dtutko1
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Season winds down and Burglaries rise.
Everyone knows the burglaries have been bad this year. Especially in the TS/Pescadero area. Residents north of TS signed a petition asking for help
and got some administrative support from the govt. But no real help. This week the breakins seem to have escalated. In one local instance a persons
car was broke into and his Mac laptop was taken. This laptop contained important business info for this person and he offered a large reward for it's
return. No response. He then went through a process to find his computer with the embedded GPS in the computer. He found the house in Pescadero the
laptop was in. We went to the house with the Police (I don't know which branch of the police at this time) He called out the residents (4 men) and
demanded his computer. The residents denied they had it. He insisted it was in the house and told them of his GPS evidence. They then brought out his
computer and returned it. The Police did nothing, but wanted to hold the computer for evidence. The owner would not allow that. I heard this story
from 2 different neighbors who talked first hand to the owner. I am currently trying to find the owner and confirm the location of the house. My gut
tells me to find this house, take photos on it and post them all over town with the message that this is where the rats live in your barrio. Any
comments would be appreciated.
Dorado Don
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volcano
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do it anonomously for your own safety
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monoloco
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Don, I would like to have that information.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtutko1
Everyone knows the burglaries have been bad this year. Especially in the TS/Pescadero area. Residents north of TS signed a petition asking for help
and got some administrative support from the govt. But no real help. This week the breakins seem to have escalated. In one local instance a persons
car was broke into and his Mac laptop was taken. This laptop contained important business info for this person and he offered a large reward for it's
return. No response. He then went through a process to find his computer with the embedded GPS in the computer. He found the house in Pescadero the
laptop was in. We went to the house with the Police (I don't know which branch of the police at this time) He called out the residents (4 men) and
demanded his computer. The residents denied they had it. He insisted it was in the house and told them of his GPS evidence. They then brought out his
computer and returned it. The Police did nothing, but wanted to hold the computer for evidence. The owner would not allow that. I heard this story
from 2 different neighbors who talked first hand to the owner. I am currently trying to find the owner and confirm the location of the house. My gut
tells me to find this house, take photos on it and post them all over town with the message that this is where the rats live in your barrio. Any
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Crime will always be a problem when you have economic disparity between rich and unemployed poor. Rich foreigners will always be targets (yes, I know
foreigners don't think of them selves as rich, but they are rich relative to most Mexicans)
I am not sure how it will go down if you, a foreigner, try to out or shame the local thieves. The locals have multigenerational connections and family
connections, and you as a foreigner are probably a transient, not a full community member.
P.s. always back up your hard drive, and don't leave your computer or other valuables in car
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akshadow
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Drugs?
A mexican friend of mine lives in an ejido near town in San Felipe and he says if he leaves anything laying around it will be stolen. Three or four
other Mexicans have houses within the same fensed area as his and have had the copper pipes dug up, broken off, water heaters stolen etc. These are
poor Mexicans not gringos or rich Mexicans. My friend says much of the robberies are drug users, probably Meth. looking to steal and sell stuff.
So these cases have nothing to do with economic disparity.
"Crime will always be a problem when you have economic disparity between rich and unemployed poor. Rich foreigners will always be targets (yes, I know
foreigners don't think of them selves as rich, but they are rich relative to most Mexicans)"
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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Now is the week to be particularly diligent, especially if you live in an area where people come to vacation during Semana Santa. Lots of roving eyes,
driving around neighborhoods, from out of the area. Just looking for opportunities. We suspect some use the increased crowds to case joints for future
burglaries. Car thefts increase during this week. So, it is a good time to keep all your toys and other valuables OUT OF SIGHT FROM THE ROAD.
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latina
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dtutko1, I would not do that if I were you....Don't forget that defamation is still a very serious crime in Baja California Sur and you could end up
being the one in deep trouble. Even if the evidence is there, the law is on their side if the owner of the laptop doesn't make an official denuncia,
and yes, the police will want to keep the laptop for evidence. It's a vicious circle, but one I unfortunately have lots of experience with....
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Lee
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Be thankful you got your laptop back. Yeah the police want it for evidence and a mordida. I got hit 4 times at La Playa where I live. My
tackle box one night, tackle hip pack same week, another night, my flip flops and canvas slip on shoes. My friend lost her bicycle, Teva's, air
compressor (thief's walked into an unlocked bodega where 2 dogs slept)!
The Pescadero thiefs are well known and the police know who they are. Most people do. Keep nothing of value in your car. All cars need a
burglar alarm (it's a deterent folks). My car has a siren alarm and 2 kill switches.
A ''outside'' dog that will bark is the best deterent. A dog that will attack is a plus.
On taking pictures, it would be best not to be ID'd and recognized. You don't want to be a target down there -- and stuff happens like that.
Don't know your Visa status -- if you aren't a citizen, you could be asked to leave the country. Maybe Perm/Res would be a pass too. It
helps to know people and be connected. The police defend their own down here.
