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[*] posted on 7-19-2012 at 10:00 PM
Has anyone seen this in the backroads of Baja?


A couple weeks ago a group of us were driving across the mountains from Bahia Concepcion to La Purisima when we came across these dead animals strung up on both sides of a side road. We had many ideas on why someone would hang up these carcasses but would like to here if any of you know why someone would do this.




Appears to be a hawk and the legs of a bobcat?




Bobcats & a Coyote




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[*] posted on 7-19-2012 at 10:02 PM


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[*] posted on 7-19-2012 at 10:13 PM


That is HORRIBLE!!! What the heck is wrong with people! Very sad these beautiful animals lives ended this way. And I have no idea why someone would do this.
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[*] posted on 7-19-2012 at 10:28 PM
Here's your definitive answer.


To come across something like this which, to our eyes and sensibilities, is at the very least odd leads to some unsettling thoughts.

Here's the answer as to why you encountered this rather bizarre scene. I showed these pix to my husband who was born and raised up in La Purisima. His relatives are still there and we visit frequently. People up there are either goat ranchers or make the beautiful petate mats woven from the cane that grows along the river or engage in other craftwork.

These gorgeous cats were killed by goat ranchers because they were stalking and eating the animals. The hawk because it was hunting the young chicks.

They were left hanging on the roadside to inform other ranchers that this ongoing problem had been addressed. A simple yet gruesome means of communication among the ranchers who have no phones or other more direct means of speaking with one another.

Its a different world up there, on one hand beautiful and romantically idyllic and on the other hand rough and primitive. The awareness of the harshness of life that both man and animal face on a daily basis is no more apparent than in these photos you've posted.




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[*] posted on 7-19-2012 at 11:02 PM


Why wouldn't the ranchers sell the hides...or processed the hides? There are a variety of uses, including shoes, clothing, horse tack, horse harness, upholstery and even wall or other surface coverings.



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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 06:54 AM


People do what they have to do.
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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 07:28 AM


"Why wouldn't the ranchers sell the hides...or processed the hides? There are a variety of uses, including shoes, clothing, horse tack, horse harness, upholstery and even wall or other surface coverings."


"They were left hanging on the roadside to inform other ranchers that this ongoing problem had been addressed. A simple yet gruesome means of communication among the ranchers who have no phones or other more direct means of speaking with one another."

Obviously no cell coverage.
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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 07:28 AM


Mulegenas answer makes perfect sense to me. I hate to see the grotesque display of these beautiful creatures, but they were threatening the livelihood of the ranchers.

Ranch life is a different world.




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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 07:34 AM


I hate this too and mourn the loss of these beautiful creatures.

Their pelts cannot be sold or used in any way. There are laws in place strictly prohibiting this.

Unfortunately, this is the ranchers' only recourse to protect their livelihood.




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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 08:05 AM


But just let someone, anyone, try this north of the border, no matter how poor they might be!



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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 08:21 AM


I hope I don't see it in Baja!



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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 08:31 AM


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But just let someone, anyone, try this north of the border, no matter how poor they might be!


Exactly!

If we saw dead timber wolves hanging from a fence in Montana there would be such an outrage. Why have a different standard in baja?

A raptor in exchange for a chicken? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. Why not keep the chicks in protected areas? Isn't the rancher responsible for something? In the US they are.

Hanging 3 bobcats to display their danger to other ranchers. Wouldn't one have been enough?
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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 08:36 AM


Anybody who ever lived on a ranch or farm that was surrounded by predators of the livestock is familiar with this. Life and death is an every day fact to people such as we are. We love all animals for their beauty and cunning but we also eat them and kill them when they threaten our livelihood or families.

If you think that the beautiful timber wolves which have been repopulated in Yellowstone should be licensed to go to ranches outside of Yellowstone and eat livestock you probably belong in the city where you wonder if chocolate milk comes from brown cows....no kidding, I've heard that.

We now have a draught in the corn and beans country in the midwest and we have had the water shut off to the southern quarter of the San Joaquin Valley where a lot of tree and row crops have filled the super market shelves for years.....shut off by a federal judge to protect a one inch fish from a pump in the river. The people who get upset over a bob cat's hide on a tree in La Purisima may discover that life and death on the farm can translate into hunger and starvation of nice folks who don't know exactly where their food gets produced.

I know and expect that this post will produce outrage and all kinds of replies. Don't bother.. I won't' read them.

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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 08:37 AM


Less than 30 years ago, in the western ranching areas of the USA, this use to be common practice--------I saw hundreds of coyotes hanging on fences thruout Nevada, Utah, Wyoming and western Colorado.

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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 08:37 AM


I have seen this many many times traveling the dirt roads and trails of Baja's backcountry. And as a note to those who haven't traveled much on the back roads, the ranchers are the law. It's a completely different world and they rule the roost with everything. Always remember that you are the guest. :biggrin:



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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 08:44 AM


I find it interesting that we are using our NOB brain/thoughts/experiences/feelings to something that is happening SOB.....just doesn't work that way



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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 08:51 AM


I had to build stout cages in Michoacan to keep possums from slaughtering chickens and rampaging through the nests after eggs. The iguanas were great, they would end up going after fallen fruit, tender and mature. But the rats! Big rats and they went after tomatoes. The number one attractant for a rat is a red tomato along the coast. Now I know the value of a pair of Jack Russel dogs.

There is scant little to eat out on the desert. One year I remember being given permission to load the back of a flatbed with corn stalks, many of which had withered ears. I took them out to a remote area where "minute steaks" (when they turn lengthwise they were so skinny you could barely see them) were grazing. They smelled the load for many hundreds of meters and came running. They mobbed the truck as I forked over the stalks onto the ground. There were about seven or eight plus three skinny calves. I had trouble getting back into the cab.

No wonder they render beef about as tender as a Bridgestone radial.




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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 08:52 AM


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Less than 30 years ago, in the western ranching areas of the USA, this use to be common practice--------I saw hundreds of coyotes hanging on fences thruout Nevada, Utah, Wyoming and western Colorado.

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It's a different world now Barry. Ethics have changed.

People now lament over what the europeans did to the native americans. But isn't this similar. You move in and blast away at anything that's troublesome, man or beast. There is no attempt to coexist.

We had a rancher here in HMB lose cattle to a local cougar. Do you think anyone was demanding the death of the cougar?

If you can't deal with the problems of living next to a national park or wilderness area then relocate to an area where you feel comfortable. Those are TODAY'S ethics.

Yes, it's different in baja but I still feel that ranchers (especially that hawk) can do more on their part.
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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 09:10 AM


Never saw it in Baja but up in the Panhandle of Texas where I grew up it was common practice. Back in the day the State paid a 2dlr. Bounty you had to turn in both ears off the arimal to collect the Bounty.
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[*] posted on 7-20-2012 at 09:54 AM


People complain about the Nanny State north of the border but want more of it south of the border....:?:



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