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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I always try and keep in mind that venom is the snake's predigestion fluids at work. It serves to break down tissue, and that a bite from a foot and a
half long baby rattler could possibly be a lot more deadly than one from a larger snake. I certainly am no expert but I know enough to get to la
clinica pronto if I should ever be unfortunate enough to be bitten. About 25-years ago I and two pangueros from Agua Verde searched for and found a
couple of "rattle-less" rattlesnakes on Isla Catalán.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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El Jefe
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From the classes I had in the FD I learned a couple of things. The venom does start the digestion process on your skin and that combined with the
heavy swelling can leave terrible scarring. I've seen the pics.
Also, we were taught that rattlers are territorial. If you relocate one it is likely going to be into another rattler's area. They will fight to the
death. So, this helps me to be able to just kill them when they come into my territory..
No b-tchin\' in the Baja.
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Osprey
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Jefe, works the same for me with baby surfers.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Osprey, you digest them? Ewwwwww!
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Skeet/Loreto
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Hey!
Dont you people bother my Sankes on Sta Catalana Isla.
I transplanted 6 Rattlesnakes there last year and hope that they will intergrate with the Rattleless Snakes There. it will be interesting to see what
happens, If you just want to watch them they are easy to find on the Northwest side of the Isla.
If any of you really want to find out about the Snakes go to the Sweetwater Texas RattleSnake Round up every year the third Week of March.
The way we handles a Bite as a Kid was to use a Razor Blade and make a cut where the Fangs went in then Suck out the Posion/sure and wash your mouth
outh good after several good Sucks.
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Osprey
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Skeet, you suck and your Darwin Jr. playing God/Gomer thing does too.
It took millions of years for the Red Rattlesnake to lose his rattles. Now you want to hybrid them back in one afternoon!
You need a Texas whuppin for that.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Skeet, you suck and your Darwin Jr. playing God/Gomer thing does too.
It took millions of years for the Red Rattlesnake to lose his rattles. Now you want to hybrid them back in one afternoon!
You need a Texas whuppin for that. |
Rattlesnakes are dangerous enough when they rattle, but when they don't rattle you have a real problem. Rattlesnakes without rattles are a recipe for
disaster. As a person that has been hit (deflected by leather boots) 3 different times by rattlers, I am hyper about this. Evolution or not, man's
safety takes precedence in my book.
Barry
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Skeet, you suck and your Darwin Jr. playing God/Gomer thing does too.
It took millions of years for the Red Rattlesnake to lose his rattles. Now you want to hybrid them back in one afternoon!
You need a Texas whuppin for that. |
skeet is just telling tales like usual. he said he did this last year? he may have tried it 40 years ago, but doubt he did it last year. skeet and
facts rarely coincide
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Skeet/Loreto
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I was very selective in my choice of Snakes to be tranplanted. They were all Diamond Backs with 6 rattlers and good condition. Taken from a Den 7
miles South of Sweetwater Texas. They were safely transported and when freeded were left with the Carcess of two Rabbits for food.
I had been on the Isla and knew where the Rattless snakes Hang out during April. They are easy to spot.
It will be interesting to see what will happen in the next few years. I have made sure my Grandson has all the Pappers and Photos when I pass on.
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tehag
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Confessions of Skeet
Pretty public place to openly confess to breaking a whole load of US, Mexican, and international laws concerning transportation and deliberate
liberation of species. If the biologists currently engaged in herpetology studies on that island find any physical evidence of such activity they
won't have much trouble finding the culprit. They can denounce said culprit to all interested authorities.
Starlings, mongooses, cottontail rabbits, etc. have demonstrated very clearly that that kind of f'ing around with nature is potentially disastrous.
Certainty is the child of ignorance, knowledge is the mother of doubt. Question everything!
http://bcsbirds.com |
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Skeet/Loreto
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"Potentially Disastrous""???
Are you referring to "Global Warming" ???
There are "No laws broken it what I did".
Please list them in your next Post.
Canot you just see a bunch of thos Eco Nuts even having the Balls to go to the Isla where there are Snakes!! Those wimps like to stay Home and collect
the donated Money and spend it on DOPE.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Skeet, you suck and your Darwin Jr. playing God/Gomer thing does too.
It took millions of years for the Red Rattlesnake to lose his rattles. Now you want to hybrid them back in one afternoon!
You need a Texas whuppin for that. |
Rattlesnakes are dangerous enough when they rattle, but when they don't rattle you have a real problem. Rattlesnakes without rattles are a recipe for
disaster. As a person that has been hit (deflected by leather boots) 3 different times by rattlers, I am hyper about this. Evolution or not, man's
safety takes precedence in my book.
Barry |
So what would you do with the venomous snakes that don't have rattles. More park rangers are wildlife biologists. guess you were.....
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
"Potentially Disastrous""???
Are you referring to "Global Warming" ???
