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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
I had a point to make when I started this thing, of this I am sure. Anyone have any idea which valve to hit in Baja Sur to get the water problem
solved?
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A. Remove all golf courses. If you choose to live in the desert don't try to recreate a northern environment (scotland). No fountains, tambien.
B. It seems to me that windmills are inefficient. The wind hits the propeller and continues past it. Thus a small fraction of the energy available is
used by each windmill. To use it fully you should end up with still air on the other side. And if you could achieve that you wouldn't have to have
rows and rows of windmills abreast of one another. No need to draw your curtain. I'm talking off the top of my head because I actually know very
little of the technology.
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Osprey
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If I had my say you would all be on our local water board. (Then we could get down with some serious water-boarding). From all the ideas would flow
some workable solutions to our water woes.
In the canyon above the little village of Boca de la Sierra (not far from here) there is a dam (which fills up with silt/mud like the others) but
locals 100 years ago built a one kilometer aquaduct that still serves the people, their stock and their crops of albahaca, tomates and mangos. One
might ask "why not do that in the other canyons?".
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Iflyfish
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"why not do that in the other canyons?".
Good question. I wonder how much water is lost to evaporation in this open aquaduct?
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Osprey
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Hardly any. It outruns it.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I see the towers in the pass west of Palm Springs and think-------"that is the future" and that gives me a shiver up and down my leg....
Barry |
Given the career and profession you chose and worked a lifetime, to me you are an enigma. |
Not really, SkipJack---------there are places that need to be preserved forever, and others that need to be sacrificed or compromised for progress and
the survival of mankind, I believe. Yes, we lived in some of the most beautful places on earth (Grand Canyon, Glacier N. Pk, Dinosaur N. Mon, Cape
Hatteras and Nags Head, N.C., etc., etc.) and it was at those places that we realized that WE were the instrusion (all our houses were within the
Parks). But when we moved to the Imperial Valley we realized that beauty is your interpretation of what you are looking at-------we loved the
Imperial Valley just as much as the Parks, but certainly it was a different type of beauty------the beauty of man's endeavors. It's all good!!!!
Barry
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
there is "risk" involved if you want to make some money, but that is why you are paid well-------and get tax breaks-------for the "risks" that you
take.
Barry |
Yeah, we all saw some of that "risk" in action in the last several years when we the taxpayers paid to bail out the "risk takers."
As they say, privatize the profits and socialize the loses. Some "free market" that is.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
there is "risk" involved if you want to make some money, but that is why you are paid well-------and get tax breaks-------for the "risks" that you
take.
Barry |
Yeah, we all saw some of that "risk" in action in the last several years when we the taxpayers paid to bail out the "risk takers."
As they say, privatize the profits and socialize the loses. Some "free market" that is.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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David K
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...and those bailouts were very wrong Steve.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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On a day with a 30 mph wind, you can light a BIC behind the blades of a wind generator. The losses are in electromechanical mechanisms, and within the
turbine and generator itself. A 100 ampere automobile alternator requires 4.4 horsepower @ full rated output. Fourteen hundred watts. There are 746
watts = one horsepower at 1.0 pf.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
...and those bailouts were very wrong Steve. |
AMEN, David.
Barry
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I see the towers in the pass west of Palm Springs and think-------"that is the future" and that gives me a shiver up and down my leg....
Barry |
Given the career and profession you chose and worked a lifetime, to me you are an enigma. |
Not really, SkipJack---------there are places that need to be preserved forever, and others that need to be sacrificed or compromised for progress and
the survival of mankind, I believe. Yes, we lived in some of the most beautful places on earth (Grand Canyon, Glacier N. Pk, Dinosaur N. Mon, Cape
Hatteras and Nags Head, N.C., etc., etc.) and it was at those places that we realized that WE were the instrusion (all our houses were within the
Parks). But when we moved to the Imperial Valley we realized that beauty is your interpretation of what you are looking at-------we loved the
Imperial Valley just as much as the Parks, but certainly it was a different type of beauty------the beauty of man's endeavors. It's all good!!!!
Barry |
So there was a change in values.
The high rises of New York City are truly beautiful, as is SF's skyline when viewed from Treasure Island. Most of man's beauty mimics the natural
world. That's what made Frank Lloyd Wright exceptional. But neither should replace the other. And certainly capitalism shouldn't be the criteria as to
when and what to change.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I see the towers in the pass west of Palm Springs and think-------"that is the future" and that gives me a shiver up and down my leg....
Barry |
Given the career and profession you chose and worked a lifetime, to me you are an enigma. |
Not really, SkipJack---------there are places that need to be preserved forever, and others that need to be sacrificed or compromised for progress and
the survival of mankind, I believe. Yes, we lived in some of the most beautful places on earth (Grand Canyon, Glacier N. Pk, Dinosaur N. Mon, Cape
Hatteras and Nags Head, N.C., etc., etc.) and it was at those places that we realized that WE were the instrusion (all our houses were within the
Parks). But when we moved to the Imperial Valley we realized that beauty is your interpretation of what you are looking at-------we loved the
Imperial Valley just as much as the Parks, but certainly it was a different type of beauty------the beauty of man's endeavors. It's all good!!!!
