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BajaNomad
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As Jeans stated, Ted was using a mailing list as a newsletter - but it was left in a condition to allow anyone on the list to reply to everyone else
(instead of a one-way communication).
One person yesterday replied with a remove request (instead of following the remove instructions at the bottom of each email that was sent), and then
it became a snowball of everyone on the list replying "hey, what's with all this email"... and worse.
One of the replies was some travel agency on the list viewing it as an opportunity - and THEY then spammed the list with a commercial message.
Ick.
Anyway, it didn't appear to be a hacker opening up the mailing list, just a mailing list that wasn't administered properly. Again, that's the way it
appears from this side of things.
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Steve in Oro Valley
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email spam
How did they get my email address??
I am very carefull about this. I have given my email out to only a few people(over the last few years) on amigos and the nomad forums.
David K. and Oso are the only two I can think of that I may have given my email to. Oh yeah, and that other (Bajanet) message board requires that I
give them one to read and participate.
It could have been someone else that mined the system for my email address. Thanks to Norton Antispam, the emails seem to have stopped.
Steve in Oro Valley
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David K
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Fear not Steve or anyone on my email book... I do not share your emails, without your knowledge. In fact, if someone wants your email from me, I will
contact you first and let you know who... that way you decide.
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elgatoloco
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It's the internet. chit happens. If you REALLY think someone in Ted's position would do something like this on purpose then flame away. I think it was
a MISTAKE.
Give the guy the benefit of the doubt. As much time as we all waste on 'the internets' is it REALLY that big a deal? Think about the people being
slaughtered in the Sudan.
So we had to hit delete 60 or 70 times. We all made it through and no one really got hurt?
If it turns out Ted did it on purpose then I will NEVER post again on this or any other of 'the internets'. 
MAGA
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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
It's the internet. sh-t happens. If you REALLY think someone in Ted's position would do something like this on purpose then flame away. I think it was
a MISTAKE.
Give the guy the benefit of the doubt. As much time as we all waste on 'the internets' is it REALLY that big a deal? Think about the people being
slaughtered in the Sudan.
So we had to hit delete 60 or 70 times. We all made it through and no one really got hurt?
If it turns out Ted did it on purpose then I will NEVER post again on this or any other of 'the internets'. |
WOW - well said! Hitting the delete button is pretty darn easy. Remember, we all make mistakes - this one seems pretty minor if you ask me -
especially now that it will get resolved (or already has been resolved).
Bob H
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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meme
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Emails
I agree! BIG Mistake unfortunatley for TED!
He would have to be going NUTS to do this to his business on purpose!!
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The Gull
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Let's get it straight
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
But Gull, he was in Acapulco attending a trade show when this happened... So blame his web host or ???
Anyway, it wasn't my fault that person used 'reply-all'.... as it wasn't Ted's. I since added a big warning to the bottom of my mass emailings to not
spam your fellow Baja amigos or use their emails. Everyone understood, and all ended well... I do have a computer now as well as the WebTV.
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Who is responsible for this? OJ? Micheal Jackson? Bush? NO!
At the very heart of this condition in America, i.e., "You can't blame me" is the kind of rationalization which appear in above posts. He's a good
guy, people make mistakes, hey it didn't hurt, I like him, he would be crazy to do it...excuses for the initial act that was wrong. All these excuses
and more for the taking...all free...all too common.
Here is what was wrong...someone, I would not care to find out, used some of our e-mail addresses WITHOUT OUR CONSENT. Is that clear, David? That
started the snowball. Not the "reply all" singsong.
The UNAUTHORIZED use of someone's E-mail.
If someone, again I could care less, wants to admit to doing that, then responsibility has found a home and that person has connected the dots. In an
American society in days of old, that was the standard and we all have the obligation to hold to that integrity standard, no matter what the sliding
scale of society offers as a salve to the pain of personal accountability.
