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SFandH
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The Spanish version says Yamaha outboards. So don't be on the lookout for Kawasakis, you'll never see one. To the best of my knowledge supported by a
quick Google search, Kawasaki doesn't make outboards.
Too bad about the theft. That's alot of money for sure.
Automatic weapons? Narcos?
[Edited on 7-4-2012 by SFandH]
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Fishmagician
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HOOK
It's just a license to steal from behind the badge.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
The Spanish version says Yamaha outboards. So don't be on the lookout for Kawasakis, you'll never see one. To the best of my knowledge supported by a
quick Google search, Kawasaki doesn't make outboards.
Too bad about the theft. That's alot of money for sure.
Automatic weapons? Narcos?
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The motors were Yamaha and the quad was a Kawasaki.
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This event could have easily been stopped if stopping crime was desirable to Mexican Government, the Mexican people and Baja Nomads as well.
Up to and following a major election with a party change in Mexico there is sometimes chaos as many are certain to lose their jobs in the government
so the looting is in progress, this is SOP in Mexico just as it is in other countries.
If you have a society where there is no civil order and people are not allowed to or fail to protect themselves against violence from criminals and
violent government, local, state and federal police are unwilling to provide any help to protect citizens, then you don't have society, you have
complete breakdown of civility. It's controlled chaos. Who would have any faith in the San Juan de Los Plannes police at this point? Why would anyone
give even the slightest support to the government who is apparently violent and integral to crime?
There is little faith in the recent election, votes were bought outright, there are NO victory parties, no faith in government, no faith in
institutions nor the military.
There are some particulars to note in this case, there have long been issues with criminal movements in the area of punta arenas/san juan de los
plannes however, the region of baja is narrow and close to La Paz where military bases exists and there are troops, yet as you can see there is no
effort to secure the region? Yet there is no place to hide, there is one road, the ocean is open and visibility is perfect. There is no way to hide
yet criminals run free?
Last year many pangas with motors were stolen from the beach there, also in Los Barriles and recently in La Paz on the Malecon. None were recovered,
even while there exists a navy, 7 pilots, army, and a narrow strip of land to protect with high mountains that can be used to observe and plenty of
tracking mechanisms to track movement. It is inconceivable that any movement there or throughout BCS is undetected. Yet crime is the norm, police
collude with or are the defacto criminals.
Everyone is aware of Fast and Furious, the massive dumping of weapons by the Obama administration apparently to destabilize Mexico. Mission
accomplished.
There is a massive peace and non-violence movement in Mexico which is under attack today by forces throughout the Nation, many incidents of repression
against non violent people are reportedly occurring daily, oppression, violence, the assassination of AMLO's campaign leader has just occurred. Things
are spiraling into worse chaos in a well choreographed destruction of society.
Everyone, even Nomads with their heads in the sand must be aware that today is a time of chaos in Mexico, uncertainty reigns, and of course fear for
safety. There is a vast separation between the opinion of the people and the government.
It's every person's responsibility to take responsibility for the safety and security of their home and community, each Baja Nomad must also
understand that when you allow crime to occur and you don't speak up, organize and hold yourself, the local, state and federal police to task for
failures, you allow crime to destroy your community.
[Edited on 7-4-2012 by gnukid]
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VERY WELL WRITTEN
And I for one dont get why folks are not up in arms about the "fast and furious BS" tracking or lack of is the lamest excuse this goverment has
given since 9/11 !!! SHEEP people.... I guess that florlide in the water is working !!
[Edited on 7-4-2012 by captkw]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
And I for one dont get why folks are not up in arms about the "fast and furious BS" tracking or lack of is the lamest excuse this goverment has
given since 9/11 !!! SHEEP people.... I guess that florlide in the water is working !!
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I, too, am dismayed with this. I had no idea our own US government was
behind this and don't understand why everyone is so complacent in accepting this disgusting manipulation and out-front coverup. This needs to be
addressed here on Nomad with its own, active thread.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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Fishmagician
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gnukid makes a bi.g point, if you don't make a cry to the politicians in Mexico for law and order it will never come. It's not the USofA, it's been
that way for hundreds of years. The people know there is no law enforcement - so there is little if any risk in stealing boats and ATVs. If Mexico put
professional policemen in small communities it might threaten the powers to be. Keep the money in Mexico City, keep the people pour as church mice and
that keeps all the power in Mexico City. The only way to undermine this thinking it to cry out and cry out loudly. No mas.
There are many, many people in the USofA that want AG Holder held responsible for the blunders of Fast and Furious, as he should be. It will take the
noise of the people to make that happen. Fast and Furious was a total blunder from the get-go. I don't believe it was to destabilize Mexico, it would
take too many guns and other programs would have been more effective.
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| Quote: | | And I for one dont get why folks are not up in arms about... |
| Quote: | | I.... don't understand why everyone is so complacent in accepting this disgusting manipulation and out-front coverup |
| Quote: | ....SHEEP people.... I guess that florlide in the water is working !!
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What a bunch of judgmental activists. How about some direction, nomads, on how to stop theft in Baja.
