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ncampion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Those who make the Voluntary decision to cross the border and return should have NO objection to paying for their usage IF it reduces the
cost-burden for those who don't.
As an alternative to GENERAL taxation, User Fees make sense.
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With this logic, you imply that US citizens should be confined to the country by the government? I don't think so.
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howabouti
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Those who make the Voluntary decision to cross the border and return should have NO objection to paying for their usage IF it reduces the
cost-burden for those who don't.
As an alternative to GENERAL taxation, User Fees make sense.
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If I take this further, then I shouldn't pay taxes for the FAA since I voluntarily don't fly. Correct? and since I don't feel threatened ( I spend
most of my time in Mexico) I should not be paying taxes for defense. Correct? or where does the voluntary decision part stop
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Paying taxes for the common defence is a burden that should be shared by all. You benefit from having a standing army, whether or not you feel
threatened. I think the issue of defending the borders is also a component of common defence, and the burden should be borne equally by all.
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howabouti
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
If you cross often, why don't you get in the NEXUS program??? |
Will being in the NEXUS program mean the US will waive the proposed new border crossing fee?
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BajaRat
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I'd rather get rid of all the border patrol stops in state and cut back federal spending. 
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by howabouti
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Those who make the Voluntary decision to cross the border and return should have NO objection to paying for their usage IF it reduces the
cost-burden for those who don't.
As an alternative to GENERAL taxation, User Fees make sense.
ALMOST always. |
If I take this further, then I shouldn't pay taxes for the FAA since I voluntarily don't fly. Correct? and since I don't feel threatened ( I spend
most of my time in Mexico) I should not be paying taxes for defense. Correct? or where does the voluntary decision part stop
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Paying taxes for the common defence is a burden that should be shared by all. You benefit from having a standing army, whether or not you feel
threatened. I think the issue of defending the borders is also a component of common defence, and the burden should be borne equally by all.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by howabouti
I think the issue of defending the borders is also a component of common defence, and the burden should be borne equally by all.
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If the payment is commensurate with the quality of protection and defense we get at the border, I'll be looking for a rebate in the mail.
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MrBillM
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Confined ?
It's a bit illogical to equate a user fee with citizens being confined within the borders.
Anyone is FREE to leave. they're just studying a re-entry fee to mitigate costs.
As already noted, such is the case with Air Travelers who seem to do just fine traveling.
Speaking of Air Travel, there likely should be a further shift towards User Fees for FAA costs to those utilizing the system.
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Border crossing FEE
According to Yesterday's news on a San Diego tv channel, the department of homeland security is now planning to charge us for crossing the border into
the U.S. If they do, first time they want to look inside my car, I'm going to tell them Sure, that will be ten bucks.
 
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The Canadians are saying they will reciprocate by charging US citizens the same fee to enter Canada. Can Mexico be far behind?
Bob Durrell
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sancho
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Seems the way to pay for the crossing back would
be a real cluster, I suppose go online pay by credit
card, seems a reach, they can't even get more than
70% of crossers to
have proper documents, Passport/Passcard
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
Seems the way to pay for the crossing back would
be a real cluster, I suppose go online pay by credit
card, seems a reach, they can't even get more than
70% of crossers to
have proper documents, Passport/Passcard |
Just a few more toll booths.
Didn't we just have a discussion about this?
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chuckie
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Dont go back...works for me..
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MrBillM
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Tell it to THE MAN ?
"According to Yesterday's news on a San Diego tv channel, the department of homeland security is now planning to charge us for crossing the border
into the U.S. If they do, first time they want to look inside my car, I'm going to tell them Sure, that will be ten bucks".
In the 50 years that I've been crossing the border on my own, I have TOLD the (now) ICE agents a wide variety of
things, some of which I found quite witty.
But, they didn't.
What I DID find out from ALL of those encounters was that THEY always had the LAST word.
Sometimes having that last word involved me spending a number of hours in their company.
Although it took me a number of years longer than it should, nowadays it's ALL "Yes, SIR".
But, more power (and luck) to those who want to headbutt that wall.
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And of course we have the LARGER government employee base with a LARGE $$$$ retirement program that votes YES..
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Bajafun777
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Never going to happen, so "Don't Worry Be Happy!!" Take Care & Travel Safe---" No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777
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Alan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaRat
I'd rather get rid of all the border patrol stops in state and cut back federal spending. |
With that thinking did you also remove all of the locks from the doors to your house to
save on keys?
In Memory of E-57
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| Quote: | Originally posted by msawin
And of course we have the LARGER government employee base with a LARGE $$$$ retirement program that votes YES.. |
And we all know that larger government employee base is far more powerful than any lobby in Washington
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fee for crossing
Fine with me, but wasn't paying for Sentri paying a fee for faster crosssing?
As long as they have an electronic card like some toll road booths use where you prepay and get in a faster lane. Could leave some lanes for people
who do not want to pay for better service.
People who attempt to cross without a prepaid would need to have way to quickly pay.
Quicker crossings are worth a lot of money to many people.
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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MrBillM
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Finding the Way to Pay for Play
In theory a good idea, BUT:
In all likelihood, the study will determine that the difficulties of implementing the system will preclude its adoption. Especially, given the
ponderous nature of the Federal Bureaucracy.
There ARE ways that it "could" work, including (initially) providing incentive to pay by making one (or more) pay lines more convenient than others.
For that matter, yearly charges associated with Sentri and the Ready lanes could be adopted. Those of us already paying for the
Sentri usage would, no doubt, pay more. Albeit, with some grumbling.
ANY shift to User Fees is a desirable goal where it can be practically implemented and provide an economic advantage.
[Edited on 4-29-2013 by MrBillM]
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