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motoged
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Sea Shepherd Conservation Society
Japan has acknowledged that the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society's anti-whaling efforts recently were successful in disrupting their "research" (i.e.
their term for commercial whaling):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112719256
And the Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard said she would fight the proposal for whaling to resume off South Korea:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/asian-nations-conservationists-want-to-sink-south-koreas-whale-hunt-plan/article4391268/
http://www.starfiretor.com/TheWhaleAndDolphinPeopleProject/SlaughterPhotos.htm
"Former Australian environment minister Ian Campbell told Australian television from aboard a vessel of the anti-whaling activist group Sea Shepherd
that the organization would “have to get organized to go out to the oceans and save the whales off South Korea”. "
Just some "nut-job" whale-huggers I guess 
What would Nomads have to say if the whalers dropped by Guerrero Negro for some "fishing"?
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Don't believe everything you think....
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Just some "nut-job" whale-huggers I guess
I guess you are right.
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goldhuntress
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I support the Whale Huggers!! Go Sea Shepard!!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by goldhuntress
I support the Whale Huggers!! Go Sea Shepard!! |
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sancho
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I started out as a tree hugger back in the '70's
backpacking Yosemite, grew to a Baja cactus/
whale hugger in Mex. I can't fathom any other
position, I would feel guilty if I felt any different.
I agree with all the people that have put themselves
out there, Cousteau, Muir, Paul Watson
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Cypress
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I'd rather be a "tree hugger" than a "stump jumper" any day of the week.
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woody with a view
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what ever happened to CardonHugger?
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
I started out as a tree hugger back in the '70's
backpacking Yosemite, grew to a Baja cactus/
whale hugger in Mex. I can't fathom any other
position, I would feel guilty if I felt any different.
I agree with all the people that have put themselves
out there, Cousteau, Muir, Paul Watson |
I am very conscious of the environment and realize that we have exceeded the “tipping-point” due to our activities against the earth. Combine this
with the power of the exponent and we have 250,000 more new people on the planet daily than die.
Ultimately, as a large specie we are doomed, those survivors will be living lives that we cannot even imagine under circumstances that we, even now
with our changing global weather patterns, cannot imagine.
Daily, tens of species become extinct due to our actions.
As to the efforts of individual groups pursuing their agendas outside of the laws that we humans have instituted for the good of all I have no
respect. Thus, I have absolutely no respect for Sea Shepard and personally I envision Paul Watson as a narcissist whose entire career has been built
on self-aggrandizement, lie’s and illegal pursuits.
The actions of Sea Shepard should be directed to changing the laws in a legal manner rather than infringing illegally upon the rights of others.
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Cypress
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Cisco, The "legal manner"? Tied up in courts for a generation, while the slaughter of whales for "research " continues? The "research", AKA eating
whale meat, is practiced by a small portion of the worlds population. Blubber doesn't rate high on most peoples list of food items. The worst
immediate threat to whales is the expanding harvest of krill, one of their primary food sources.
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motoged
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All we can do is at least stand up and be counted....then some momentum can be realized once folks realize they are not alone.
And this works for "both' sides (too bad most people see it as an "either-or" situation....a rather limited paradigm...).
The US gov't (and others) continues to break international and moral laws to achieve its goals....so laws are made and ignored.
Sometimes a wake-up call is needed.
"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything".
We all take a position....and then are (may be) forced to defend it....
Don't believe everything you think....
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dtbushpilot
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I'm with Cisco on this one.....dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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motoged
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DT,
We are still friends ? 
So, do I have to eat a blubber taco when I visit? 
Don't believe everything you think....
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If there had not been people willing to break the law and risk their lives for their beliefs, there would be no United States. The founders were
British Citizens and when working to change the laws did not work, they broke the laws in many different ways.
The protest against the Vietnam war often included braking the law, and it finally was successful. There are lots of examples of environmental
victories that did not always follow the law.
