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prorader
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Everyone talks about training the local cops, but do you have any idea what that takes. When I was a cop in 1973, you had to have an AA Degree, and a
14 week police academy. Today, like LA, a BA Degree and 30 weeks, plus 1 year probation. There probably isn't any cop in Mexico that has that kind of
training. I have a friend that works for the Attorney General of Mexico, I know he has a Masters Degree, but not sure on basic police training. I do
know he carries a 45 and makes about $4,000.00 US a month, He is so busy I have seen him 2 times this year, not even his family knows where he is
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J.P.
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Leave your Toys in the same situation on any Beach or Lake in the States , Do you have any expectation of it being there the next day.
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Sprocket
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Rules to live by when traveling anywhere. If you cant live with what ever your going to take being stolen, broken, missing or dirty when you get home
don't take it!
My father has very nice Whaler in storage, but still only takes his little metal boat with a 80s something truck to Baja. My family would feel safer
if he traveled in his new f350 and took the whaler but he wont cause he wants to stay under ther Radar.
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Lee
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by Pescador Overnight the small crimes would go away if those Goofballs who came on the beach to steal the boat have a
chance the campers were armed. I know, it will never happen in my lifetime, but that does not make the idea any less valid. |
In a hypothetical situation, this could be correct.
In the context of theft in Baja, this post states that ''5 or 6 armed suspects'' showed up to steal a boat.
If I was traveling with a group of people, and they were all armed, a gunfight might work out. Even then, I don't think killing, or getting killed,
is worth a boat with motors.
Nice fantasy though.
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sprocket
Rules to live by when traveling anywhere. If you cant live with what ever your going to take being stolen, broken, missing or dirty when you get home
don't take it!
My father has very nice Whaler in storage, but still only takes his little metal boat with a 80s something truck to Baja. My family would feel safer
if he traveled in his new f350 and took the whaler but he wont cause he wants to stay under ther Radar. |
stupid rule.....sad world.
..there was once a time I would have scoffed at people's expensive toys being taken as 'asking for it',,,,,
,,,but then I had my '80's toyo van with mis-matched doors,,kayak taken.....changed my outlook
...the theft happened in the north,,but it's clear just the tone of reporting here has shifted quite a bit over the years.....
...sad world
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sprocket
Rules to live by when traveling anywhere. If you cant live with what ever your going to take being stolen, broken, missing or dirty when you get home
don't take it!
My father has very nice Whaler in storage, but still only takes his little metal boat with a 80s something truck to Baja. My family would feel safer
if he traveled in his new f350 and took the whaler but he wont cause he wants to stay under ther Radar. |
Yeah, come down to Mexico, live like a monk and be happy. 
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Hook
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I was under the impression that the whole idea behind Fast and Furious was a sting operation. The guns were "released" into Mexico and were to be
tracked so that the FBI/CIA/whomever could interrupt the pipeline of automatic weapons going from the US to Mexico. But, the tracking part failed
miserably.
If Mexico REALLY cared about deterring crime, sting operations would work wondrously down here. Plant a boat with outboards close to shore, plant a
recovered Cessna 210 here and there. Observe it and nail em. Word would get out fast.
I find myself agreeing with gnukid on this one. Nothing changes because, ultimately, there is so much collusion. Nothing changes because only the
victims want change.
[Edited on 7-5-2012 by Hook]
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captkw
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fast and furiuos
what I understand is they got caught dumping guns into mex and came up with the BS story about tracking so it did not look like the FACT that they
dumped guns and helped stir up the story..I dare you to came up with a way to track a gun,knife,weapon..and yes I know firearms have a S.N. but not a
GPS and are not track able..nope/nada/forget it !!!!! In the real world weopons are not given to crooks to track them..what a BAD<BAD joke..next
they will give the coke addicts straws to track them!! and beer bottle openers to track the beer drinkers...lets get real on this issue..they were
dumping guns to the bad guys for a host of wrong/bad reasons...my 1.5 centovos..........K&T
[Edited on 7-5-2012 by captkw]
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
This event could have easily been stopped if stopping crime was desirable to Mexican Government, the Mexican people and Baja Nomads as well.
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If stopping crime is such an easy task, why haven't we done it in the US yet?
Alternatively, you're saying that all folks who live/travel down here enjoy being victims of crime. Count me out on that one.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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prorader
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Education, Education, Training, Training, Local police are not in any way police that is why they are called security, In the US security is not in
any way considered Law Inforcement. That is why they carry 38's and turn in there guns at the end of there shift. They go home as private citizens.
