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shari
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Igor..the cooperativas are discussing getting a desal plant to ensure a reliable water supply...i guess progress isnt working for us....back to the
old desal plants...too bad they sold the old one. I hope San Hipolito keeps theirs in running order.
I also just heard that the pot holes are being filled as we type...that's good news.
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rts551
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Funny. We have a desal plant but the coop trucks in a lot of their water.
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Igor..the cooperativas are discussing getting a desal plant to ensure a reliable water supply...i guess progress isnt working for us....back to the
old desal plants...too bad they sold the old one. I hope San Hipolito keeps theirs in running order.
I also just heard that the pot holes are being filled as we type...that's good news. |
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David K
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So Dah-veed's letter worked!!?? 
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
You need to think of more than your selfish one week a year vacation. |
I'm sorry, Ralph, I can't let this pass.
Shaming people is one of my least favorite ways to make a point.
The argument is pointless.
Who is more selfish, the one who wants potholes so as to preserve a state or the one who doesn't want potholes so that his ride to town is more
comfortable.
It's all a matter of perspective.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
You need to think of more than your selfish one week a year vacation. |
I'm sorry, Ralph, I can't let this pass.
Shaming people is one of my least favorite ways to make a point.
The argument is pointless.
Who is more selfish, the one who wants potholes so as to preserve a state or the one who doesn't want potholes so that his ride to town is more
comfortable.
It's all a matter of perspective. |
Interesting perspective.
Should the residents of a given area control its preservation. or should it be "others" how ever that is defined. I think we are struggling with
that in the States right now. Need to settle local/state/federal and in some cases world rights before we say it is a pointless argument.
Or Igor, look at it this way. Shouldn't a RESIDENT have the right to complain about the service he/she is getting from their government? after all
we are talking about a hiway.
[Edited on 4-26-2012 by rts551]
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Enrique2012
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David E - I don't really care where it is, as long as it's not California or Baja. Throw a dart at a map and pick some place, a new place, where you
can begin complaining all over again.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Who is more selfish, the one who wants potholes so as to preserve a state or the one who doesn't want potholes so that his ride to town is more
comfortable.
It's all a matter of perspective. |
Yes, I agree, it is a matter of perspective. However, whose perspective has the most to do with living day to day?
From the perspective of the locals with whom we are friends, a comfortable ride has never entered the conversation. They are more concerned with:
Safety---it is a safer to drive a good road
Car Repairs --- bad roads are very hard on their cars and tires.
Faster --- for in cases of emergency when they have to go to GN or Santa Rosalia for medical emergencies that cannot be handled locally.
And they need to use the road often for money from the bank and shopping and coming the other way, they want more supplies and other vendors to visit
more often.
And of course the co-op's have their perspective about wanting better roads----economic reasons that affect the entire community.
And there is more, but not once have I ever heard someone say that a comfortable ride is why they want a good road.
But, then again, I guess that all of their reasons could be considered a selfish perspective.
[Edited on 4-26-2012 by DianaT]
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Iflyfish
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Who is more selfish, the one who wants potholes so as to preserve a state or the one who doesn't want potholes so that his ride to town is more
comfortable.
It's all a matter of perspective. |
Yes, I agree, it is a matter of perspective. However, whose perspective has the most to do with living day to day?
From the perspective of the locals with whom we are friends, a comfortable ride has never entered the conversation. They are more concerned with:
Safety---it is a safer to drive a good road
Car Repairs --- bad roads are very hard on their cars and tires.
Faster --- for in cases of emergency when they have to go to GN or Santa Rosalia for medical emergencies that cannot be handled locally.
And they need to use the road often for money from the bank and shopping and coming the other way, they want more supplies and other vendors to visit
more often.
And of course the co-op's have their perspective about wanting better roads----economic reasons that affect the entire community.
And there is more, but not once have I ever heard someone say that a comfortable ride is why they want a good road.
But, then again, I guess that all of their reasons could be considered a selfish perspective.
[Edited on 4-26-2012 by DianaT] |
"Selfishness" is a critical term used to discount self interest. Well said Diane, well said.
Iflyfish
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thebajarunner
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One week- 10 posts and already a critic
| Quote: | Originally posted by Enrique2012
David E - I don't really care where it is, as long as it's not California or Baja. Throw a dart at a map and pick some place, a new place, where you
can begin complaining all over again. |
Wow, that did not take you long to assert your authority on the board.
On our trip down in March a newbie in our group took umbrage with my criticism of a place he had never seen and told me "Why don't you just stay the
f*** home next year?"
