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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 10:50 AM


fighting for just about anything in mexico is an exercise in futility. The politicos want to secure votes so they create these initiatives like paving and water lines...and as Don Jorge has eluded to...they are able to skim massive amounts of money off them and give contracts to favoured companies for kickbacks etc....the feds want to win elections.

For example our fantastic new baseball stadium just got a super upgrade to astroturf, new wall, fences, and big stadium lights...for what? nobody plays ball at night....this thing cost a veritable fortune yet our health clinic is falling apart and terribly run down and a real disgrace and health hazard. The village folk just shake their heads in disbelief at some of these government projects...complaining that the money spent could be much used in more important places that serve a wider community base.

Yes, most of the village are baseball fans, but our nice stadium was more than adequate.

what can we possibly do to fight for our water...kick out Los Pinos...aint gonna happen...monkey wrench the new water pipe...i doubt it. The municipality just raised our water rates from 90 pesos to 150 pesos and we have half the water we used to get...what does one do?




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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 11:08 AM


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fighting for just about anything in mexico is an exercise in futility. The politicos want to secure votes so they create these initiatives like paving and water lines...and as Don Jorge has eluded to...they are able to skim massive amounts of money off them and give contracts to favoured companies for kickbacks etc....the feds want to win elections.

For example our fantastic new baseball stadium just got a super upgrade to astroturf, new wall, fences, and big stadium lights...for what? nobody plays ball at night....this thing cost a veritable fortune yet our health clinic is falling apart and terribly run down and a real disgrace and health hazard. The village folk just shake their heads in disbelief at some of these government projects...complaining that the money spent could be much used in more important places that serve a wider community base.

Yes, most of the village are baseball fans, but our nice stadium was more than adequate.

what can we possibly do to fight for our water...kick out Los Pinos...aint gonna happen...monkey wrench the new water pipe...i doubt it. The municipality just raised our water rates from 90 pesos to 150 pesos and we have half the water we used to get...what does one do?


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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 11:20 AM


Los Pinos in SQ built their own multi-million dollar desal plant to insure a steady stream of water for their fields. Maybe they will do something similar down there. Probably right after they use up the existing supply? :rolleyes:



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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 11:40 AM


Originally posted by shari
"fighting for just about anything in mexico is an exercise in futility."


To paraphrase the Leonardo Dicaprio character in the film "Blood Diamonds"

"T-I-M" (This Is Mexico!!)

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those of you who know me....know that I am an eternal optimist...have fought long and hard for what I believe is just and am not one to just give in to apathy....BUT...fighting for something is NOT the same here in Mexico...so I've learned not to waste too much time and energy in letter writing or complaining to try to change something that will only change with the political climate.



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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 12:56 PM


I like Baja's bad roads. It's part of what attracts me to the peninsula.
Bad roads, good people. Good roads, bad people.
I don't like gringos who move to Baja and complain about it.
I think you should move somewhere else.
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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 01:22 PM


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I like Baja's bad roads. It's part of what attracts me to the peninsula.
Bad roads, good people. Good roads, bad people.
I don't like gringos who move to Baja and complain about it.
I think you should move somewhere else.



I have found, living in BCS, that this overused statement is just not true. All roads bring al kinds of different people. There is no screener on a bad road only letting good people through. I'll bet the drug runners prefer bad roads as there is less traffic.

What good roads do is bring more to the community those roads serve. People travel more and there are more deliveries. You need to think of more than your selfish one week a year vacation.
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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 01:24 PM


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those of you who know me....know that I am an eternal optimist...have fought long and hard for what I believe is just and am not one to just give in to apathy....BUT...fighting for something is NOT the same here in Mexico...so I've learned not to waste too much time and energy in letter writing or complaining to try to change something that will only change with the political climate.


As I understand it there is bad blood between the Delegado and the governor... one of the two may have to change before anything gets done.
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Where to Enrique? Back to Michoacan where there are as many people, but poorer, but much better roads? Poor roads encourage much less tourism, fewer jobs, and one hell of a lot less mercantile trade. But I guess in a wide area where 3,000 people live, bad roads are really better because someone who does not live here thinks so.



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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 01:31 PM


I am trying not to drift here. I like to think I am focusing what pitiful scarcity of karma that I possess in getting one lousy stretch of road fixed. That's all. Maybe I should say this more clearly LET'S SEE IN THE COMING WEEKS IF LOS BACHEROS SHOW UP. YES? OR NO! entiendes?



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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 01:50 PM


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Originally posted by Enrique2012
I like Baja's bad roads. It's part of what attracts me to the peninsula.
Bad roads, good people. Good roads, bad people.
I don't like gringos who move to Baja and complain about it.
I think you should move somewhere else.



I have found, living in BCS, that this overused statement is just not true. All roads bring al kinds of different people. There is no screener on a bad road only letting good people through. I'll bet the drug runners prefer bad roads as there is less traffic.


The first person I heard this statement attributed to was Doña Anita Espinoza in El Rosario, who used it to indicate how the paving of the Transpeninsular Highway had opened the door for all kinds of rats to invade the peninsula, rats who would never have been interested in making the drive down the old trail.

