therefor should be managed.
[Edited on 4-21-2012 by rts551] |
Why is it that some people can't tell the difference between apples and oranges?
[Edited on 4/21/2012 by Cypress]
[Edited on 4/21/2012 by Cypress]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
Humans have large brains. Were lucky to be able to see the impact we make on our environment and do our best to mitigate it. |
Exactly! We have the ability to mess up a place, but we also have the ability to learn our mistake, clean up the mess and do it better next time! 
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Why is that the same people who say "drill baby drill" don't say "fish baby fish"
or are fish here unnaturally and therefor should be managed.
[Edited on 4-21-2012 by rts551] |
Why is it that some people can't tell the difference between apples and oranges?
[Edited on 4/21/2012 by Cypress]
[Edited on 4/21/2012 by Cypress] |
You tell me. since in these cases both are talking about managing a natural resource. or is it one of the resources more sensitive to you than
others.
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rts551, One is alive and has the capacity to reproduce, increase and recover, the other isn't. Both resources are vitally important to me, you and
everyone else.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
rts551, One is alive and has the capacity to reproduce, increase and recover, the other isn't. Both resources are vitally important to me, you and
everyone else. |
I agree. thanks .
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rts551, You're welcome.
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Here's the problem with the narrow, unenlightened, sanctimonious environmentalists: they hate human beings and want them to die so nature can return
to perfection. It's hypocritical self-interest. To them humans are the source of all problems on Earth, even natural cycles. They hate humans and they
hate you and I.
Want a dose of reality to cut through all the BS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw&feature=playe...
[Edited on 4-21-2012 by LaPazGringo]
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in response to Skipjack, the pelicans were almost killed off in SoCal 40 years ago due to ddt. they are getting as thick as seagulls nowadays. there
must be an awful lot of anchovies/sardines to keep this population afloat.
i happen to think nothing is better than it was 30, 20, 10 years ago, but it might just be memory related.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaPazGringo
Here's the problem with the narrow, unenlightened, sanctimonious environmentalists: they hate human beings and want them to die so nature can return
to perfection. It's hypocritical self-interest. To them humans are the source of all problems on Earth, even natural cycles. They hate humans and they
hate you and I.
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This is one of the funniest posts I've ever read on BN. Where to start.....
Experience enables you to recognize a mistake every time you repeat it.
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LaPazGringo, Reality? Go catch a big mature grouper or pargo within miles of any population center along the Sea of Cortez. Take a picture. I'm ready
to be enlightened.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by danaeb
| Quote: | Originally posted by LaPazGringo
Here's the problem with the narrow, unenlightened, sanctimonious environmentalists: they hate human beings and want them to die so nature can return
to perfection. It's hypocritical self-interest. To them humans are the source of all problems on Earth, even natural cycles. They hate humans and they
hate you and I.
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This is one of the funniest posts I've ever read on BN. Where to start..... |
If starting with a response to something I said is too far beneath your obvious superiority, how about responding to some of George Carlin's logic?
You know, the video you removed when you quoted my post?
Oh wait, I almost forgot the
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
LaPazGringo, Reality? Go catch a big mature grouper or pargo within miles of any population center along the Sea of Cortez. Take a picture. I'm ready
to be enlightened. |
And what will that prove/disprove? Will that mean we'll all be dead within a certain period of time, or that the SOC is already dead, or what? What
will it mean, Cypress? 
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