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I was saving seats on the deportation bus..... |
I've already reserved the same seat I had the first time. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by john68
We have 9 years of FM3's in book form, 1 year of FM3 in card form and one year of FM2 in card form. La Paz INM now tells us that when an FM3 book is
reissued (every five years) or when they switched from a book to a card, we are reset to zero and we are, therefore, not yet eligible for Residente
Permanente.
The income/asset/skills option is not an option because the rules haven't been developed.
Has anyone in a similar situation had any luck with La Paz INM?
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We have almost exactly the same situation. 8yrs of FM3 in a book, 1 yr FM3 on a card, 1 yr FM2 on a card. And we received the exact same story from
La Paz immigration.
We easily qualify for immediate permanente under the retired/income standards and La Paz immigration agrees!
But, they are not yet ready to issue permanente under this standard until the written procedures are received from Mexico City. Maybe next week,
maybe next month, maybe next year???? The only thing that La Paz immigration can suggest is to change to Temporary Resident and wait for the new
procedures to be issued.
My next door neighbor just happens to be on his fourth year of FM3 renewals and La Paz immigration accepted, no RECOMMENDED, that he change to
permanente and be done with it.
Go Figure!!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by john68
La Paz INM now tells us that when an FM3 book is reissued (every five years) or when they switched from a book to a card, we are reset to zero and we
are, therefore, not yet eligible for Residente Permanente.
The income/asset/skills option is not an option because the rules haven't been developed.
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As far as I know, FM3 time has never counted towards inmigrado status. You are not eligible until after
your 4th renewal of FM2. It sounds to me like that is still the case, they just changed the names of everything. |
More than just the names changed, the new law has totally different processes, any rules from the past no longer apply. As has been reported in
detail in numerous articles over the past months, FM3 and FM2 are no more, they are both temporary resident. Inmigrado is no more (for new
applicants), that's permanent resident.
After a "continuous" 4 years of temporary residence (which includes either FM2 or FM3), permanent residence can automatically be applied for. It's
the "continuous" that is causing the problem: it's being argued that getting a second FM3, or a change to a FM2, requires the first status to expire
so: not continuous, so reset the clock. Four years on the same FM3 (or FM2) are fine, it's the expiry (actually the following regularization) that
was needed to get a new card that is the problem.
There also seems to be some misunderstandings on the alternatives to waiting 4 years. The rules for income requirements (c. US$2.4k/mo for the past 6
months) and assets (c. $125k average balance for the past 12 months) are established and are being applied - either can lead to immediate permanent
residence, as well as slightly lower limits that lead to temporary residence.
All that is undefined is the "points system" which is aimed at young skilled workers (qualifications, language skills, etc). The details of the
points levels will be announced in January but are unlikely to be useful to the typical reader of this site.
Rob
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Riom
There also seems to be some misunderstandings on the alternatives to waiting 4 years. The rules for income requirements (c. US$2.4k/mo for the past 6
months) and assets (c. $125k average balance for the past 12 months) are established and are being applied - either can lead to immediate permanent
residence, as well as slightly lower limits that lead to temporary residence.
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As I stated in a post above:
La Paz immigration agrees with using the path of income requirements to issue "permanente" status immediately. They just are not processing those
requests, YET.
They pointed out that we only have three weeks of validity left on our current FM2's and that the new procedures probably would not be in place within
that three week period. (I'm sure of that seeing as two of those three weeks are the Christmas office closure!)
So, have to switch back to "temporary" and wait until the new procedures are issued.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RnR
La Paz immigration agrees with using the path of income requirements to issue "permanente" status immediately. They just are not processing those
requests, YET.
They pointed out that we only have three weeks of validity left on our current FM2's and that the new procedures probably would not be in place within
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That is odd. San Felipe have been accepting those applications, first one I heard about was several weeks ago. The requirement were published on the
website before Nov 12th.
Just a couple of days ago they suggested to me that ("pension" income of $2.3k/mo) to me as an alternative route for permanent for where only the
latest FM3 was counted (so only 2 years not 7 years).
They did also say there was (separately) the points system, but the rules for that wouldn't be available until January. Nothing about not accepting
the income basis yet.
Rob
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Riom
| Quote: | Originally posted by RnR
La Paz immigration agrees with using the path of income requirements to issue "permanente" status immediately. They just are not processing those
requests, YET.
They pointed out that we only have three weeks of validity left on our current FM2's and that the new procedures probably would not be in place within
that three week period. |
That is odd. San Felipe have been accepting those applications, first one I heard about was several weeks ago. The requirement were published on the
website before Nov 12th.
Just a couple of days ago they suggested to me that ("pension" income of $2.3k/mo) to me as an alternative route for permanent for where only the
latest FM3 was counted (so only 2 years not 7 years).
They did also say there was (separately) the points system, but the rules for that wouldn't be available until January. Nothing about not accepting
the income basis yet.
Rob |
Yep, that's right. You can print the requirements right off of INM's website. This looked like a slam-dunk to me until I got to the La Paz office.
Other offices (other than La Paz) have different procedures.
Have heard that Guaymas (?) is counting all years under previous documents, not just the current document.
Mazatlan, (and now San Felipe) are already processing based on income.
La Paz ???? I feel like telling them to read their own damn website ,but,
You sure don't want to argue with them or.......
WTF
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RnR
Mazatlan, (and now San Felipe) are already processing based on income.
