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dpwahoo
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vandy
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Can you imagine how many Pemex stations would close if they had honest pumps?
Quite a scam.
All those new stations aren't being built for your convenience.
And YES, I carry marked containers for fuel since getting burned badly in Loreto, where they managed to cram 80 liters in my 17-gallon tank. It
wasn't even empty...
I usually accept 10% overcharge as the cost of doing business.
BTW, I tried the "slow pumping" routine a couple of times, but it didn't seem to make a difference.
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David K
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Wonder if the Pemex you used also waters the gasoline? Do try Baja Cactus (El Rosario) during your drive... I always get more MPGs out of Pemex than
California gas. I attribute it to being real gas and not diluted with ethanol.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I wonder "what would of happened" had you ordered sixty LITERS?
| Quote: | Originally posted by vandy
Can you imagine how many Pemex stations would close if they had honest pumps?
Quite a scam.
All those new stations aren't being built for your convenience.
And YES, I carry marked containers for fuel since getting burned badly in Loreto, where they managed to cram 80 liters in my 17-gallon tank. It
wasn't even empty...
I usually accept 10% overcharge as the cost of doing business.
BTW, I tried the "slow pumping" routine a couple of times, but it didn't seem to make a difference. |
I read arguments here against this but in two years not one factual comparison between ordering "lleno" or tantito pesos. If I pass that gasolinera in
Loreto I'll order 20-litros then shake my head. I WILL drive away veinte litros en mi tanque.
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El Jefe
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It would say on the pump that you got 60 litros, but you would have around 54 at best in your tank.
No b-tchin\' in the Baja.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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ONLY if you order in dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus, what does it take to get this point across?
DOLLARS and PESOS are NOT LINKED so that both agree WHEN pesos are punched into the keypad rather than liters. TWO COMPUTATIONS, two databases, one
for Dollars WHICH IS PUNCHED IN WHEN YOU SAY "FILLER-UP" rather than liters. The tattletale between the two? Piece of cake...if the attendant is hand
squeezing a liter order he IS SCREWING YOU. A liter order races to the exact centavo and stops at blurring speed. Really savvy attendants like at all
SERVICIO SAHISA stations memorize 10, 15, 20, and 30 liter PESO amounts and then enter the exact equivalent of liters using PESOS. Got it?
Screw them up, order 78 liters or 22 liters, something they cannot memorize.
If they stand there with their calculator, I haul AsS. It's a setup.
PEMEX is spending TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS replacing the "new" pumps with ones that do NOT have a data port access to the computer, only a keypad
access that LINKS pesos to liters. So the gasolinera can ONLY change the price of fuel. So if I pull in a see an LED readout of say 67 pesos a liter
it's sorta a clue that a screwing is in the works.
Yeah, the verification of what I say here comes direct from Petroleos Mexicanos.
Some stations, and SELECTED PUMPS of crooked stations are rigged to cheat on PESOS entered transactions.
And no, existing pumps cannot rig the liters dispensed when ordered by the liter. PROFECO tests pumps by liter orders. Too many found-rigged pumps and
the concessionaire loses his FRANQUICIA.
For fun I ordered up 20 liters at the SAHISA station. When the attendant stood there hand squeezing 20-liters I roared out of the car and screamed at
him "Do you think I'm stupid or what?" He turned beet red. "Unless you admit you are cheating I am filling out three complaints, one to PROFECTO, the
second to la producaraduria del estado, and the third to Petroleos Mexicanos! Andele! Dijame!"
"Sorry señor, I was cheating" Please do not complain".
VERBATIM
If you insist on getting screwed do it on your own time and peso but please do not keep insisting this is not happening.
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El Jefe
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OK, I think maybe I am beginning to understand what you are saying David. If I order in pesos the attendant will enter a number in pesos into the
computer on the pump and the pump will shut off at that peso level. If I order in liters, instead of hand squeezing up to the amount I ordered, he
can/should enter the amount in liters into the computer and the pump will stop at that many liters. And I will actually get that many liters?
No b-tchin\' in the Baja.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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The crooks quickly discovered the flaw in the "new digital pumps". A guy comes around with a laptop programmed to fit the data port on the pump. The
laptop "speaks" to the dispenser computer and skews the denominator. The dispenser works on a separate principle when cash is selected. "If this much
money is entered (and limited by the clickoff), then that much money MUST be the correct amount. BAD BAD vulnerable design. People in Mexico City got
fired over approving the vulnerable dispensers.
Have not seen the newest taper proof pump. The software detects the presence of an intruder and trips an alarm. The circuit goes dead forever until it
is returned to the factory, with flares, flags, blaring horns and skyrockets announcing someone tried to access the RAM without entering multiple
codes. The serial number on the pump announces which "clave" is applicable to that particular dispenser. Hope this slows them down. Some rich bastard
screwing some farmer that can barely feed his family. It is not the company it is the Franquicia. I'll say this again, Señor SANCHEZ "SAHISA" is a
crook, Ensenada area station owner. I accused him to his face in 1994 in front of Carlos the owner of the Hotel Bahia in Restaurant Tortuga. Wanna get
screwed go to the gasolinera on the Intersection of Delante and the transpenisular carratera and say "Lleno Por Favor" Sanchez owns more than six
stations.
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willardguy
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and just when you think the big Easy can't outdo himself!