The fact that he was on his second bottle of scotch probably entered into his deft choice of words.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by thebajarunner
| Quote: | Originally posted by Enrique2012
David E - I don't really care where it is, as long as it's not California or Baja. Throw a dart at a map and pick some place, a new place, where you
can begin complaining all over again. |
Wow, that did not take you long to assert your authority on the board.
On our trip down in March a newbie in our group took umbrage with my criticism of a place he had never seen and told me "Why don't you just stay the
f*** home next year?"
The fact that he was on his second bottle of scotch probably entered into his deft choice of words. |
I think that (or tequila) is the fuel used by many Nomads, as well!
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
"Selfishness" is a critical term used to discount self interest. Well said Diane, well said.
Iflyfish |
I thought that was my point.
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jakecard
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Sell the car. Buy a mule. Reassess.
Jake
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Udo
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My two centavos...
I don't think the Feds or current (previous Govs) would have put in place such a large pipeline from Vizcaino to Bahia Tortuga if there were no large
plans for the bay.
Either case, it does not bode well for the municipalities downstream of the pipeline, if water can not be piped to their locations.
Udo
Youth is wasted on the young!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
My two centavos...
I don't think the Feds or current (previous Govs) would have put in place such a large pipeline from Vizcaino to Bahia Tortuga if there were no large
plans for the bay.
Either case, it does not bode well for the municipalities downstream of the pipeline, if water can not be piped to their locations.
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Udo, I am not so sure that is the case here. Back in the early 1980's, the daughter of a good friend wrote to the President of Mexico, Miguel de la
Madrid. She made the case that BA needed more fresh water as the de-sal plant was no longer sufficient. And it became a major political photo opt
for how the rural areas of Mexico were being assisted.
President de la Madrid flew to BCS and met this young lady, her family and other people from BA in Vizcaino---we have a couple of other scanned family
photos, but here is the cover of a local political magazine that recorded this meeting.
So between the federal and the local governments, the pipeline project began. So if there was a major project planned, it had to be back in the
1980s.
BTW---this beautiful young letter writing activist now has a daughter of her own and lives in La Paz. Her parents still live in BA and are walking
history books. We love visiting with them, which is off the topic at hand.
Oh, when the town first began, the water came from a local rancho, and then came the de-sal plant, and then the water pipe.
On edit---while I don't believe this little girl was solely responsible for the water pipe to Bahia Asuncion, her letter certainly didn't hurt.
[Edited on 4-27-2012 by DianaT]
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rts551
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great story Diana. I remember when the water line was going in. Within a couple of years, a lot of the communities thought they would also get
water...and now here we are.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
My two centavos...
I don't think the Feds or current (previous Govs) would have put in place such a large pipeline from Vizcaino to Bahia Tortuga if there were no large
plans for the bay.
Either case, it does not bode well for the municipalities downstream of the pipeline, if water can not be piped to their locations.
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Udo, I am not so sure that is the case here. Back in the early 1980's, the daughter of a good friend wrote to the President of Mexico, Miguel de la
Madrid. She made the case that BA needed more fresh water as the de-sal plant was no longer sufficient. And it became a major political photo opt
for how the rural areas of Mexico were being assisted.
President de la Madrid flew to BCS and met this young lady, her family and other people from BA in Vizcaino---we have a couple of other scanned family
photos, but here is the cover of a local political magazine that recorded this meeting.
So between the federal and the local governments, the pipeline project began. So if there was a major project planned, it had to be back in the
1980s.
BTW---this beautiful young letter writing activist now has a daughter of her own and lives in La Paz. Her parents still live in BA and are walking
history books. We love visiting with them, which is off the topic at hand.
Oh, when the town first began, the water came from a local rancho, and then came the de-sal plant, and then the water pipe.
On edit---while I don't believe this little girl was solely responsible for the water pipe to Bahia Asuncion, her letter certainly didn't hurt.
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Iflyfish
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
"Selfishness" is a critical term used to discount self interest. Well said Diane, well said.
Iflyfish |
I thought that was my point. |
Indeed, Diane elaborated on it. It is indeed a matter of perspective.
I think we all "hit a wall" at some point when living in another country and another culture. I think it's a normal process and one to be
anticipated." This ain't Kansas Toto", no sh.., oh sh.., Grrr and yell at the nearest person who is just doing what they are always doing. We are all
to some extent ethnocentric and bump into ourselves a times just as foreigners do when the visit the US.
I think that sanitation and good transportation have done more for the health and quality of life than any other innovations.
