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http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/may/03/tp-community-mour...
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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If he still has underaged children then I suppose it was wrong.
Otherwise, he's in charge of his own life to do as he wants.
Either way, it was not an act of cowardice.
I don't feel that morality has any role in acts of suicide. It's mental illness. You don't blame a man for contracting Alzheimers (even though it
produces stress for everyone). Suicide is the same. My opinion.
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Remember that character in Dostoyevsky's "The Possessed".
"In a meaningless world I must kill myself because my life is meaningless"
What a bunch of crap.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I am saddened that a healthy young man felt the need to do this and even sadder for his family.
I also hate to see the attacks on Woody for his feelings. I don't think anyone can begin to understand how suicide affects those left behind ---
often with a lot of guilt feelings that they should have been able to stop it, anger, and it often destroys other members of the family. Having
had a brother who committed suicide, my first feelings upon hearing this news were similar to Woody's. It is easy to be angry, angry for his family
that he chose to commit the ultimate in selfish acts.
My thoughts are with those left behind and their inevitable struggle with coping with this tragedy.
[Edited on 5-3-2012 by DianaT] |
Well stated! My best friend lost his Dad to suicide when he was a little boy, and he has very similar feelings as you and Woody. I think, unless you
have experienced this in your own personal life, lay off on judgement from those who have.
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Otherwise, he's in charge of his own life to do as he wants.
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It's a terrible and painful legacy to leave for a family and friends. At least a note absolving them of guilt would actually be helpful.
There should be rules of engagement...and disengagement for everything.
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Huh?
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
he tried to do it going 75 mph off the cliffs in carlsbad a year ago, or so. what a turd! with everything he had and it wasn't enough?
i'll burn my #55 jersey as soon as i get home Friday...... |
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
.....he has very similar feelings as you and Woody. I think, unless you have experienced this in your own personal life, lay off on judgement from
those who have. |
How are you agreeing with Woody?
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Here is my two cents---------Two very loved members of my family have committed suicide. Both came to the realization that they were not having fun
anymore, (one at 78, and the other at 83)----and both had really had a fun life, were really always independent, and decided that they were not really
able to contribute any more, either to their own happiness, or to the family and society. The 78 year old single woman had early onset dementia, and
knew it, and the other was just tired, and her health was failing, and she had lost her husband 12 years before.
Our Family sorta knew this was coming (eventually) as they had both talked about suicide "when life was no longer fun" for years, and tho very sad
were resigned with each of THEIR decisions to depart. It would have been REALLY sad to see them "carry on" in personal mental misery.
End of story. (and of course they are missed)
But, for a 43 year old to depart this way------this IS very sad, but we sure don't know what was going on in his head. He made a very personal
decision, apparently----which is his right, IMO. To me it is selfish for of any of us to judge him----we were not walking in his moccasins!
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It's pretty clear there is a trend here in little understood damage incurred from making a career of taking regular blows to the head.This article was
prior to this incident.Makes it pretty ridiculous to try and judge the actions of individuals who made a career of entertaining some of us.
Report: Autopsy Reveals Sixth NFL Player Suffered From Head Trauma-Related Brain Damage
Latest research indicates that damage may accumulate in the brain from repetitive head trauma, even if injuries are allowed to heal.
by Peter Keating
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Roethlisberger was a recent player to suffer head trauma. This Week 17 concussion left him on the turf for 15 minutes.
Tom McHale, who played guard for three NFL teams from 1987 to 1995, was suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), brain damage caused by
repeated head trauma, when he died from a multiple-drug overdose last year, researchers at Boston University School of Medicine announced today.
Over the past two years, researchers have examined the brains of seven former NFL players, including McHale, all of whom died by the age of 50. Six
turned out to have had CTE, which is characterized by the buildup of toxic proteins that form dangerous tangles in the brain, and that at the moment,
can be found only by autopsy. CTE can cause victims to lose control of their emotions and impulses and to suffer memory loss and depression and can
eventually lead to dementia.
All of the ex-NFL players diagnosed with CTE died under unusual, even bizarre, circumstances, though the precise relationship between their brain
damage and their behavior remains unclear. For example, Justin Strzelczyk died in a fiery car wreck in 2004 after experiencing hallucinatory visions.
Terry Long committed suicide in 2005, as did Andre Waters, in 2006. John Grimsley, an experienced gunman, died last year from a self-inflicted gunshot
wound.
