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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Last bill 173 kWh, COSTO de PRODUCCION 768 pesos.
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You must feel good. My last bill was for 706 kWh with Costo de production at $2,294.66 and total bill of $2,576.70
Bob Durrell
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Hook
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It really is amazing how expensive elec is in Mexico. I dont know how the average Mexican pays it. Any change that increases the cost cant be good for
them.
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gnukid
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Could this dialog be any more idiiotic?
David complains that his bill is 760 odd pesos for two months or about $30/month?
Banking on Solar? Nuclear?
It's been down to 60 almost every night so far this Summer?
The problem presently is lack of logical thinking and common sense among Baja Nomads. Hydrate, eat well and mind your business!
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Big electric bills are the product of using a lot of electricity! Comprende? |
150 KWH per month as a base is NOT A LOT OF ELECTRICITY!!!
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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One thing glares at me, that is the utter, total and complete lack of empathy for MEXICANS on this forum. I was not complaining about my lack of
ability to pay for my 150 kWh basic rate. But it is obvious just how closely some of you are really connected to Mexico or not. Visit despite the
Mexicans.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
One thing glares at me, that is the utter, total and complete lack of empathy for MEXICANS on this forum. I was not complaining about my lack of
ability to pay for my 150 kWh basic rate. But it is obvious just how closely some of you are really connected to Mexico or not. Visit despite the
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I have plenty of empathy for Mexicans on this forum But seriously, it's Mexico.
If they want change then they can do so at the voting booth. And also of note, the government has been subsidizing many goods and services for the
poor. Now it's time to pay the piper.
Lastly, I know plenty of Mexicans that are doing just fine for themselves.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Believe it, if this is approved the PRI future is doomed. But the increase will not go away.
What has the government been "subsidizing"?
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msteve1014
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It sure reads like you are complaining. You said nothing about how you would be ok, but felt bad for your Mexican friends.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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122,000,000 Mexicans. 1 me.
Need I furnish footnotes and caveats?
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Take your Cuenta bimestral. On the left side, find COSTO de GENERACION. Well guess what, if the compys and velociraptors have their way the CFE is
going to make THAT figure your bill. Every last centavo.
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So, two questions.
1. What percent increase does that amount to on your last bill?
2. Where did you hear about this? I just did a google search and did not find anything saying what you're saying. Doesn't mean it's not out there, I
just didn't find it.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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780 pesos versus 163 pesos. Processo newspaper article. Six hundred pesos added for basic service will just destroy many impoverished families. In
tierra caliente my 18CF Samsung refrigerator was consuming an average of 188 kWh - 60 days, even clad in 2" of rigid foam insulation.
If this rate increase passes, Mexico's power price will exceed that of Guatemala, Nicaragua and other countries that do not have the benefit of
in-house crude oil or refineries. Oh wait I forgot about those forty dollar an hour CFE union wages.
There is virtually ZERO subsidizes in Mexico except for 1/3rd. 1/3rd, 1/3rd IMSS funding. The NIDO family supplement is available because Hacienda
does not tax NIDO.
Gasoline? Diesel? You have to be kidding me. The PEMEX SHELL joint venture refinery provides 101% of the "imported" finished fuels, using Mexican
crude. The METRO in DF is subsidized by the state of Mexico. Subsidized transportation? Take a cab ride sometime. One bus, eighty passengers, 1.150
pesos to the border. Oh I think Aguila and ABC are not losing money.
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
780 pesos versus 163 pesos. |
If I did the arithmetic right, that's a 370% increase.
That's not going to happen.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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God I hope not. This will suck the life out of the kids' enramada.
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chuckie
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Hook...my statement is correct....The people that will holler most are those that as we speak are bunkered down in their houses with the A/C going
full blast, watching TV.....I also couldnt find anything on a massive increase in rates in Mexico.....
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Bajaboy
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Feel bad for those San Diegans
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SDG&E RATE INCREASE APPROVED; BILLS TO GO UP 11%
Utilities commission authorizes new revenue
By Morgan Lee12:01 a.m.May 10, 2013Updated8:41 p.m.May 9, 2013
Utility bills will rise in September with approval Thursday of a four-year rate increase totaling more than $500 million for customers of San Diego
Gas & Electric Co.
A typical household will see monthly gas and electric bills rise about 11 percent to $132.02, up from $118.52, according to the California Public
Utilities Commission.
The company was granted a 7.6 percent revenue increase starting in 2012. The hike will be collected retroactively, so many bills will rise by more
than that percentage to catch up.
By a 5-0 vote, the utilities commission authorized an initial annual revenue increase for the utility company of $123 million, for a new total of
$1.73 billion, for 2012. Subsequent annual increases of nearly 3 percent will be tied to the urban Consumer Price Index.
SDG&E had asked for an additional $116 million increase in the first year, so the company did not get the full amount it was seeking.
The rate increase will vary for gas and electric portions of the bill.
On the electric side, a typical customer will experience an increase of $9.95 per month, or 12.2 percent, according to the utilities commission. The
natural gas portion of a typical bill will rise $3.55, or 9.6 percent. The estimates are for customers consuming 500 kilowatt hours and 33 therms of
gas a month.
