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Osprey
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Every state, area, zone, city, village is different.
Bob pays $100 bucks a month for 706 Kwh in Punta Banda
Jorge pays $73 bucks a month for the same two months for 861 Kwh in East Cape.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Oh Chuckie Have I Got NEWS For You
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Hook...my statement is correct....The people that will holler most are those that as we speak are bunkered down in their houses with the A/C going
full blast, watching TV.....I also couldnt find anything on a massive increase in rates in Mexico..... |
I'm hollering really really REALLY loud. I've not SEEN an air conditioner in three years. At the moment I am wearing a Carhartt insulated vest.
I just love some of these asssssssssssssumptions. They're fun to read.
Here, hold onto my hand and I'll lead the way...
http://www.milenio.com/cdb/doc/noticias2011/577409eff8ed0e4164086d202b09dfe6
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chuckie
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David E? Your ego is too big...Everything is not always about you...My statement is true....If you dont have an A/C..Thats your choice....But NOT
important to the discussion on utility rates....
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BajaNomad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie on June 8
The people that will holler most are those that as we speak are bunkered down in their houses with the A/C going full blast... |
| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie on June 9
If you dont have an A/C..Thats your choice....But NOT important to the discussion on utility rates.... |
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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My ego is tiny señor chuckie.
I have too many impoverished friends, and something like this gets to me. Many of them are scraping by as it is. How do you get your kids to
secondaria 5-miles away. By car of course. Pay a utility bill with the nearest ventanilla 5 or 10 miles away? Gasoline is three fifty a gallon and the
type of automobile or camioneta owned by impoverished people are worn out clunkers that get horrid gas mileage. Ever check the efficiciency of a 2nd
or 3rd hand Mabe made-in-Mexico refrigerator? They run 24/7.
I think I'm wasting my breath.
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chuckie
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No, you are not..the plight of these folks is something we all should be concerned about....Here in Mulege, things seem to be getting worse,due to the
effect of the floods, and the reduced flow of tourists...I have lived here on and off for over 30 years, and this year is the first year I have had
Mexican friends asking to borrow money to get by...I accomodate them when I can, and so far have ALWAYS been paid back....Our personal usages wont
have much effects on rates or policies...I have A/C but so far have had no use for it....Not so for many of the folks down on the ditch....I guess if
you get used to harvesting wheat in NW Kansas in 100+ temps and 90+ humidities.....this aint bad...FYI: Altho its not germain to the subject, my
Electric bill at the ranch was seldom less than 500 bucks/month..here 30-40 bucks..
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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You have a rancho in Mulege? Ranches require lots of power.
Eight hundred peso CFE bills bi-mestral?
I dare ANYONE on this forum to TRY and live on 75 kWh per month.
100 watts 24/7 = 16.8 kWh weekly
x 8 weeks (60 days) = 134.4 kWh
Most fans, draw 30 - 80 watts
When the government owns the oil and charges CFE a lot* for it, it is NOT a subsidy. When the government TAXES electricity 11% in Baja California and
16% on the mainland, it is NOT a subsidy. CFE is an enormous 101% profit oriented entity. Empleados de CFE get their basic and intermediate bill paid
for 100%.
*same price for diesel, or #6 fuel oil as you or I pay for it, and Hacienda charges CFE 11% or 16% IVA on the sale of oil from Petroleos Mexicanos and
Comision Federal de Electricidad.
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chuckie
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READ SLOWER My ranch was in NW Kansas..I grew wheat, people eat wheat. Bread is made out of wheat....Iam wasting MY breath..yours is a social
vendetta...
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DENNIS
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Boys...Boys.....Let's have a Pacifico. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Boys...Boys.....Let's have a Pacifico. |
then how are you gonna know who won?
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Mine is a FACTS vendetta. How can a wheat ranch be compared to a retirement home as far as total electrical usage? The issue is the feasibility of
"living" (versus existence) on 75kWh per month, and whether thirty dollars a month is fair to the poor. Nothing more, nothing less.
Out "here" on the peninsula, water is scarce. Two pumping stations plus the SAPA local plant. Seventy four miles of pipeline. Wanna know why the
system has no pressure so often? It's to SAVE on the electricity. Yet I am being charged 72 pesos per month. My friends and neighbors do not gripe,
nor do I. Even when I open the tap and get an enormous blast of water and air that drowns the counter, the floor and me. I yell "¡Servicio Aire
Poquito Agua!" but that's the breaks.