"Initially referred to as dementia pugilistica because of the boxers who were originally studied, CTE is now being seen in other athletes," says
Dr.Ann McKee, who did the post-mortems on Grimsley and McHale. McKee is co-director of the Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy, a
collaboration between BU and the Sports Legacy Institute, the organization founded by Chris Nowinski, a former WWE wrestler and Harvard football
player, to solicit and study the brains of former athletes. She noted that while the symptoms of CTE can seem similar to those of Alzheimer's disease,
"they represent a distinct disease with a distinct cause, namely repetitive head trauma."
Indeed, experts say CTE is the only fully preventable cause of dementia.
Stop smashing the head, particularly where and when it is particularly vulnerable, and you will stop brain damage. While scientists are now beginning
to look for specific factors that might put individuals at particular risk for CTE, one thing is clear: Returning to play too soon after a concussion
is extremely dangerous. But it's another, murkier, issue that has become even more worrisome for researchers studying concussions:
The brain damage of CTE may accumulate from blow to blow even when athletes seem to recover fully between injuries.
The brain damage of CTE may accumulate from blow to blow even when athletes seem to recover fully between injuries.
The NFL, whose Mild Traumatic Brain Injury (MTBI) committee has found "no evidence of worsening injury or chronic cumulative effects of multiple MTBIs
in NFL players," says it's too early to draw that conclusion. For example, spokesman Greg Aiello tells ESPN the Magazine: "Hundreds of thousands of
people have played football and other sports without experiencing any problem of this type. There continues to be considerable debate within the
medical community on the precise long-term effects of concussions and how they relate to other risk factors, including pre-existing conditions or
family history. We are currently funding an independent medical study of retired NFL players on the long-term effects of concussion, which we hope
will contribute to the overall understanding of this issue."
But it's something to ponder this Super Bowl Sunday. Announcers and analysts are sure to glorify Ben Roethlisberger for bouncing back from the
concussion that left him lying on the turf for nearly 15 minutes in Week 17, just as he came back from at least two concussions in 2006. But what if
he's one hit away from brain damage he'll feel 15 years from now?
What if he's already one hit beyond it?
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he was the alpha male on the field and operated at a high energy level-as do many pro athletes. many suffer from depression, etc after retirement due
to that lack of high energy game they were use to playing-the hitting, the runnng, the testosterone, etc what happens many times is you see a pattern
of domestic violence, assault and at times suicide. once retired they are no longer the alpha, no longer in the spotlight,(probably no longer on
'roids,etc.) this all takes it's toll on them. some cope, some don't.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I am saddened that a healthy young man felt the need to do this and even sadder for his family.
I also hate to see the attacks on Woody for his feelings. I don't think anyone can begin to understand how suicide affects those left behind ---
often with a lot of guilt feelings that they should have been able to stop it, anger, and it often destroys other members of the family. Having
had a brother who committed suicide, my first feelings upon hearing this news were similar to Woody's. It is easy to be angry, angry for his family
that he chose to commit the ultimate in selfish acts.
My thoughts are with those left behind and their inevitable struggle with coping with this tragedy.
[Edited on 5-3-2012 by DianaT] |
Well stated! My best friend lost his Dad to suicide when he was a little boy, and he has very similar feelings as you and Woody. I think, unless you
have experienced this in your own personal life, lay off on judgement from those who have. |
Thanks Bob---
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The Junior I knew........
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience.....  ....  ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ?? 
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
he tried to do it going 75 mph off the cliffs in carlsbad a year ago, or so. what a turd! with everything he had and it wasn't enough?
i'll burn my #55 jersey as soon as i get home Friday...... |
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
.....he has very similar feelings as you and Woody. I think, unless you have experienced this in your own personal life, lay off on judgement from
those who have. |
How are you agreeing with Woody? |
Skipjack, I'm just saying that we should not judge people's responses to Seau's suicide that have experienced a personal tragedy like this. I have
never had to go through something like this and would not know how I would react if I did. Just my 2 cents here. Every individual is different.
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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i appreciate that we all deal with death in our own ways. Junior was a hero of mine, so was my Grampa. they both let me down in their own selfish
ways. so who am i to judge? look in the mirror while you ask yourself the same question. i may have come across harshly but that is what this is,
harsh reality!
why is anyone bowing down to a man who, in his professional life, had everything any of us think we would want when at the same time none of us would
trade places with him at this point? he had every chance to get his life straight. he won't EVER wake up again to see the sun sparkle on the surf at
sunset or see the smile on his mothers face.
he could have eased his pain by volunteering at a children's hospital, maybe the burn unit? how about going overseas and being a "nobody" while doing
the same?
if he died in a "car crash"  i would wear his jersey with pride. he
turned out to care less for his family and their feelings than he did for any other thing in his life, so he ended it.