Got it yet, David? If one cannot stand up for their actions, then Martha Stewart, OJ, Darlene Druyan, Robert Blake, Micheal Jackson, and Mr. Peterson
were all falsely accused and only for the sake of arguement some of them got lucky, some not. The first act was the wrong act.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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bajaandy
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As Natalie Ann has said, it's a simple process of configuring your email program to filter the subject line. I used the keyword [mexicovisitor] as
the filter. Once this issue gets corrected, the filter can be removed if necessary.
subvert the dominant paradigm
"If you travel with a man, you must either fall out with him or make him your good friend."
JBL Noel
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Natalie Ann
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Yep, Andy, that worked perfectly. Unfortunately some of are not very computer literate - figuring out that was an option took me a long time. Doing
it was easy.
One thing I would like to clear up, though. A rough count this a.m. was 357 deleted emails I'd received regarding this. On the original email at the
bottom there were a couple of links - only one of which would unsubscribe. I now see that each time I APPROPRIATELY clicked the "correct" link, I
received a new radio announcement from the MXVisitors place - which triggered another round of the exact same emails from others on their list.
It ended shortly after I reported the mailings to the "abuse" address for the MXVisitors site. That simply alerted the server of what was happening;
I did state I thought the errors were inadvertent and asked for their assistance in contacting the MXVisitor site.
And of course Ted did not mean for us to be spammed big time. He's a real good guy. It just became a comedy of errors. And I don't have room in my
aging body to house angry feelings towards anyone. We're all here to learn.
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
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theBajabum
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I think everyone needs to cut TED and co. poquito slack.
Blame here....blame there.......
I'm guessing this it the first time it's happened and it will die down soon.
Drink Tequila and be happy
Nimodo gente
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
But Gull, he was in Acapulco attending a trade show when this happened... So blame his web host or ???
Anyway, it wasn't my fault that person used 'reply-all'.... as it wasn't Ted's. I since added a big warning to the bottom of my mass emailings to not
spam your fellow Baja amigos or use their emails. Everyone understood, and all ended well... I do have a computer now as well as the WebTV.
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Who is responsible for this? OJ? Micheal Jackson? Bush? NO!
At the very heart of this condition in America, i.e., "You can't blame me" is the kind of rationalization which appear in above posts. He's a good
guy, people make mistakes, hey it didn't hurt, I like him, he would be crazy to do it...excuses for the initial act that was wrong. All these excuses
and more for the taking...all free...all too common.
Here is what was wrong...someone, I would not care to find out, used some of our e-mail addresses WITHOUT OUR CONSENT. Is that clear, David? That
started the snowball. Not the "reply all" singsong.
The UNAUTHORIZED use of someone's E-mail.
If someone, again I could care less, wants to admit to doing that, then responsibility has found a home and that person has connected the dots. In an
American society in days of old, that was the standard and we all have the obligation to hold to that integrity standard, no matter what the sliding
scale of society offers as a salve to the pain of personal accountability.
Got it yet, David? If one cannot stand up for their actions, then Martha Stewart, OJ, Darlene Druyan, Robert Blake, Micheal Jackson, and Mr. Peterson
were all falsely accused and only for the sake of arguement some of them got lucky, some not. The first act was the wrong act.
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Mr. Gull, please don't compare Ted to the above list of people... as I wouldn't remain silent if someone accused you of the same... We all may not
have yet met, but we are part of a family here... Baja Nomads. Sure there are a few bad Nomads in this bunch, but Ted isn't one... and neither are you
from what I gathered from reading your posts over the years.
I value Baja Talk Radio, more than wanting to keep a grudge over a day of deleting unwanted emails... You can bet that when Ted returns from his
business trip, he will do everything he can to remedy this folly.
So, be angry if you must, but allow him to make ammends. No murder, tax fraud, or child rape occured because of Ted's web site mistake. Do you still
want to punish him? Well, Corona is one his sponsors... So, drink Pacifico or Dos Equis instead!
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SO
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Wonders of the Internet Connective Zone Never Cease to Amaze me...
Now that I am coming out of my self induced retirement coma, I once again manage close to 100 individual emails a day, especially over the past few
months, and then there is the 300 or more spam and the craziness of the listserve kind a day to filter, so I set up filters to help me from going real
Maddog crazy.