“Rates currently in effect, before this decision, were in fact lower than they otherwise would have been,” said Commissioner Mark Ferron, the one
commissioner to oversee nearly three years of hearings and deliberations on the rate increase. “As new rates catch up to the higher revenue
requirement, this magnifies the one-time impact.”
SDG&E, which serves 1.4 million electric and 845,000 gas customers in San Diego and southern Orange counties, argued its costs are being driven up
by safety and reliability needs, new electric grid technologies, expanded environmental regulations and higher insurance costs for wildfire liability
and employee health care.
As the utilities commission met Thursday in San Francisco, the only public comment came from an AARP representative who said the size of the increase
was unwarranted, though consumer advocacy groups have spent years contesting SDG&E requests.
“We tried to ensure that every part of this increase creates genuine value for customers,” Ferron said. “And I sincerely hope that in the future we
work to ensure each rate case is decided before the start of the effective period, thereby reducing the sticker shock of this catch-up effect.”
After the meeting, San Diego County Supervisor Dianne Jacob put out a statement saying she was “disappointed that state regulators put the needs of
the utility above the consumer.”
Consumer advocates who argued that customers cannot keep up with the rate of increases in utility spending won a concession in the way annual
increases will be calculated in 2013-2015.
Those increases will now be tied to the federal government index for consumer inflation in urban areas, known as the CPI-U — plus an additional 0.75
percent. Previous decisions linked increases to a more aggressive index tailored to the utility industry.
“This is an important philosophical shift for the commission,” Ferron said. “It puts the focus of the rate case squarely on the impact to consumers
from any potential future rate increases and creates a strong incentive for the utilities to manage costs through improvements in efficiency and
productivity.”
Commission President Michael Peevey, though he voted for the decision, expressed concern about the impact of using the urban Consumer Price Index as
utilities contend with already negotiated wage increases and surging medical costs.
“This is a new approach. I can understand the reasons for it from a consumer point of view,” said Peevey, a former president of California utility
operator Edison International. “I think that one should think carefully, though, before we embrace CPI in every instance.”
Commissioner Mike Florio praised allocations to wildfire safety in the San Diego area, which include tree trimming, brush removal, undergrounding of
electric overhead facilities, and replacing wooden poles with metal poles. Wildfires triggered largely by utility lines in October 2007 destroyed more
than 1,300 homes in San Diego County and killed two.
Florio raised concerns, however, about investor-owned utilities consistently earning above the authorized rate of return on their investment.
“That’s probably in part good management,” said Florio, who directed a utility consumer protection group before joining the utilities commission in
2011. “But it’s also, I think, reflective that we’ve consistently given them more money than they really need. So I will be watching closely to see if
the company actually spends the money that we’re giving them.”
The commission said the rate increase would ensure sufficient funding for new federal pipeline inspection and maintenance requirements, along with
state and federal environmental regulations.
It provides new incentives and penalties for meeting reliability targets on the frequency and duration of power outages.
It also authorizes $26 million for research and development of energy storage technology. Those technologies are seen as important to California’s
push to integrate more electricity from variable sources such as wind and solar.
Under California’s tiered electrical rate system for residential customers, bill increases will be felt most acutely by customers who consume more
than 437-kilowatt hours but don’t qualify for alternate rates based on low family income.
Rate increases are limited each year for customers who consume less than that threshold under laws enacted in the aftermath of California’s 2000-2001
crisis from power market manipulation.
The rate decision covers nearly every aspect of utility operations and maintenance of distribution infrastructure. Commodity costs for electricity and
gas are passed through directly to customers, and transmission rates for moving electricity over long distances are regulated by federal authorities.
© Copyright 2013 The San Diego Union-Tribune, LLC. An MLIM LLC Company. All rights reserved.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/may/10/tp-sdge-rate-incr...
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David K
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America sits on a lake of energy... and that we don't use it and cut energy costs and foreign dependence is alarming and stupid. This gang in charge
even gives our tax dollars to other countries to drill for oil on their land. Huh?
Drilling for oil is okay somewhere else. but not where it benefits us? Huh?
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chuckie
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BUT Where is there anything pointing to a massive rate increase in electric rates in Mexico?
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David K
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Have the rates been subsidized by government (ie taxpayer's money) and it is time for the users to fairly pay for what they get? Just asking...
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chuckie
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So? This is a hypothetical? Based on nothing? We are long overdue for a cure for the common cold as well....
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durrelllrobert
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Hypothetical?
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So? This is a hypothetical? Based on nothing? We are long overdue for a cure for the common cold as well.... |
As I posted above (and I wasn't complaining) The DAC rateis already using the Costo de production as the basis. On my last bill the costo de
production shown on the left side was $2,294.66.
On the right side the Estado de cuenta shows:
Energia 2,294.66
IVA 11% 252.41
Fac. del period 2,547.07
IAP 28.49
Adeudo Anterior 3,310.14
Su Pago - 3,310.00
Total $2,575.70
Bob Durrell
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