La Paz ???? I feel like telling them to read their own damn website ,but,
You sure don't want to argue with them or.......
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That's basically the reason I'm going for the two year temporary rather than the permanent that would be possible if they counted both FM3s (and
rather than jumping though hoops to put together financial documents).
It's no worse than an FM3 (except for cost) and just makes for an easier life, rather than putting their backs up by pointing out what they're doing
"wrong". It never makes sense to argue with immigration (or border guards!).
Rob
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Well, I'm having to go for two more years of Temporal (after having two years of NI card) because Guaymas WOULD NOT LET ME QUALIFY STRICTLY ON THE
BASIS OF INCOME OR ASSETS FOR A PERMANENTE.
To make matters worse, for some reason (probably incompetence on the part of the INM agent) I am having to submit six months of OFFICIALLY TRANSLATED
bank statements just to obtain the two year Temporal status.
Go figure. 
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Some of my Mexican friends tell very similar stories about the arbitrary application of rules by US Immigration. They are very frustrated. Maybe a
little tit for tat going on?
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Totally agree
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
It's merely a dream, but we should boycot imigration until they get their act together. Their efforts are becoming abusive and punitive.
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Hang an American flag on your home and burn a Mexican flag for some local news people - that will get you a long term stay in Mexico.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
It's merely a dream, but we should boycot imigration until they get their act together. Their efforts are becoming abusive and punitive.
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Hang an American flag on your home and burn a Mexican flag for some local news people - that will get you a long term stay in Mexico.
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Nice to see you come out of the landfill to add your comment, Gull. Now, go back to eating those loaded diapers. 
Merry Christmas, by the way, if you don't plan on hanging around here.
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any recent developments on this topic?
thanks.
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by john68 |
Not really. I ended up putting in two temporary residence applications: my blog post.
No bank statements or bank letters were needed for either in San Felipe.
Rob
[Edited on 2012-12-12 by Riom]
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You know, this isnt rocket science. The rules are, for the most part, easier as written.
It is just astounding that some head bureaucrat in the INM cannot seem to get it together enough to send out clear instructions on what is needed for
each immigration status.............period.
Clear instructions for persons starting for the first time.
Clear instructions for persons renewing an FM3/NI
Clear instructions for persons renewing an FM2/I
Clear instructions for persons who were formerly inmigrado.
There are not a lot of exceptions to the basic rules that would affect most of us like Mexican kids or Mexican wives or husbands or businesses in
Mexico.
And yet a law that is a year and a half LATE in the publishing, takes every office by surprise and spawns so many different interpretations that the
head bureaucrat doesnt seem to be able to monitor it and issue clarifications. Just amazing.
There is NO WAY it is like this for foreigners trying to immigrate into the US, bajajeeper. The rules are cut and dried. If the US government is
ANYTHING, it is monolithic in nature, all across the country.
Today's rant is now complete; sparked mainly by Riom's mention that San Felipe is not requiring translated bank statements (at $6-8US/page!). 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
There is NO WAY it is like this for foreigners trying to immigrate into the US, bajajeeper. The rules are cut and dried. |
Far from the truth, Hook. I've heard stories from credible sources of the arbitrary rules and abuse piled upon Mexicans trying to fight the
immigration process in the US. One such case left me so embarrased to be an American that I cried.
What I'm seeing today, with the process here being as disorganized as it seems to be, is payback, but, after they have their fun, it will all be
explained as the normal confusion that comes with the change of administrations. All we can do is hope this nonsense is temporary.
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I would submit that our immigration laws simply change and the foreigners are having trouble with the changes..........but the changes are cut and
dried and spelled out.
This is a moving target from office to office, down here.
Big difference in immigration between each country? When Mexicans immigrate to the US, they are generally coming in poorer than the average US
citizen. When we come into Mexico, we are adding money to their economy.
Mexico is shooting themselves in the foot with this inconsistency. People are going back to the tourist visas in many cases down here.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Mexico is shooting themselves in the foot with this inconsistency. People are going back to the tourist visas in many cases down here.
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Tourist visas are a recurring source of revenue while permanent residency isn't.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Mexico is shooting themselves in the foot with this inconsistency. People are going back to the tourist visas in many cases down here.
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Tourist visas are a recurring source of revenue while permanent residency isn't. |
Where you been in all this? It would take many years of tourist visas to equal the fees being charged for all the others, at least for those who have
a choice. I'm not talking about the aggregate amount in tourist visa fees accrued by people coming here for a week or two. They have no other choice.
Only the Permanente is "supposed" to be open ended.
Actually, some are now saying that it will only be good for ten years.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
There is NO WAY it is like this for foreigners trying to immigrate into the US, bajajeeper. The rules are cut and dried. If the US government is
ANYTHING, it is monolithic in nature, all across the country.
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From personal experience with the broken US tourist visa application process and the way it works differently in different locations (and with each
different person), I disagree.
Rob
[Edited on 2012-12-13 by Riom]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
There is NO WAY it is like this for foreigners trying to immigrate into the US, bajajeeper. The rules are cut and dried. If the US government is
ANYTHING, it is monolithic in nature, all across the country.
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Correct, it's very monolitic. My Canadain wife just got her Permanent Resident card for the US and applying via Juarez MX it only took 3.5 yaers at a
cost of only $2,500.
Looking forward to getting Residente Permanente status for both of us here in Mx.
Bob Durrell
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