Oh thank heaven for being able to hike and take a break from it all, as the craziness of our people helper computers can and will drive you crazy if
you let it get to you. Will watch what listserves I sign up for in Baja when I make it down south tranquility zone way. I will still listen to Baja
Talk Radio no matter if I get spammed. Haven't checked that other email yet today.
I have listened to Baja Talk Radio, find it very enjoyable when I can find time to listen in, and would not ever bang my noodle to much over a day of
deleting unwanted listserve emails... If you sign up or are in the web expect that if it is human related, it will happen to you sooner or later.
As said above, I'm sure Ted (whom I have never met) will quickly return as mentioned from his business trip, and if he is a real biz person that cares
about his audience, which I think he is, he will do what he can to recover his CFC (Customer Focused Company) kind of guy image, as he probably will
bend over the coals and hot flaming fire to do everything he can to remedy this mistake that is made by many a content provider, as I have done the
same long long ago. As CEO, I would fly to meet the people to recover from any error, as it is important to admit mistakes and correct them. We all
make mistakes... SO I will sign up to the receive Baja Talk Radio emails and set my filters to just receive one email if it is the same.
To be smarter than the tool u are using is never easy, especially when it comes to personal computers.
Have a good weekend all, if you can.
RandyMacSC/SO
(soon to be back into one screen name personality (he he) by Doug's help, as I made a mistake recently signing on to Baja Nomad; two names which is
not allowed and I should have been more aware, and I will flog myself for it) 
[Edited on 4-8-2005 by SO]
[Edited on 4-8-2005 by SO]
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SO
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Now if I could only get off the 6 at dinner phone spam list?
Hello, can I talk to the owner?
"Owner, what owner, I am a just burgular who touches everything that rings a bell. The owner is not home right now, please call back later, and if you
don't get an answer, I have the owner's number in my bag."
Humor them if you can, cause allowing the stress inside the noodle zone will shave those wonderful days in Baja Nomadsville off your life, if you let
it.
"Okay, Telus Mobility take me off your call at dinner time list or I'll wack something close to me."
RandyMacSC/SO
(crazy Canadian gone Baja Nomad, and planning to live to 150 or more, if I can stay focused and positive long enough, as the final 75 I will spend in
tranquility with my second home base in a nice little hunk of heaven in Baja California when I find the time.
[Edited on 4-8-2005 by SO]
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The Gull
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David, thank you for the reply
...but you have not responded to the basic issue
Someone and I did not mention names in my last message (so do not get your underwear in a bunch) DID NOT GET PERMISSION TO USE MOST OF THE E-MAIL
ADDRESSES. THAT MAKES IT SPAM.
You defend someone (no names on my part) has the right to UNAUTHORIZED USE OF E-MAIL addresses, just because you like him/her?
If yes, then I leave this thread to you.
If no, then advise someone (your acquaintance) that the protocol of apologizing begins with the demonstration that he/she will not use this
UNAUTHORIZED method of communication again.
Your acquaintence can send me two cases of Corona. I know some stupid people who will trade me one case of Pacifico for two cases of Corona.
Check out another Nomad's opinion on this: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=9800#pid74111
[Edited on 4-8-2005 by The Gull]
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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theBajabum
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Nimodo
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Baja Bernie
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This whole thing concerned me when I got the first 200 but then I talked to someone knowledgeable and followed his instructions and unsubsrcribed my
self and the problem was eliminated. I had sent Ted a slightly nasty email about what was going on AND I now feel foolish for doing so.
I know that I never make mistakes and I read one or two others who don't either---When I learned what was going on and how it happened all I did was
learn a little more about this crazy machine that I pretend I know how it works.
It was a mistake as far as I'm concerned--and I did learn something from it.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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The Gull
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Spammer gets 9 years in prison
LEESBURG, Va. - A man convicted in the nation's first felony case against illegal spamming was sentenced to nine years in prison Friday for bombarding
Internet users with millions of junk e-mails.