The days of SUBSIDY are OVER. When things were subsidized like the tranbordador, Pemex was forced to cut them an enormous break on the price of
diesel. Now the ferries pay the same price as you and I at the diesel pump. This is why shipping an RV rig to the mainland can cost a thousand dollars
or more. Jet fuel is another matter entirely. The public does not purchase JP-5.
Subsidized bread at two dollars and change a loaf. How about milk at four dollars plus a gallon? The only thing SUBSIDIZED in Mexico are the hogs at
the trough in México. D.F.
[Edited on 6-9-2013 by DavidE]
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chippy
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I don´t thint de can afford a Pacifico
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Sure they can! At seventy some odd pesos a six pack what's half a day's worth of labor between friends?
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chuckie
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I'm out....Dementia has taken over.....Whatever David E is trying to prove, is OK with me.....Smoke on
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Udo
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I wonder what 500 KVH will cost in BA???
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Every state, area, zone, city, village is different.
Bob pays $100 bucks a month for 706 Kwh in Punta Banda
Jorge pays $73 bucks a month for the same two months for 861 Kwh in East Cape. |
Udo
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Udo
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PS...
After looking at the CFE rates from earlier this year...
The BA house with a renter in it, in January & March 2013 used 134KVH and 156 KVH.
I think iflyfish (Rick) was pretty conservative as a renter for those 4 winter months.
I hope we are that conservative once WE move down!
Udo
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Chuckie, los siento mucho but I am drug-free for my entire life. I saw others wash out of college and at Stanford, one does not wander into the rose
garden without getting punctured. Pretty dismal trying to assassinate a character by using the "Drug" metaphor.
BA has the highest (most expensive) tarifa because it is classified as not being in "Tierra Caliente".
Using what little suggestion of kWh rates were estimated, looks like 500 kWh is going to be worth in excess of three thousand pesos. Anyone here have
a recent CFE bill listing a COSTO de PRODUCCION with 500 kWh. That figure will be the one to gauge bills by.
Again, this is a proposal. It is currently not a scheduled increase. You'll know when it becomes reality when you hear of a million-strong protest is
Mexico City. I still find it difficult to believe the PRI could be that stupid. But then, they are of the same mold as USA politicians, failed
lawyers.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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our last bill here at home..2 fridges, computer, light, power tools(lots last month) used 529 kWh and was total 1,773.79 with 856.10 subtracted for
the subsidy leaving us with 1,019.11 which is about $80 US dollars...for 2 months so around $40 a month...waaaaay less than mot guys spend on beer on
a weekend...just to put it in prospective..
and that is because we had so many power tools running...we usually pay between 600-800 pesos for 2 months.
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Osprey
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David E, you might have done your Mexican friends a disservice here because I let many poor Mexicans in my village know that my astute Nomad friends
say they may have to soon pay more than double what they are used to paying to CFE. Are you a proud messenger? How well informed are you about this
particular issue and why did you risk causing even more fear or discontent for your Mexican neighbors?
Wanna take it back? Wanna hide behind "It has Been Rumored"?
[Edited on 6-10-2013 by Osprey]
[Edited on 6-10-2013 by Osprey]
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shari
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truly this is a huge issue that is getting alot of press....and will be disastrous if it actually happens.
It wasnt very long ago in our village that cash wasnt the currency...most everything was paid for by the fishing cooperatives...medical,power, water,
food, beer...the necessities. Many many people still dont carry cash and sign the book at the store counter....
soooooo...the culture is not used to having to budget, getting bills and having to have actual money to cover them...or the services get cut off.
Every two month around power bill paying time people are scrambling to sell stuff to pay their bill...it's very sad but I understand why it is
happening. There simply isnt enough money to cover all the "needs" which have become greater now...cell phones, phone bills (which they never had
before), CFE and Sappa...power and water...which are also relatively new to the village.
Having to pay bills is an enormous transition...a new thing to learn and the folks are still adjusting to that and trying to figure it all out....so
yes, In my opinion, this CFE issue is a critical economic problem at the moment that is looming over everyone's heads...but as David mentioned all of
a sudden...everything goes up...except the fisherman's wages...so how does a family deal with all of the sudden increases in the cost of living? It's
not like they can cut out those dinners at fancy restuarants...or nights on the town...theatre tickets.
Most folks live on the edge and have no savings which could be simply bad financial planning or budgeting.
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