Perhaps it is a matter of which laws different people think are worth breaking and if they are willing to pay the consequences for braking the law
---- unless one is a bankster and then there are no consequences.
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Paul Watson as a narcissist
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Probably --it seems to be the way for all leaders. I wish him well in his continued endeavors.
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Barry A.
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I too am with CISCO on this one.
BUT--------
------as we all probably know, 99% of all species that have inhabited the Earth have gone extinct, and by far most of them went extinct before man
made his presense felt, I understand. As MitchMan would say, "something to think about".
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
All we can do is at least stand up and be counted....then some momentum can be realized once folks realize they are not alone.
And this works for "both' sides (too bad most people see it as an "either-or" situation....a rather limited paradigm...).
The US gov't (and others) continues to break international and moral laws to achieve its goals....so laws are made and ignored.
Sometimes a wake-up call
"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything".
We all take a position....and then are (may be) forced to defend it.... |
Amen, Amen, and Amen
Watson could do some good in the gulf around Mulege. No one else has the cojones for it, particularly the Mexican government.
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I wish him well in his continued endeavors. |
Really Diana?
"infringing illegally upon the rights of others."
When does that stop???
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I love this quote, one of the current Sea Shepard ships, the
Steve Irwin, renamed after the Australian crocadile conservation guy who died,
at the renaming of the ship to the Steve Irwin, his widow wife
was quoted 'Give Him Hell Paul', referring to Sea Shepards harassing the illegal, outlaw
Japan whalers, call him a narcissist, eco terrorist,
all the sucess in the World to people like P Watson,
anyone who is not on the Conservation movement is,
I'll be kind, uninformed and
short sighted
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
------as we all probably know, 99% of all species that have inhabited the Earth have gone extinct, and by far most of them went extinct before man
made his presense felt, I understand. As MitchMan would say, "something to think about".
Barry |
Barry do realize that the presence in time of man on earth is infinitesimal compared to the hundreds of millions of years of specie evolution and
extinction.
Today, percentage-wise, we are losing more species because of man’s direct involvement with the environment than ever before.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I wish him well in his continued endeavors. |
Really Diana?
"infringing illegally upon the rights of others."
When does that stop??? |
That is always a good question to which the answers are pretty much always subjective. Perhaps the rights upon which he is infringing, are "rights"
that are destroying the rights of others --- or destroying something that belongs to the world.
When will it stop? Maybe never as long as people believe they need to stand up for what they believe. And that definitely is on all sides of any
issue or politics -- all sides can justify their right to break a law and infringe on someone else.
Is it right, moral, or what? Wish I had the answer. I know I support what Paul Watson is doing even though he is extreme --- I am a rather
confused believer in situational ethics. I say confused because of so many questions in my mind.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
I love this quote, one of the current Sea Shepard ships, the
Steve Irwin, renamed after the Australian crocadile conservation guy who died,
at the renaming of the ship to the Steve Irwin, his widow wife
was quoted 'Give Him Hell Paul', referring to Sea Shepards harassing the illegal, outlaw
Japan whalers, call him a narcissist, eco terrorist,
all the sucess in the World to people like P Watson,
anyone who is not on the Conservation movement is,
I'll be kind, uninformed and
short sighted |
Sancho you have no idea who you are speaking to.
I am a staunch conservationist. Spent a lot of jail time for just that as a matter of fact. I am certainly NOT uninformed nor am I short-sighted
regarding environmental issues.
Your statement regarding disregard of International Treaty, wishing success to someone who others consider a terrorist and blindly making uninformed
statements regarding the Conservation movement are irresponsible and the kinds of thinking that nations go to war over.
Should I consider you an anarchist? Paul Watson and his inflammatory statements and actions is.
How much do you know about this man and his program??? You do realize he was kicked out of the Greenpeace program do you not?
Get your research and emotions in order before you address me as being "uninformed and short sighted" regarding this issue.
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