he was one of the greats on the field but a single decision subtracted greatly from his legacy. don't give me that crap about mental illness. nobody
saw mental illness in his day to day actions. we are ALL a little off so to speak, so that theory doesn't hold water....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
i appreciate that we all deal with death in our own ways. Junior was a hero of mine, so was my Grampa. they both let me down in their own selfish
ways. so who am i to judge? look in the mirror while you ask yourself the same question. i may have come across harshly but that is what this is,
harsh reality!
why is anyone bowing down to a man who, in his professional life, had everything any of us think we would want when at the same time none of us would
trade places with him at this point? he had every chance to get his life straight. he won't EVER wake up again to see the sun sparkle on the surf at
sunset or see the smile on his mothers face.
he could have eased his pain by volunteering at a children's hospital, maybe the burn unit? how about going overseas and being a "nobody" while doing
the same?
if he died in a "car crash" i would wear his jersey with pride. he
turned out to care less for his family and their feelings than he did for any other thing in his life, so he ended it.
he was one of the greats on the field but a single decision subtracted greatly from his legacy. don't give me that crap about mental illness. nobody
saw mental illness in his day to day actions. we are ALL a little off so to speak, so that theory doesn't hold water.... |
Well said.......Not to mention his "other" run in with the law
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
he was one of the greats on the field but a single decision subtracted greatly from his legacy. |
It was HIS decision, Woody. Not what you would have done, but his way to escape his demons.
He lived his entire life trying to please you, but his final play was for himself.
Why deny him that?
Why try to make this about you....and your loss?
Don't you think he felt enough loss for both of you?
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it isn't about my loss! i've made my peace. i guess if i don't agree with the majority here i should just go away. i'll consider that.... i'm not
denying him his final selfless act-he made it without anyone's consent, remember? just don't expect me to like it if any one here takes the easy way
out.
we all have demons, so what? quit trying make it okay for bad behavior to become somehow acceptable or even something to be proud of.
not trying to pick any fights here, but suicide is a poor attempt at self gratification......
edit: why not go out into the mountains and squeeze one onto your chest so as to not make anyone have to deal with your carcass? if he really wanted
it to end, why not just go do it where it would be an enigma? maybe no one would ever know what happened to him. that is the stuff of legacies, not
having your ol' lady discover your remnants. tuff guy?
[Edited on 5-5-2012 by woody with a view]
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Cleaning up afterwards
Had a neighbor go the .44 self-checkout route a few years back.
Walked out into his driveway in the wee hours and ate one. Hadn't willed his Brain.
Another neighbor and mutual friend said that he'd mentioned it a few times and said that he didn't want to leave a mess in the house for someone to
clean up. As it was, a quick hose-down was all that was needed after the County finished up.
He WAS a nice guy.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Had a neighbor go the .44 self-checkout route a few years back.
Walked out into his driveway in the wee hours and ate one. Hadn't willed his Brain.
Another neighbor and mutual friend said that he'd mentioned it a few times and said that he didn't want to leave a mess in the house for someone to
clean up. As it was, a quick hose-down was all that was needed after the County finished up.
He WAS a nice guy. |
Hmmmm, People around you get the urge, um, to kill themselves. All your neighbors commit suicide???
[Edited on 5-5-2012 by bajadogs]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
we all have demons, so what?
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Probably so, but not the same ones.
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edit: why not go out into the mountains and squeeze one onto your chest so as to not make anyone have to deal with your carcass? if he really wanted
it to end, why not just go do it where it would be an enigma? maybe no one would ever know what happened to him. that is the stuff of legacies, not
having your ol' lady discover your remnants. tuff guy?
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Woody....are you suggesting an "etiquette" for suicide? It's a very oriental notion....like Hari Kari.....which does have an accepted place in
Japanese society, even today.
Interesting thought. The little knife could be incorporated into the football uniform.
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We've all heard that we shouldn't judge others, but today we have a very special video that really shows why judging someone is not only
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Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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that's a great video for sure!!!
i don't know how it fits here tho. preconceived notions have been around since the humans started walking upright. my point isn't stereotyping.
having an opinion on bad behavior is not a crime. sure, i see how stupid Junior's action was. i wish he was strong enough to get some help, heck i
wish all of us nothing but the best from this merry-go-round life. it still doesn't negate the fact that he made a bad decision that costs everyone
around him more than it did him. and that is saying a lot.
maybe if i watch enough news on the tv so that when they finally get around to naming I-8 the I-55 i'll get it. but don't hold your breath on that!
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