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KurtG
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Both Mexican cops and US officers have, over the years, waved me to the front or told me to ride to the front. On a couple of occasions a Howard-type
has gotten confrontational and I just wave in the general direction behind us and say "that fellow with the badge and gun instructed me to do this,
talk to him." It has always worked. Motorcycles are part of the solution to border congestion, not part of the problem. Been doing this for about
40 years now.
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805gregg
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Go for it, I have, but cross at Tecate it will be easier and a better ride, and hopefully the envious drivers will be cool. get some TKC's for the V
and you will be ok anywhere, I took my V to Baja, a great bike for the ride.
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KurtG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Go for it, I have, but cross at Tecate it will be easier and a better ride, and hopefully the envious drivers will be cool. get some TKC's for the V
and you will be ok anywhere, I took my V to Baja, a great bike for the ride. |
Tecate is really easy for bikes, ride up the hill where the old crossing was then 1 block east and turn toward the border, it dead ends right at the
border crossing entrance. Ride between the concrete barriers and you are right there. Sometimes there are Mexican soldiers or cops and they wave you
through.
Since auto traffic has a stop sign before turning into the crossing it makes it even easier to slip across the lane.
A buddy runs the TKC on the front of his 1000 V-Strom with a regular street tire on the back. rode all over Mexico and Central America with that
combo and loves it. Says it does great power slides!
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Gypsy Jan
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ETIQUETTE
Thank you, Mr. BillM
Please, please, this is a message to people who post on the internet - use Spell Check to spell words correctly, especially when using fancy French
words which do not even relate to your subject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette
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In my years of crossing I have noticed many bikers crossing. They normally just split the lane and get in line right before the posts. I don't have
a problem with it.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I actually find most people to be pretty courteous in the border line. Most people understand that a motorcycle rider sitting still is pretty hot and
uncomfortable and most motorcycles start to overheat if sitting at idle for too long. It's not about being better than or above anybody it's just
courtesy, most people get that. I guess I could turn it off and push it, might save me from getting my a$$ kicked by Howard.....
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It's not a question of courtesy but of fairness. Howard is right. There is no reason why we should all wait 3 hours in line while the guy on a
motorcycle virtually has no line ever. That's just not right.
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DirkEXC
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I hope this keeps going. This is good. It was about 2 weeks ago 4 of us crossed at Tecate on bikes. I found out later David k was in the line at 4:30
about the same time we entered and he waited in line some 4 hours. Anyway we rode to the front had our registration and passports ready and were just
about waived through. I think it took us a total of 10 to 15 minutes from the end of the line till we were across the border.
I would love to see someone get out and make a stink in front of the mexican army and CBP. I am sure they would at least end up in secondary for a
couple of hours.
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bajadogs
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
It's not a question of courtesy but of fairness. Howard is right. There is no reason why we should all wait 3 hours in line while the guy on a
motorcycle virtually has no line ever. That's just not right. |
The SENTRI lane must really get your goat huh?
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KurtG
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
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It's not a question of courtesy but of fairness. Howard is right. There is no reason why we should all wait 3 hours in line while the guy on a
motorcycle virtually has no line ever. That's just not right. |
Sorry this issue offends your delicate sensibilities. Imagine the short crossing lines if 30-40% of the vehicles were motorcycles. You 4-wheelers
are obviously the problem here, you take up way too much space in line. 
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DirkEXC
I hope this keeps going. This is good. It was about 2 weeks ago 4 of us crossed at Tecate on bikes. I found out later David k was in the line at 4:30
about the same time we entered and he waited in line some 4 hours. Anyway we rode to the front had our registration and passports ready and were just
about waived through. I think it took us a total of 10 to 15 minutes from the end of the line till we were across the border.
I would love to see someone get out and make a stink in front of the mexican army and CBP. I am sure they would at least end up in secondary for a
couple of hours. |
It was FIVE (5) FULL HOURS, thank you...  
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Considering the the kind of poor choice a motorcycle is when used for the purpose of sneaking illegal immigrants or large quantities of drugs across
the border, it is easy to understand that the scrutiny would be easier and quicker. It seems pretty intuitive. Plus, virtually every motorcyclist
there is getting twice the mileage of a SUV, produces less pollution, less wear and tear on the road, and can easily move to the head of the line,
pass in seconds, and provide more more space for the smoke belchers who may be hiding something from the BP, and in need of inspection.
