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Defibrillators: Let's get the first network in Baja
I think we can all beat out the Mexican government by a large lead in getting AED's installed in crucial areas of Baja, since there is nowhere in Baja
I have seen AED's in supermarkets, stadiums, and shopping malls. I think we need to get volunteers in each area of Baja to start up their program.
Maybe Shari in Asuncion, Gypsy Jan in Rosarito, LindaLou might want to help in Lomas Del Mar, Terry in Baja Country Club....volunteers needed. Let's
call them VBB, or Volunteers for a Better Baja...any other suggestions?
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shari
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I'm in Doc...the ball is already rolling thanks to boe4fun and Los Medicos Voladores and Stan for motivating us.
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DENNIS
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You use an AED on someone and he dies in spite of, or because of it, you will be having your mail forwarded to prison for a long long time. Ensenada
Dr. could pull it off, but not just anybody would be immune to prosecution.
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Bajagypsy
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Shari that is wonderful news!
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You've already made your point Dennis. The machine is totally legal and safe. You might want to do a study on the Good Samaritan Law in Mexico in
comparison to the US. But I would say if the US is allowing them in airports, malls and public places, and know the machine is for the use of the
general public, your legal concerns are unfounded. So are you saying you wouldn't want someone to use the machine on you in an emergency, God forbid
that would happen? In spite of your fear of prosecution, would you, in spite of your own concerns, be willing to turn your back on a friend or
neighbor whose life could be saved by a push of a button? | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You use an AED on someone and he dies in spite of, or because of it, you will be having your mail forwarded to prison for a long long time. Ensenada
Dr. could pull it off, but not just anybody would be immune to prosecution. |
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EnsenadaDr
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Wonderful news!!
Shari,
This is great. I think it's extremely important for us, as the founding group, to share our experiences and tips for others in more remote and not so
remote areas so it may make their efforts easier. Keep us posted on your progress. Another important note in this is that a visitor to Baja would
feel much more comfortable to visit a tourist resort where the latest Medical equipment is available. In general, tourists would do more visiting to
Mexico knowing they have the medical technology that is available in the US, especially the aging population. | Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I'm in Doc...the ball is already rolling thanks to boe4fun and Los Medicos Voladores and Stan for motivating us. |
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No Interest...
[Edited on 10-26-2012 by dean miller]
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redmesa
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I am signing up today for the St. John's Ambulance First Aid Course for CPR and AED use. I have been thinking about this for some time and this
settled it. They have defibs for sale for 1700.00 dollars at the course. Unfortunately, I have been spending less and less time in Bahia Asuncion
but others should consider the training, also. I am not sure what First Aid courses they have in Baja or California etc. but we all should take them.
I have had the course in the past and John had his industrial first aid ticket when he was working. May be time to bring an instructor to Bahia
Asuncion for a training day or two.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You use an AED on someone and he dies in spite of, or because of it, you will be having your mail forwarded to prison for a long long time. Ensenada
Dr. could pull it off, but not just anybody would be immune to prosecution. |
As Bahia Asuncion is such a small town, I assume that any medical equipment would be donated to the clinic so it would be available to all and those
who would be using it would be trained--
I certainly hope that would be the plan.
[Edited on 10-25-2012 by DianaT]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You use an AED on someone and he dies in spite of, or because of it, you will be having your mail forwarded to prison for a long long time. Ensenada
Dr. could pull it off, but not just anybody would be immune to prosecution. |
As Bahia Asuncion is such a small town, I assume that any medical equipment would be donated to the clinic so it would be available to all and those
who would be using it would be trained--
I certainly hope that would be the plan. |
You, and others, are assuming a North American interpretation of the laws, rules and regulations.
Press those paddles to the chest of a national and it goes bad, someone will suffer the wrath of a greedy lawyer along with his equally greedy
clients.
Adíos.
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redmesa
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It seems here, that this is standard equipment on an ambulance and the attendants are trained in all types of emergency first aid. This is a
specialized field and paramedics are the life line for any community's health care. Knowing how we saw Stan help our friend in BA, I think he would
agree.