Why is it a problem to pay for gas so cops can do their job? How about a bonus for cops solving a case?
Criminals know gringo booty is insured and boats, motors and ATV's will be replaced.
Just so things are clear, automatic weapons are plentiful in MX, thefts are willing to show up with weapons, big ticket items are targeted, cops need
financial motivation, government in disarray.
My priorities are fishing and surfing, staying under the radar, I'm on vacation. I'm up for an email campaign. I am not a political or social
activist. I am not a citizen and not looking to get kicked out of the country.
Those activists willing to lead the charge in some way, please step forward?
Solutions?
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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You should read further what actually happened at Waco, and Ruby Ridge. I read Danny Coulson's version of the FBI's conduct at both of these events,
and accounts of the ATF agents and supervision. Janet Reno should have resigned, the directors of the FBI and ATF should have been terminated from
employment not merely allowed to resign and field commanders should have received jail sentences.
It is one thing to apprehend criminals like David Koresh and Randy Weaver, it is quite another to pay federal wages and benefits to individuals who
could not and can not find the intelligence in order to conduct field enforcement in a proper and logical manner. Both of these suspects could have
been apprehended by clandestine interdiction long before they were alerted to the fact that they were under surveillance and subject to warrant
arrest. Both frequented towns and public areas but then were alerted to the fact that they were federal fugitives. The assertion that ATF intelligence
determined "Koresh rarely left the compound", is pure hogwash designed to nail boards across ATF supervisory anuses.
The FBI and the ATF have "cowboys" in their ranks, that spoil for old fashioned shootouts. Danny Coulson was one of them. Read his book. I could not
believe he sanctioned on-site the move by ATF to place agents on the roof of the compound and then condone them firing down into a structure known to
have children inside. Coulson should have gone to jail.
Fast and Furious was and is an idiotic idea that should have been quashed even BEFORE it reached district headquarters upper echelon level. As a
former supervisory deputy sheriff reserve, had I EVER forwarded a plan to senior management like what was instituted in Fast & Furious I would
have been asked for my badge.
We pay serious money, for serious budgets to these agencies so senior planning personnel can have an ability to derive intelligent methods to attack
issues and adversaries. What we got was "Ruby Ridge" mentality and "Waco" execution.
When a Navy ship runs aground, it isn't the quartermaster who gets keelhauled. The attorney general, and the head of the ATF need to resign, and
apologize for their negligence.
My 4 July Rant
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shari
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hey those were pretty good fireworks David
I agree with some constructive solutions to the crime problems in baja. I really liked the idea of boaters getting a tracking device or chip like lost
dogs...creative alarms or anti-theft devices would be a capital idea on vehicles and boats.
Many pilots have come up with anti theft mechanisms on their planes because some have been stolen so the boaters should follow suit ....particularly
if they are going to anchor their boats in areas of known thefts.
I find it hard to blame the cops as they are not trained or paid what they should be...most local cops are just regular folks who needed a job and
many aren't paid regularly nor do the municipalities have any money to pay for extra gas etc....They are just traffic cops and not trained to
investigate crime. the screening process is less than admirable so they are bound to get some shady characters on the force.
It's easy to say oh get some good cops but one must realize that this is a major hurdle and would require revamping the whole police system...which
would be terrific and is obviously necessary if Mexico wants to reduce crime.
So as suggested...it is up to the individual to try to avoid being a victim, think about self defence, report crimes witnessed, making noise about
atrocities and injustices, pressuring politicians to improve police training and whatever you have to do to protect yourself. One can get a gun
registered so you can carry one in your vehicle...lots of paperwork etc, but it can be done....or there are lots of weaponish things you can have
handy just in case.
[Edited on 7-4-2012 by shari]
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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One of the biggest mistakes that tourists make is to mistake a cop's request for gas money to resolve a crime as being mordida. These guys pay for
their own gas and flat tires, or lose their job. One time I was burgled and I gave a cop the eqvt. of twenty dollars to go find the crooks. I told him
there was another "fifty" in it when he knocked on my front door, showed me some of the loot, and had suspects in custody. I got seven hundred dollars
worth of stuff returned, the crooks went to jail (they weren't the cops by the way) and I was satisfied. If I had someone really hurt me, I know I
could wait until they were in the reclusorio, and pay someone a hundred dollars to have other inmates "process" the bad guy. There are ways, and some
of them aren't nice. I am not overly fond of people that hurt the innocent.
Lock up the batteries, in a bust-open-proof container on board and have them switched off or disconnected inside the box. Two hundred horsepower
outboards are a tad difficult to pull start.
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Just my observation:
I live in Los Barriles/Buena Vista and have heard lots of stories surrounding the theft of boats, here is my dos centavos:
First of all they don't board the boat, start it and drive away, they pull up to it quietly in a panga and tow it away. Lot's of people blame it on
the shrimpers....maybe? Who knows? I don't know about the "strip and sink" theory, have you ever tried to sink a boat without motors on it? If you cut
it up with a chain saw you would have a bunch of floating pieces....I don't think sinking the boat is possible but again, these are my thoughts.