There should be incentives for people to do the right thing. When one travels frugally, like a motorcyclist, there should be rewards to encourage
other to do the same. As we spiral down into the third world, we will learn the lessons already clearly known to the rest of the world.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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mtgoat666
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vagobundo:
using your logic, prius driver should be allowed to cut to head of the line too!
and bicycle riders should be able to cut to front also,.... but bicycles are banned and must use ped x-ing; bicycles are street legal -- ergo
motorcycles should go to ped xing too.
it would all be better if our government would just provide adequate staffing at booths. when i go out elsewhere along border, i see that most border
patrol staff is parked in an SUV on a ridge in boondocks, idling the day away snoozing or surfing the internet
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KurtG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
vagobundo:
using your logic, prius driver should be allowed to cut to head of the line too!
and bicycle riders should be able to cut to front also,.... but bicycles are banned and must use ped x-ing; bicycles are street legal -- ergo
motorcycles should go to ped xing too.
it would all be better if our government would just provide adequate staffing at booths. when i go out elsewhere along border, i see that most border
patrol staff is parked in an SUV on a ridge in boondocks, idling the day away snoozing or surfing the internet |
Last time I checked the Prius still had four wheels and bicycles were not motor vehicles. Don't know what they have to do with motorcycles.
I really think the issue here is that those like Howard, Skipjack, and Mr Bill understand that we motorcyclists are having much more fun than they are
and they are simply envious.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
I really think the issue here is that those like Howard, Skipjack, and Mr Bill understand that we motorcyclists are having much more fun than they are
and they are simply envious. |
Mr KurtG,
Stop the trolling and stop the provocations. Nobody is envious and nobody's "delicate sensibilities" have been hurt.
What was stated was that for one group of people to wait 5 hours in line and another to be wisked to the head is unfair. Just respond to the statement
please and leave the rest out. This thread is about etiquette the last time I read it.
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vgabndo
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Assessing fairness...is it fair for a vehicle which can't hide an illegal immigrant, or any meaningful quantity of drugs, and whose riders can easily
identify themselves, to be forced to wait behind all other means of transport with their countless nooks and crannies to be suspected and searched.
This, Goat, is why the threat of the Prius full of Meth disallows it from special treatment. IMJ
...and the fact that it can't split lanes; part of the original query.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Gypsy Jan
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Speaking of Worries About Smuggling on Motorcycles
Our late, beloved friend would ride down to Rosarito to visit us during the annual Hell's Angel Christmas Charity Ride for Toys for the orphanages in
the area.
He had a condition, how do I say this delicately, that from an onlooker's viewpoint, made it appear that he had stuffed items in his pants.
He got tired of being stopped, questioned and taken to secondary, so, he pasted a full length, full-color photo of himself, nude, inside the cover of
his passport.
From then on, he was always waved through, but only after the border agent could control his fit of laughter.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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805gregg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Go for it, I have, but cross at Tecate it will be easier and a better ride, and hopefully the envious drivers will be cool. get some TKC's for the V
and you will be ok anywhere, I took my V to Baja, a great bike for the ride. |
Tecate is really easy for bikes, ride up the hill where the old crossing was then 1 block east and turn toward the border, it dead ends right at the
border crossing entrance. Ride between the concrete barriers and you are right there. Sometimes there are Mexican soldiers or cops and they wave you
through.
Since auto traffic has a stop sign before turning into the crossing it makes it even easier to slip across the lane.
A buddy runs the TKC on the front of his 1000 V-Strom with a regular street tire on the back. rode all over Mexico and Central America with that
combo and loves it. Says it does great power slides! |
I had 2 sets of rims and tires for my V, sometimes I would run a TKC front and Tourance rear good combo, I've now downsized to a DR650, a fun bike.
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motoged
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Gawd..... now we are going to get a diversion into "what are you packing?".
I am sure ALL HA's would have us believe that they are so blessed.
Mr. Bill and Howard....what would you do if an HA got in ahead of you????
I would buy a ticket to that show
My sense of etiquette:
1) Have an attitude of appreciation that I (motorcyclist) am able to be allowed the privilege of heading to front of line, and not expect it as an
entitlement.
2) When in my truck, accept that motos, cyclists, pedestrians may have the right of way before I do in my truck.
In BC the "rule" has recently changed at ferry terminals so that motorcyclists may NOT automatically go to head of line (at least at some smaller
ferry docks) unless directed to by attendant.
I am disappointed, but am not going to endanger a cager's life out of some distorted sense of inequity and resentment....
[Edited on 11-15-2012 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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ncampion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
What was stated was that for one group of people to wait 5 hours in line and another to be wisked to the head is unfair. |
Didn't your parents ever tell you that life isn't "fair".
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Assessing fairness...is it fair for a vehicle which can't hide an illegal immigrant, or any meaningful quantity of drugs, and whose riders can easily
identify themselves, to be forced to wait behind all other means of transport with their countless nooks and crannies to be suspected and searched.
This, Goat, is why the threat of the Prius full of Meth disallows it from special treatment. IMJ
...and the fact that it can't split lanes; part of the original query. |
a naked man on a bicycle can't hide anything. a clothed fat man on a large motorcycle with travel bags can carry 300+ pounds of meth. what about
skeet's naked dope smokers on motorcycles?
the guy riding the donorcycle has a shorter life span, so would be very christian to let him go ahead 
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