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AED network
I think this is an awesome idea the good EnsenadaDr has. Once we get a number of AEDs out there maybe we could post a directory so that the folks
know where they are if they need one?
For instance the Rotary Club in Mulege has donated two, one is located at the firestation and the othere is in Posada, south of town.
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Oh, and by the way
The batteries for both these units should be replaced soon and they are over $400 a pop.
Also wonder if anyone out there has had an actual emergency situation and has used an AED to resusitate?
If so maybe you would be willing to share your story?
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Automatic emergency defribillators (AED)were expressely designed and made fool-proof for use by lay people. The idea that you can be held liable for
doing "harm" to someone that is already "dead" is an unfounded urban myth. there is no case law documented to the contrary world wide. As a side note,
they do need to be accessible. Not locked inside a building or fire station. To save a life, with autodefibrillation, it must be available in
minutes..not looking for a "key"...also the new CCR (continuos cardiac compressions) virtually eliminates any mouth to mouth resuscitation in a
"witnessed" cardiac arrest and makes it easy to teach.
My visits are typically limited to the Gonzaga Bay area, but I will volunteer to the task of equipping that area....most likely place to post the AED
would be at or near Alfonsinas....
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The addl component...is after a succeessful resuscitation is the mandatory transport to a hospital for definitive care...a significant Baja wide
concern...
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redmesa
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I think in a small community with minimal emergency equipment it would be best to have it housed with a competently, trained person with
transportation. It is better for the help to go to the emergency, rather than hoping the emergency can get to the help.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You use an AED on someone and he dies in spite of, or because of it, you will be having your mail forwarded to prison for a long long time. Ensenada
Dr. could pull it off, but not just anybody would be immune to prosecution. |
As Bahia Asuncion is such a small town, I assume that any medical equipment would be donated to the clinic so it would be available to all and those
who would be using it would be trained--
I certainly hope that would be the plan.
[Edited on 10-25-2012 by DianaT] |
Do not assume anything. I know of an ambulance that got donated to El Rosario that now stays parked at the persons B&B that was supposed to
coordinate the donation. Just saw it there the other day. He stated a couple of years ago he can use it to rescue tourists on the highway, for a
price.
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The perfect place in our town is the clinic. Most people rush people there instead of calling the ambulance. The ambulance is mainly used to
transport people to another, more established, hospital/clinic.
Blanca. I believe the Abreojos ambulance also services La Bocana, and as such would be way too late for any kind of emergency like this.
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EnsenadaDr
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I have been in close contact with Sandi Straka, at Bajamar Resort, in Ensenada. She is a retired RN, and both of us gave a seminar on AED's earlier
this year. She has the AED that she and her husband bought available to the community 24 hours a day. Anytime the AED is needed, Sandi is available.
When she is not in the area, the security guards, Mexicans, that speak some English, have been trained and have a chain of command of the AED. She
also is everyone's point of contact for emergency situations. Sandi is very organized and actually has her office in Bajamar as the person in charge
of first aid. Anyone who would like more information on how this is done, can contact Bajamar resort and see how closely the staff and the residents
work together on this matter.
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Not entirely correct
Most ambulances and clinics do not have AED's. AED's stand for automatic external cardiac defibrillators and as someone here described, have been
designed for the ease and use of the general public. You might find a defibrillator in a hospital, but this is not the layperson's version. This
equipment is made to be used by anyone. As the article I have read states, the defibrillation needs to occur within about 7 minutes. It would seem
that "waiting for qualified personnel" would negate any chance of survival for the striken person.We need a national if not regional campaign, as is
done in the US, to have these machines available in all public places. The person who is signing up for a CPR/AED class is making the first move in
educating himself and so being educated, can help others learn as well. | Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
It seems here, that this is standard equipment on an ambulance and the attendants are trained in all types of emergency first aid. This is a
specialized field and paramedics are the life line for any community's health care. Knowing how we saw Stan help our friend in BA, I think he would
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