However, Loudoun County Circuit Judge Thomas Horne delayed the start of Jeremy Jaynes' prison term while the case is appealed, saying the law is new
and raises constitutional questions.
A jury had recommended the nine-year term for the Raleigh, N.C., man.
Jaynes, 30, who was considered among the top 10 spammers in the world at the time of his arrest, used the Internet to peddle pornography and sham
products and services such as a "FedEx refund processor," prosecutors said. Thousands of people fell for his e-mails, and prosecutors said Jaynes'
operation grossed up to $750,000 per month.
Jaynes was convicted in November for using false Internet addresses and aliases to send mass e-mail ads through an AOL server in Loudoun County, where
America Online is based. Under Virginia law, sending unsolicited bulk e-mail itself is not a crime unless the sender masks his identity.
While prosecutors presented evidence of just 53,000 illegal e-mails, authorities believe Jaynes was responsible for spewing out 10 million e-mails a
day. Prosecutors said Jaynes made millions of dollars from the illegal venture.
Prosecutor Lisa Hicks-Thomas said she was pleased with the ruling and confident that the law would be upheld on appeal.
But defense attorney David Oblon argued that nine years was far too long given that Jaynes was charged as an out-of-state resident with violating a
Virginia law that had taken effect just weeks before. He planned to challenge both the constitutionality of the law, as well as its applicability to
Jaynes.
"We have no doubt that we will win on appeal, therefore any sentence is somewhat moot. Still, the sentence is not what we recommended and we're
disappointed," Oblon said outside court.
Horne said he might also reconsider the sentence if Jaynes loses the appeal.
"I do not believe a person should go to prison for a law that is invalid," he said. "There are substantial legal issues that need to be brought before
the appellate court."
A judge has ruled Maryland's anti-spam law unconstitutional because it seeks to regulate commerce outside the state's borders. However, an appeals
court in California and the Washington state Supreme Court have upheld state laws that had been declared unconstitutional by lower courts on grounds
similar to the December ruling in Maryland.
Many states have criminal laws against spam, but Virginia's makes it easier than others for prosecutors to obtain a felony conviction, which carries
more jail time than a misdemeanor, said Quinn Jalli of the online marketing firm Digital Impact.
Jaynes told the judge that regardless of how the appeal turns out, "I can guarantee the court I will not be involved in the e-mail marketing business
again." He remains under $1 million bond.
The jury also convicted Jaynes's sister, Jessica DeGroot, but recommended only a $7,500 fine. Her conviction was later dismissed by the judge. A third
defendant, Richard Rutkowski of Cary, N.C., was acquitted of all charges.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
...but you have not responded to the basic issue
Someone and I did not mention names in my last message (so do not get your underwear in a bunch) DID NOT GET PERMISSION TO USE MOST OF THE E-MAIL
ADDRESSES. THAT MAKES IT SPAM.
You defend someone (no names on my part) has the right to UNAUTHORIZED USE OF E-MAIL addresses, just because you like him/her?
If yes, then I leave this thread to you.
If no, then advise someone (your acquaintance) that the protocol of apologizing begins with the demonstration that he/she will not use this
UNAUTHORIZED method of communication again.
Your acquaintence can send me two cases of Corona. I know some stupid people who will trade me one case of Pacifico for two cases of Corona.
Check out another Nomad's opinion on this: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=9800#pid74111
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Thank you Gull... on that point you are correct...
I think the o.k. thing to do is to post (here on the Internet message boards) a request to all, asking IF you would like to get his free Mexico
newsletter... Not send it to every email and expect those who don't want them to 'unsubscribe'.
Have a great weekend... I am going to Baja Sunday for a drive south of Tecate and over to La Mision, then a dinner a Chela's or ??
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David K
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I think asking a question, pertaining to Baja or Baja Nomads is quite acceptable IMHO. If his newsletter was not free, then naturally he should post
the question in the classified ads section here... (again, in my humble opinion).
Have a great weekend Lencho!
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The Gull
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David
La Perlita across the street from Chela's.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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