That said, I know the standard of living of my Paceño friends improved a lot when the Transpeninsular was paved.




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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 01:51 PM


i really dont see what "bad blood" between a mayor and governor has to do with getting a road near vizcaino fixed...or denying other coastal villages piped in water...it really has nothing to do with Asuncion at all...these decisions are federal not estatal. It affects the Bahia Tortuga residents as well as Asuncion.

public works money is very tight all over the municipality...cops and garbage men arent paid for months on end...there is no power at the village office or water company so they cant give us receipts...no money to pay the bills so I dont see where the money to fill some potholes that will come from...and they will just open up again if ya put a bandaid on them...the road is well travelled and quick fixes dont last but a couple weeks...it needs to be repaved and will be done when the tortuga road is finished so have patience grasshopper.

Each place has it's positive and negative things about it. But I can tell you that the road is a thousand times better than it was when I first came here. I can certainly put up with some potholes to live in the paradise I call home.

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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 01:54 PM


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Where to Enrique? Back to Michoacan where there are as many people, but poorer, but much better roads? Poor roads encourage much less tourism.


In most cases, you'd have a point. But two years ago, when I took my daughter on a long drive through Mexico, we avoided Michoacan about the time those seven military (including a female) people were found decapitated by a highway there. THAT will definitely put a damper on tourism, too.




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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 01:58 PM


I guess I was misinformed. I was told the governor had influence over what happens in their state.

Where is all the money going?

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i really dont see what "bad blood" between a mayor and governor has to do with getting a road near vizcaino fixed...or denying other coastal villages piped in water...it really has nothing to do with Asuncion at all...these decisions are federal not estatal. It affects the Bahia Tortuga residents as well as Asuncion.

public works money is very tight all over the municipality...cops and garbage men arent paid for months on end...there is no power at the village office or water company so they cant give us receipts...no money to pay the bills so I dont see where the money to fill some potholes that will come from...and they will just open up again if ya put a bandaid on them...the road is well travelled and quick fixes dont last but a couple weeks...it needs to be repaved and will be done when the tortuga road is finished so have patience grasshopper.

Each place has it's positive and negative things about it. But I can tell you that the road is a thousand times better than it was when I first came here. I can certainly put up with some potholes to live in the paradise I call home.

[Edited on 4-26-2012 by shari]
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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 02:19 PM


of course the governor has some influence but it's not just about Asuncion...people from tortugas, vizcaino, guerrero negro etc...vendors, company delivery vehicles are all suffering....machinery from the cooperativa here clears the sand dunes once in awhile and the potholes are filled by crews from Vizcaino...so some political differences of opinion between a mayor and governor most likely wont have alot of bearing on things.

Now if a governors daughter was killed when she flipped her vehicle over one of the dunes...that might get some action....but as I said, these road repairs are on a time table and wont get done because we write some letters. I do believe that when the governor comes to cut a ribbon on some showy project....they should have to drive in that road instead of flying in to the airstrip...then the would see first hand what we deal with on a daily basis....like THAT"S gonna happen.




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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 03:05 PM


Is there a reason why the road to BOLA is in such greater shape than Asuncion? Aside from the sand drift for which there is no solution.

And then there is that marvelous road to San Rosalillita (right number of l's DK?). A road going nowhere.

Regarding the water:
With the high price that abalone is garnering, can't the townfolk finance their own desal plant?
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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 03:07 PM


different state. There has been a lot of money and construction in Baja California.
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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 03:10 PM


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Is there a reason why the road to BOLA is in such greater shape than Asuncion? Aside from the sand drift for which there is no solution.

And then there is that marvelous road to San Rosalillita (right number of l's DK?). A road going nowhere.

Regarding the water:
With the high price that abalone is garnering, can't the townfolk finance their own desal plant?


Yes, correct... and Ralph is right about Baja Ca Sur being a different state... but the road into Bahia de L.A. has been part of the federal highway system... and while I haven't seen any highway designations into Asuncion, it seems to be a state highway...?




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[*] posted on 4-26-2012 at 03:16 PM


Shari says they are federal decisions


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i really dont see what "bad blood" between a mayor and governor has to do with getting a road near vizcaino fixed...or denying other coastal villages piped in water...it really has nothing to do with Asuncion at all...these decisions are federal not estatal. It affects the Bahia Tortuga residents as well as Asuncion.

public works money is very tight all over the municipality...cops and garbage men arent paid for months on end...there is no power at the village office or water company so they cant give us receipts...no money to pay the bills so I dont see where the money to fill some potholes that will come from...and they will just open up again if ya put a bandaid on them...the road is well travelled and quick fixes dont last but a couple weeks...it needs to be repaved and will be done when the tortuga road is finished so have patience grasshopper.

Each place has it's positive and negative things about it. But I can tell you that the road is a thousand times better than it was when I first came here. I can certainly put up with some potholes to live in the paradise I call home.

[Edited on 4-26-2012 by shari]
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