There are "No laws broken it what I did".
Please list them in your next Post.
Canot you just see a bunch of thos Eco Nuts even having the Balls to go to the Isla where there are Snakes!! Those wimps like to stay Home and collect
the donated Money and spend it on DOPE. |
bull pucky. thats a protected area....but I guess you are for "do what ever you want, where ever you want"
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goldhuntress
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They are classified as critically endangered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotalus_catalinensis
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Skeet, you suck and your Darwin Jr. playing God/Gomer thing does too.
It took millions of years for the Red Rattlesnake to lose his rattles. Now you want to hybrid them back in one afternoon!
You need a Texas whuppin for that. |
Rattlesnakes are dangerous enough when they rattle, but when they don't rattle you have a real problem. Rattlesnakes without rattles are a recipe for
disaster. As a person that has been hit (deflected by leather boots) 3 different times by rattlers, I am hyper about this. Evolution or not, man's
safety takes precedence in my book.
Barry |
barry:
sounds like you advocate for extinction of all species you consider dangerous to humans. every year humans kill more humans than rattlesnakes do, so
might as well exterminate humans too! or practice selective elimination of anyone that barry finds objectionable...
bears have killed humans, so exterminate them! or cross breed them with golden retrievers so they lick you to death...
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Skipjack Joe
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Looks like Skeet is still fishing. Only now he's reeling in nomads.
I don't believe any of it.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Skeet, you suck and your Darwin Jr. playing God/Gomer thing does too.
It took millions of years for the Red Rattlesnake to lose his rattles. Now you want to hybrid them back in one afternoon!
You need a Texas whuppin for that. |
Rattlesnakes are dangerous enough when they rattle, but when they don't rattle you have a real problem. Rattlesnakes without rattles are a recipe for
disaster. As a person that has been hit (deflected by leather boots) 3 different times by rattlers, I am hyper about this. Evolution or not, man's
safety takes precedence in my book.
Barry |
barry:
sounds like you advocate for extinction of all species you consider dangerous to humans. every year humans kill more humans than rattlesnakes do, so
might as well exterminate humans too! or practice selective elimination of anyone that barry finds objectionable...
bears have killed humans, so exterminate them! or cross breed them with golden retrievers so they lick you to death... |
Hmmmmm, That sounds like the old "bad behavior" is justified by more "bad behavior" argument. Since humans kill humans, then snakes killing humans is
ok, by your standards?? Interesting. The National Park Service moves and kills dangerous animals all the time when they are deemed a threat to
man--------duh!!!!! It's all a matter of priorities.
Barry
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goldhuntress
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These live on an island and are protected. I don't think we have to worry about them biting us.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Skeet, you suck and your Darwin Jr. playing God/Gomer thing does too.
It took millions of years for the Red Rattlesnake to lose his rattles. Now you want to hybrid them back in one afternoon!
You need a Texas whuppin for that. |
Rattlesnakes are dangerous enough when they rattle, but when they don't rattle you have a real problem. Rattlesnakes without rattles are a recipe for
disaster. As a person that has been hit (deflected by leather boots) 3 different times by rattlers, I am hyper about this. Evolution or not, man's
safety takes precedence in my book.
Barry |
barry:
sounds like you advocate for extinction of all species you consider dangerous to humans. every year humans kill more humans than rattlesnakes do, so
might as well exterminate humans too! or practice selective elimination of anyone that barry finds objectionable...
bears have killed humans, so exterminate them! or cross breed them with golden retrievers so they lick you to death... |
Hmmmmm, That sounds like the old "bad behavior" is justified by more "bad behavior" argument. Since humans kill humans, then snakes killing humans is
ok, by your standards?? Interesting. The National Park Service moves and kills dangerous animals all the time when they are deemed a threat to
man--------duh!!!!! It's all a matter of priorities.
Barry |
Barry duh.. how many "rattlers" were tagged as dangerous? so extinguish all of them???
[Edited on 5-15-2012 by rts551]
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bajachris
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My dog gets rattle snake vaccine one per year. Vet says may not need much treatment if bitten. A better approach is to have your dog take rattlesnake
awareness training. My dog saved my husband's life by not letting him out the door to the house. Coiled up rattler right outside. The training is
incredibly effective. Another time I was walking the dog, he saw a snake on the trail ahead and he made me turn around. The guy who trained my dog was
awesome, but he passed away of old age. Not sure who I would recommend now. They need refresher training about annually. I started going less than
annually because I noticed my dog did not forget and I felt bad putting him through the terrifying training. Especially if you show up to training and
are downwind from the snake and your dog knows there's a snake and doesn't want to get out of the car. The training involves a milked mouth bound
rattler. The handler makes your dog aware of site, sound and smell of the rattler. Dog has a shock collar around neck. It only took one time for my
dog to never want to get near the snakes again. Sometimes large sticks freak him out..
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