Barry |
So there was a change in values.
The high rises of New York City are truly beautiful, as is SF's skyline when viewed from Treasure Island. Most of man's beauty mimics the natural
world. That's what made Frank Lloyd Wright exceptional. But neither should replace the other. And certainly capitalism shouldn't be the criteria as to
when and what to change. |
I totally agree with most of that!!! But, I don't have any problems with "Capitolism", so am not offended when I see some of the visual effects of
Corp. enterprise. In fact, when we visit our Daughter & Family in western Harriman, Utah (S. of Salt Lake City) and sit on her front lawn in the
early morning, or evening, almost the entire viewscape is the BINGHAM CANYON COPPER MINE, and the tailings with all their color are simply
grand-----looks like Park-Like view to us (really).
What I really brand as ugly are peoples homes and yards that have been let go, and piles of junk and trash are scattered around---------THAT is
offensive to me, and I can't understand why the folks that live there have absolutely no pride in the view they present to others and their neighbors,
let alone to themselves!!!
Barry
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Barry A. Excellent!!!
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Wind power requires an equivalent backup traditional power system to function when the wind does not. Since there are times when no wind blows the
reliability is unpredictable, wind is among the most unreliable and costly power sources. People could get used to only using power when the wind
blows or they require a second source.
Wind power requires a grid and storing infrastructure to serve it's users, usually this requires batteries and inverters and cabling and so forth. The
cost of producing wind power and the storage grid is costly in addition to the high costs if use.
Therefore, wind power is unreliable as a constant source of power and is expensive to create, manage and maintain compared to coal/gas. So in every
case with wind power there is a complimentary coal/gas power plant required resulting in zero overall energy savings and in fact double the
infrastructure and double the costs and more waste. People seem to miss the obvious cost and reliability problems with wind and solar power as
solutions for mass public. Don't get hoodwinked by eco-techno-politicians who promote the bad deal of wind power, it is the most expensive source of
energy available to our economy and is not saving energy or the environment.
Subsidies aren't free either, whether you believe that or not, the money for subsidies to wind and solar comes from your budget. Wind and solar
subsidies are paid for by you and your neighbors. Promoters of wind power include manufacturers, infrastructure companies, maintenance companies and
so forth, while in fact wind power is among the most wasteful and expensive solutions, not to mention the visual pollution and loss of open space and
danger to animals and birds in the vicinity.
Building wind power off shore or high in the sky is even more expensive to build and maintain than using land based wind power.
http://windpowerfacts.info/
[Edited on 5-23-2012 by gnukid]
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Barry A.
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Gnukid's post may explain why Boone Pickens is not pushing "wind power" any longer?!?!?!?!!? Pretty grim report, I must say. I have a good friends
kid who has invested his entire education in wind power, and has started a Company devoted to same----------sounds like he is doomed from the
git-go!?!?!?!?!?
Bummer!!!!
Barry
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I totally agree with most of that!!! But, I don't have any problems with "Capitolism", so am not offended when I see some of the visual effects of
Corp. enterprise. In fact, when we visit our Daughter & Family in western Harriman, Utah (S. of Salt Lake City) and sit on her front lawn
in the early morning, or evening, almost the entire viewscape is the BINGHAM CANYON COPPER MINE, and the tailings with all their color are simply
grand-----looks like Park-Like view to us (really).
Barry |
No, Barry, we have little in common.
To me your above quote is akin to admiring to bomb dropped on Hiroshima and exalting over it's shape and colors.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I totally agree with most of that!!! But, I don't have any problems with "Capitolism", so am not offended when I see some of the visual effects of
Corp. enterprise. In fact, when we visit our Daughter & Family in western Harriman, Utah (S. of Salt Lake City) and sit on her front lawn
in the early morning, or evening, almost the entire viewscape is the BINGHAM CANYON COPPER MINE, and the tailings with all their color are simply
grand-----looks like Park-Like view to us (really).
Barry |
No, Barry, we have little in common.
To me your above quote is akin to admiring to bomb dropped on Hiroshima and exalting over it's shape and colors. |
 To each his own, for sure. (I like exploring old Ghost towns in NV, too)
Barry
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David K
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Half of what's fun to visit in Baja are the things man has done there: Old Mines, Mission sites, El Camino Real...
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Osprey
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Boy, this could lead to some juicy posts on a very deep level. Are we close to examining how we see ourselves on the planet? Great new talking point:
"Yosemite kind of beauty in NYC"
I'll go first: Frank Lloyd Wrong. I would much rather have experienced the planet (all of it) in its natural state than at any time after man could
have built henges and lines and make-believe mountains.
Anybody see something else?
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ncampion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Boy, this could lead to some juicy posts on a very deep level. Are we close to examining how we see ourselves on the planet? Great new talking point:
"Yosemite kind of beauty in NYC"
I'll go first: Frank Lloyd Wrong. I would much rather have experienced the planet (all of it) in its natural state than at any time after man could
have built henges and lines and make-believe mountains.
Anybody see something else? |
Don't mean to burst your bubble, but without all these "man-made" things, none of us could "experience" the world in ti's "natural state" for more
than a few weeks at best.
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