I think the ''have's'' have more and the ''have not's'' have less. Petty crime can only go up.
I know someone in an upper middle class neighborhood in San Jose, Costa Rica. There is always someone home in her home. If her neighbors know
the home is empty, they will break in and steal her appliances. Just perspective.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by latina
dtutko1, I would not do that if I were you....Don't forget that defamation is still a very serious crime in Baja California Sur and you could end up
being the one in deep trouble. Even if the evidence is there, the law is on their side if the owner of the laptop doesn't make an official denuncia,
and yes, the police will want to keep the laptop for evidence. It's a vicious circle, but one I unfortunately have lots of experience with....
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There is no law against taking photos of someone. I'd be inclined to take the photos and distribute them to
people around the neighborhood, just don't print anything derogatory on them or post anything on the internet. We're pretty tight with the local cops
and could possibly enlist them in taking or facilitating the photos. The local police come around all the time and show us photos of the known ratones
in the area and ask if we have seen them around.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I lost between one and two thousand dollars worth of stuff in Pescadero due to breaks in's of car and house. I'll never go back. That area reeks of
"vibes" so bad I'll rather stay in Tijuana, or Culiacán. As far as petty crime goes that region of Baja California is a sewer pit.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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willardguy
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uh oh, here we go.......
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Lee
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Well, look, there is no defense of Pescadero being a sewer pit of thiefery. Unfortunately, if a person can be fleeced down here, it'll probably
happen.
For the good people who make up this town, Mexicanos and Americanos alike, it's a great town with good vibe.
It doesn't help to have thief's in the mist, but that's the way it is. I wouldn't live any where else in The Baja. That's not to say there
aren't other great places down here: La Paz, Cabo, San Jose, Loreto, Asuncion, GN, San Quintin.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
Well, look, there is no defense of Pescadero being a sewer pit of thiefery. Unfortunately, if a person can be fleeced down here, it'll probably
happen.
For the good people who make up this town, Mexicanos and Americanos alike, it's a great town with good vibe.
It doesn't help to have thief's in the mist, but that's the way it is. I wouldn't live any where else in The Baja. That's not to say there
aren't other great places down here: La Paz, Cabo, San Jose, Loreto, Asuncion, GN, San Quintin. |
Well
said Lee. I don't really think it's gotten any worse, 20 years ago when I lived in the pueblo of Pescadero, you couldn't leave a pair of Levis hanging
on the line. There's just more people now, so you hear about more incidents. Personally, I've been robbed twice in 20 years, once for a car stereo and
once for some tools out of my garage which were recovered and the culprits caught, convicted, and served time in jail. It's just a fact of life in
Mexico that you will be robbed if you don't take precautions to protect your property.
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tiotomasbcs
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I guess we should all move to BA to avoid the miserable lives we lead thruout the Baja!?? Culiacan...Oh Boy that's a great streetch. Think I'll go
out and visit the Sewer Pit now. Tijuana? ja, ja, ja Tio
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DavidE
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Anger and disgust got the better of me. Folks may not have had the opportunity to have known the old-time-Baja California, where a dirt poor fisherman
would rather cut off his hand than steal. Security? A broken window in my car in the driveway? A burglary "Go back inside or you will be killed" of a
bodega. Another break-in two months later, where they wholesale cleaned everything out.
If I was tied to an area by economics. And I knew (stake my life on it) that a nest of criminals lived in a particular house, I would part with 3,000
pesos and initiate a most unpleasant process. It would be blamed on drugs.
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dtutko1
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I love the Pescadero/TS area. The people, weather, mountains, ocean w/plenty of fish, great fresh produce etc. Did I miss something? I plan to get old
here. It's hard not to be offended and hurt when you get ripped off (and it happens everywhere). I have to admit and "knock on wood" I have little
experience w/being ripped off, but I intend to battle this crime with some or all the above non violent (I confess to having visions of beating one of
the rats with a big stick), legal measures I can. Sharing ideas on this forum is one method.
Dorado Don
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drzura
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I had my stuff broken into twice. The first time, about 18 months ago, neighbors saw the thief walking down the street with my chain saw, boat
cooler, and some fishing rods. The police were called and about 2 days later the thief was caught; he is now in jail for 5 years. The second time,
about two weeks ago, it appears the thief was scared off before he could steal anything. The cops were called and an investigation is now taking
place. My shed is hardly protected; the wood is all rotten and in disrepair. I am currently in the middle of finished a cinder block garage. The
metal doors made in Santa Rosalia when I come down shortly and bars put up over the windows. It will look like a house in any barrio in Southern
California. This will not be totally secure, but it will provide more protection than I have now. I cant wait to catch some yellowtail soon. 
Damion
[Edited on 3-24-2013 by drzura]
[Edited on 3-24-2013 by drzura]
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