How can you expect them at $300.00 to maybe $500.00 a month to protect your boat. I use to live in a town where the biggest weapon that the locals
carried was a WW11 weapon, an M1A1 Carbine, against an AK, not a chance in hell, the highest education was middle school. This is the argument to make
the State police the only police in Mexico, better trained, better paid, better educated? Maybe, but from what I read the State Police are not so
good? I would suggest that Mexico go to LA and higher some of the best cops they can get, open a State police Academy, give the already state police a
big pay raise and see if they can cut a 30 week training session. I have my doubts
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captkw
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
what I understand is they got caught dumping guns into mex and came up with the BS story about tracking so it did not look like the FACT that they
dumped guns and helped stir up the story..I dare you to came up with a way to track a gun,knife,weapon..and yes I know firearms have a S.N. but not a
GPS and are not track able..nope/nada/forget it !!!!! In the real world weopons are not given to crooks to track them..what a BAD<BAD joke..next
they will give the coke addicts straws to track them!! and beer bottle openers to track the beer drinkers...lets get real on this issue..they were
dumping guns to the bad guys for a host of wrong/bad reasons...my 1.5 centovos..........K&T
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Cypress
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| Quote: | | If stopping crime is such an easy task, why haven't we done it in the US yet? |
Too many lawyers and too many liberal judges?
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prorader
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It happens in Mexico every day, but have you tried to bribe a US cop lately? Not a good idea. In most towns they get paid very well.
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monoloco
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Here's a more in depth explanation of the fast and furious affair than the sound bite news crap we're most frequently force fed:
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-fu...
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edm1
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| Quote: | Originally posted by J.P.
Leave your Toys in the same situation on any Beach or Lake in the States , Do you have any expectation of it being there the next day. |
I am pretty confident they will still be there or if not dead criminals. In the US not just criminals have high powered guns and sophisticated warfare
equipment, vigilant citizens have them too. I feel naked when I'm in Baja.
[Edited on 7-5-2012 by edm1]
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captkw
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I dont belive a thing with fortune magazine
| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
what I understand is they got caught dumping guns into mex and came up with the BS story about tracking so it did not look like the FACT that they
dumped guns and helped stir up the story..I dare you to came up with a way to track a gun,knife,weapon..and yes I know firearms have a S.N. but not a
GPS and are not track able..nope/nada/forget it !!!!! In the real world weopons are not given to crooks to track them..what a BAD<BAD joke..next
they will give the coke addicts straws to track them!! and beer bottle openers to track the beer drinkers...lets get real on this issue..they were
dumping guns to the bad guys for a host of wrong/bad reasons...my 1.5 centovos..........K&T
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edm1
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
If stopping crime is such an easy task, why haven't we done it in the US yet? |
Too many lawyers and too many liberal judges? |
There are not too many states, like Az, that allow their general citizenry to carry weapons, concealed, wherever they go. Methinks the gun control
lobby is controlled by criminals, directly or indirectly.
[Edited on 7-6-2012 by edm1]
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
what I understand is they got caught dumping guns into mex and came up with the BS story about tracking so it did not look like the FACT that they
dumped guns and helped stir up the story..I dare you to came up with a way to track a gun,knife,weapon..and yes I know firearms have a S.N. but not a
GPS and are not track able..nope/nada/forget it !!!!! In the real world weopons are not given to crooks to track them..what a BAD<BAD joke..next
they will give the coke addicts straws to track them!! and beer bottle openers to track the beer drinkers...lets get real on this issue..they were
dumping guns to the bad guys for a host of wrong/bad reasons...my 1.5 centovos..........K&T
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Yet you are perfectly willing to
believe the dumbed down, corporate network version. Brilliant!
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prorader
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Stupid, every cop in the Us, town, city big city carries a gun 24 hours a day, every day. That is why they are US cops not Mexican Security guards,
that is the big problem local cops as with local people can't carry a gun. even a 38 is better then no gun at all
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desertcpl
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There are not too many states, like Az, that allow their general citizenry to carry weapons, concealed, wherever they go. Methinks the gun lobby is
controlled by criminals, directly or indirectly.
[Edited on 7-5-2012 by edm1]
now thats a little far out,, gun lobby controlled by criminals?
criminals want very strict gun control, so they will be the only ones with guns
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