You should have a "spot tracker, Lojac, or similar tracking devise on your boat"....I would ask "why"? There isn't any governing body that is
interested in going after your boat. No Navy, no Marines, no Coast Guard, no police....you get the idea, you are on your own.
Let's just assume that you have some sort of devise on your boat and it alerts you to the fact that your boat is moving away from where you parked it,
what do you do? Call the cops? the Navy? of course not. How about getting a couple of your buddies together and chasing after them in another boat?
Yea, sure, go out in the dark and chase criminals who are probably armed and dangerous out in the ocean with no law enforcement....not going to
happen....
If you have a boat that the crooks want (big hp panga, center console etc.) and you leave it unattended and uninsured you are stupid...or maybe
clueless..
Life is tougher if you're stupid......dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Thank you, David. The voice of reason.
Although....there was one time you told me not to listen to your advice 
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
It's easy to say oh get some good cops but one must realize that this is a major hurdle and would require revamping the whole police system...which
would be terrific and is obviously necessary if Mexico wants to reduce crime.
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"if Mexico wants to reduce crime."
does mexico want to reduce crime?
i think the plutocracy that runs mexico just doesn't care very much.
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Part of the problem comes from not having a more basic understanding of the system here. If you have a theft and go to the local police in your small
town or village, you are getting someone with very limited knowledge and very little if any, training who is usually paid in the neighborhood of $400
US per month. The one thing they are good at is that they have the pulse of the community and may know more of what goes on than one would think but
be aware of their limitations.
On the other hand, the Ministerial Police are a, I think, Federal Police or at least a State Police, and are highly trained and very aggressive
about crime. The locals literally shake in their boots when the Ministerial come to interrogate. Whether it is true or not, they believe that you go
to the back room with blackjacks and maybe even things electrically connected to your gonads. They seem to get to the bottom of things quickly and
effeciently.
The challenge, for most Norteamericanos is that they assume that the local police are just like back home in the states, but in my experience that
is seldom the case. In our area the Ministerial offices are both in Mulege and Santa Rosalia. In Los Planes there was no office, but there was an
office of MInisterial in San Antonio.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Fishmagician
There are many, many people in the USofA that want AG Holder held responsible for the blunders of Fast and Furious, as he should be. It will take the
noise of the people to make that happen. Fast and Furious was a total blunder from the get-go. I don't believe it was to destabilize Mexico, it would
take too many guns and other programs would have been more effective. |
Some of the leaked e-mails indicate the purpose was not to destabilize Mexico but to allow a bunch of these firearms to get south of the border and
then use that as a motivation for the control of firearms. It was more of an attack on the second ammendment and was seen as a good method of
tightening up and restricting gun ownership. If you look at the people in the AG's office, it reads like a Who's Who of restricting 2nd ammendment
rights.
Now this goes nowhere except in my imigination and what would it be like if they were to remove the prohibition of private guns in Mexico. Overnight
the small crimes would go away if those Goofballs who came on the beach to steal the boat have a chance the campers were armed. I know, it will never
happen in my lifetime, but that does not make the idea any less valid.
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Tehuacán con chili. Up the nose. They could get the pope to confess to cannibalism using that. Too many times when the cops must have a suspect in
custody, they go find one, usually a person of ill repute they don't like. It isn't justice, and the Méxican people are all too wise about this
practice. First, the justice system has to be overhauled. New judges, new courts, new revised laws dealing with issues of the 21st century. Then new
prisons have to be built. And new army and marinas bases which surround the prison utterly.
[Edited on 7-5-2012 by DavidE]
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very good points Dtbushpilot...I agree...so much for prevention of theft. It's like people who want to hire our nephew to guard their plane...no
thanks. If the narcos want to steal it, they will either kill him or pay him off so either way, he's screwed...the military even refuse to guard a
plane...not their job. Our dear traffic cops will make rounds of the strip if you provide the gas
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Last fall at Santispac two Mulege uniformed cops stopped by in their squad car and asked for gas money so they could patrol the beach. I chuckled and
gave them 50 pesos anyway.
Never saw them again. I would have been surprised if I did. But maybe they came back and I didn't see them.
[Edited on 7-5-2012 by SFandH]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
| Quote: | Originally posted by Fishmagician
There are many, many people in the USofA that want AG Holder held responsible for the blunders of Fast and Furious, as he should be. It will take the
noise of the people to make that happen. Fast and Furious was a total blunder from the get-go. I don't believe it was to destabilize Mexico, it would
take too many guns and other programs would have been more effective. |
Some of the leaked e-mails indicate the purpose was not to destabilize Mexico but to allow a bunch of these firearms to get south of the border and
then use that as a motivation for the control of firearms. It was more of an attack on the second ammendment and was seen as a good method of
tightening up and restricting gun ownership. If you look at the people in the AG's office, it reads like a Who's Who of restricting 2nd ammendment
rights.
Now this goes nowhere except in my imigination and what would it be like if they were to remove the prohibition of private guns in Mexico. Overnight
the small crimes would go away if those Goofballs who came on the beach to steal the boat have a chance the campers were armed. I know, it will never
happen in my lifetime, but that does not make the idea any less valid. |
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