Iflyfish
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
When in Nevada I see people spending thousands at the slots and tables and then stand in line an hour to save six bucks to eat much lousier[Edited on
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'Good roads bring bad people, bad roads bring good people'
can't rember who coined it. Easy on the Vegas Buffets.
David, I for one am aware of your yrs. of Mex experience,
but a greenhorn? However, I suppose you are relatively
new here
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Even though I have achieved imigrado status, with the ability to own a business, and now, heck, even vote, I won't do it in a community that I have
not lived in long enough to have met 1% of the residents. In Michoacan where I do know many people I still want Jesus mi compadre to proxy for me at
reuniones for the ejido, cooperativa, juntas para mangueros (I have 32 trees enough to qualify as an orchard, a huerta de mangos). "david says this"
and "david thinks that" goes a lot further than if I had stood up and proposed these things. One such thing was the installation of a fourth topes
right as the cruce para peatones. School kids would jump off the combi and dash across Mex 200 without looking. Basta Ya! I went to Cruz our local
Delagado, and he countersigned the letter I sent to SCT asking for permission to set the tope (I insisted it be extremely gentle), the tope A proximo
signs, and about 300 epoxied amber road reflectors thet are glued within the crosswalk. The little kids now have a chance of not being run over while
crossing the street.
For some sad, reason, unfair and enraging as it may be unless a person has influence in Mexico, the SCT will ignore them. This is a lot less true when
it comes to extraneous tourists who bring in money. The Mexican government has prioritized communications made by tourists if the communication is
performed reasonably and to standards deemed "la costumbre" by the agency. This is kinda tricky -- ordinary letters seem to have little response. It
takes a real wing-dinger to get noticed. I put everything I knew into that letter and then had it polished by Gilberto. That gave it the appearance of
the letter having been originated by someone of substance (I figured the end justified the means) I have almost no substance :-)
I am what....one five thousandth of whom uses that road? Are my priorities more important than anyone else that use that road? Would not that be the
epitome of selfish egotism?
But, and this is a biggie. I do have an R.F.C. I do pay Mexican taxes, and that road is a federal highway or someone that erected fifteen billboards
for the SCT and countless km markers made a big mistake by placing billboards and km markers the full length of it.
I stood a chance to get a letter to the SCT. The very method of delivery MexPost, made arrival of that letter in Mexico really stand out.That mailing
was initiated by a real amigo I met in a gasolinera in Guerrero Negro whom offered to take the letter and 200 pesos to San Lucas where they do have
MexPost and go to the trouble of mailing it off at the oficina de correos. You see, Vizcaino and Guerrero do not have that service. He telephoned me
five days later and said the letter went out and "did you want me to mail the receipt to you?" I judged the letter was mailed.
But, another big but --- I am a newbie here. I have no business whatsoever involving myself in the least in local politics like who does what with the
water, and why does the delagado's baby-sitter loathe the commandante's maid. There are several thousand resident's here and they are more than
capable in complaining about the lack of water and the reasons behind it. My responsibility as I see it is to get a larger tinaca or make an aljibe.
As far as good roads or bad roads, the residents deserve what 99% of the rest of Mexican citizens have. Even the most self-centered, selfish of
hypocrites can turn off any at any of the ten thousand terrecerias or brechas leading from Mex 1 or Mex 5, or 19, or 3, or hell, take your pick ---
and within one mile be back in the old Baja California. Go another five miles and you'll find Baja California of the 1940's. Ranchos, huertas, ganado.
My opinions do not count. People's livelihoods do. Their families, their health. The real treasure of the peninsula lay in her people, I cannot even
put a percentage figure on this --- to do so would be absurd.
So yeah, I am a newbie. even in places where everyone knows my name and what I like to eat for freakin' breakfast. This is Mexico, it belongs to the
Mexicans, and I'll continue to do whatever pittance I can to help them.
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David K
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Wow, you have done a lot since you left Tecate!
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Yeah, eleven years have passed by rather quickly haven't they? Most of those years are in a community where foreigners are rarely seen, English is
simply not spoken, and ninety nine percent of my neighbors support la justicia de LFM. I take the time to stop and say hello to folks, and believe me,
by the time I walked home from la tienda, the entire pueblo knew what I had purchased and how much I paid for it. When the caretaker of el pozo para
la communidad ran off with the funds for well repairs, and it broke and we went without water for 10 days, I kept silent and hauled water 11
kilometers from Chucutitán. I was told later my silence caused a lot of chisme. They all believed I would complain. i didn't.
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