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bajadogs
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Wonder if the Pemex you used also waters the gasoline? Do try Baja Cactus (El Rosario) during your drive... I always get more MPGs out of Pemex than
California gas. I attribute it to being real gas and not diluted with ethanol. |
I always get better milage on both my moto and my truck when in Baja. BUT It's not because of the gas. It's because I'm not driving/riding stop-and-go
traffic like we get in So Cal. I can PROVE THIS by heading into Baja with a full tank of California gas and get nearly 300 miles on my moto. The same
tank of the same So Cal gas will only get 220 - 230 at best in San Diego. You live by the Oceanside Mission David. How many signal lights, stop signs
do you hit before you get on a gridlocked freeway? How often do you cruise at a comfortable speed without hitting the brakes for a hundred miles or
so? Can you remember the last time you used cruise control in SD? Impossible if you are in the heart of Oceanside surrounded by 65 mph highways with
signal lights. That's the kind of stop-and-go driving that sucks gas.
I have also topped off in Mexico with Pemex and it does not get me any farther in San Diego traffic, because of the type of driving. Palomar AP Road
you know.  It ain't the gas.
($3.85 in Carlsbad today btw)
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajadogs
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Wonder if the Pemex you used also waters the gasoline? Do try Baja Cactus (El Rosario) during your drive... I always get more MPGs out of Pemex than
California gas. I attribute it to being real gas and not diluted with ethanol. |
I always get better milage on both my moto and my truck when in Baja. BUT It's not because of the gas. It's because I'm not driving/riding stop-and-go
traffic like we get in So Cal. I can PROVE THIS by heading into Baja with a full tank of California gas and get nearly 300 miles on my moto. The same
tank of the same So Cal gas will only get 220 - 230 at best in San Diego. You live by the Oceanside Mission David. How many signal lights, stop signs
do you hit before you get on a gridlocked freeway? How often do you cruise at a comfortable speed without hitting the brakes for a hundred miles or
so? Can you remember the last time you used cruise control in SD? Impossible if you are in the heart of Oceanside surrounded by 65 mph highways with
signal lights. That's the kind of stop-and-go driving that sucks gas.
I have also topped off in Mexico with Pemex and it does not get me any farther in San Diego traffic, because of the type of driving. Palomar AP Road
you know. It ain't the gas.
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Oh I know the difference between city and highway driving. I gauge my MPG at every fill up. Around town is about 15 mpg (stop n go). Highway only is
18 mpg. With Pemex, fully loaded truck, driving fast when I can, Ensenada city traffic, and then waiting at the border, I got over 19 mpg! Have you
heard of Fuelly.com? Join it and make graphs of your mileage.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
The crooks quickly discovered the flaw in the "new digital pumps". A guy comes around with a laptop programmed to fit the data port on the pump. The
laptop "speaks" to the dispenser computer and skews the denominator. The dispenser works on a separate principle when cash is selected. "If this much
money is entered (and limited by the clickoff), then that much money MUST be the correct amount. BAD BAD vulnerable design. People in Mexico City got
fired over approving the vulnerable dispensers.
Have not seen the newest taper proof pump. The software detects the presence of an intruder and trips an alarm. The circuit goes dead forever until it
is returned to the factory, with flares, flags, blaring horns and skyrockets announcing someone tried to access the RAM without entering multiple
codes. The serial number on the pump announces which "clave" is applicable to that particular dispenser. Hope this slows them down. Some rich bastard
screwing some farmer that can barely feed his family. It is not the company it is the Franquicia. I'll say this again, Señor SANCHEZ "SAHISA" is a
crook, Ensenada area station owner. I accused him to his face in 1994 in front of Carlos the owner of the Hotel Bahia in Restaurant Tortuga. Wanna get
screwed go to the gasolinera on the Intersection of Delante and the transpenisular carratera and say "Lleno Por Favor" Sanchez owns more than six
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where are the other 5?
Bruce R Leech
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Another is on the truck route into town (Ensenada), drop down the hill, and on the far left corner as you zig one block over to the right. Ask the
attendant: "Es gasolinera de SAHISA" If the answer is "Si" then you will know.
One of the worst offenders was the middle-of-nowhere gasolinera south of the entronque to Bahia de Los Angeles. The one with the above ground tanker
and gravity feed despensers. Sanchez fumed that he had to close it because the employees were ripping him off. I used to sit at the table next to the
round table at restaurant tortugas and listen to the SOB brag to the morning coffee clique just how much money he was making and who he had screwed
worst the day before. Carlos, the owner of the Bahia Hotel, handed him a copy of the Wall Street Journal, and the results of a gasoline verification
study and Sanchez' face turned so purple I thought he was going to have a stroke. The others people (I think there were seven total) laughed so hard,
tears flowed, and they were pounding the table. I got mad as hell at Carlos about that. This happened 20-years ago. I got fed up with rich screwing
the poor. Yeah, and this story is not BS nor is it embellished. I let my temper get the best of me.
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Pescador
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I did not check gas prices, but today in Santa Rosalia, the Diesel prices are 11.56 per litre, not 11.83. So unless this is a north border price,
there must be an error someplace.
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PCbaja
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Paid 12.00 for Verde this afternoon inTJ.
Don\'t be afraid your life will end; be afraid it will never begin.\" – Grace Hansen
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Pemex has been hinting at allowing different stations (areas) a little latitude in setting pump prices. This bears watching. I'm headed north next
week for a few days and will observe a few dispenser prices. Close to the border prices have been higher for several years.
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Pescador
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Yes, that was approved so that they were not bought out by Norteamericanos crossing over and buying up large quantities of gas. But I checked all the
prices south and still come up with 11.56 per litre for diesel.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I believe Pemex allows for a precio maximo so Pemex claimed. This absolutely means the prices announced by the company many NOT be the price as used
by the gasolineras. Means the return to actually checking prices at the pump and not relying on Pemex announcements. Weird. I'm going to ignore future
announcements. Thanks.
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