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[*] posted on 6-10-2013 at 09:23 AM


I am not running around like chicken little if that is your implication. But I did talk to the kids, and told Jesús he had better clad the freezers in the enramada with 2" of foam which he knows where to purchase in Lazaro Card##as. Over the last six-months I have been asking fellow Nomads to bring down CFL's which I have been passing out to the poverty stricken. I am only one person peeing in the ocean trying to raise the sea leavel but I try and do what I can.

I live a live of frugality and enjoy it, but is it fair to force a life of beans, tortillas, salt, chili, and musica on the Mexicans? So a very few fat cats in Mexico City can buy yet another Casa Chica and finally afford the BMW of their dreams?

CFE wages have not gone up. How do you revalue something already paid for (diesel and #6 fuel oil). CFE is GOBERNACION, the same as PEMEX. Mexico produces ALL the copper wire, all the transformer windings, the concrete for the poles, the steel, the manufacturing. This sort of reminds me why a loaf of bread in Florida can cost twenty dollars just before a hurricane hits.

My fellow voters can scream and threaten the local sucursal de PRI with dire promises of retaliation if this bill passes. What is better, leave them in the dark until the factura arrives?

The looting of America by the financial and speculative sector is one thing, but Americans will not be endangered, there are too many safety nets. Every day Mexicans die because they face a choice of medicine or food. It ain't funny amigo.




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[*] posted on 6-10-2013 at 10:09 AM


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..... if this bill passes.


What bill? Please provide a link.




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[*] posted on 6-10-2013 at 10:37 AM


This proposal is a BILL in the camara de senadores

http://www.milenio.com/cdb/doc/noticias2011/577409eff8ed0e41...




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[*] posted on 6-10-2013 at 10:56 AM


From the above link:

“Ajustar gradualmente las tarifas de uso doméstico de electricidad y agua a los precios reales de mercado, con la aplicación de medidas compensatorias para grupos vulnerables”.

Google translation:

"Gradually adjust household tariffs for electricity and water to the actual market prices, with the compensatory measures for vulnerable groups. "




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[*] posted on 6-10-2013 at 11:16 AM


The "compensatory adjustments for vulnerable groups"
DOES NOT MEAN

"NO INCREASE FOR VULNERABLE GROUPS!"

It just means they will not being charged at full "COSTO de PRODUCCION" tarifas.

And 150kWh will remain the cutoff point.

You want an everyday example of inflated prices? Look at Bimbo with USA prices, and of course lots of workers paid USA wages. Sections of cuotas that charge A DAY'S WAGES to use. How would you like it if you had to pay two hundred dollars to travel between San Diego and Santa Ana? Each way?




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[*] posted on 6-10-2013 at 11:54 AM
Google transation of link


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This proposal is a BILL in the camara de senadores

http://www.milenio.com/cdb/doc/noticias2011/577409eff8ed0e41...


Mexico City • The federal government intends to eliminate subsidies to electricity and water to "encourage an increase in the efficiency of both energy consumption and water" as one of the economic measures "with climate approach".

According to the National Climate Change Strategy which was presented yesterday by President Enrique Pena Nieto, the federal government requires financial resources to support actions in favor of the environment and also need to "send economic signals that reflect the cost of environmental damage ".

Therefore, as part of 18 lines of action to develop fiscal policies on environmental issues, develop two ideas to eliminate subsidies and implement the real prices of inputs.

Distributed on three points, the federal government states that energy is required to determine rates under a life cycle analysis that considers the cost of greenhouse gas emissions.

In that sense, we propose to restructure electricity subsidies to encourage fuel efficiency and in that sense raises the following point: "Gradually adjust household tariffs for electricity and water to the actual market prices, with the compensatory measures for vulnerable groups. "

Also, according to the diagnosis was made on the status of the country against natural disasters, it was estimated that 27 million Mexicans who live thousand 385 municipalities are at risk of disaster.

The risks are related to climate variations, ranging from natural disasters such as floods and landslides, to heat waves, reduced precipitation yields and disease transmission.

The diagnosis was made by the Mexican Network of climate modeling, integrated by the Center for Atmospheric Sciences, the National Weather Service, among others, coordinated by the National Institute of Ecology.

According to the study, a thousand 202 municipalities are exposed to agricultural drought thousand 20 to heat waves, although a greater number of locations, the exposed population adds 97 million people. As long as only 824 municipalities that are exposed to flooding affectation come to 61 million people.

This is in the body of the document that forms the National Climate Change Strategy which was introduced by the federal president Enrique Peña.

Articulated in eight MLAs, were outlined policies that aim to lessen the negative effects of climate change as they lose up to 7 percentage points of GDP for environmental damage and hardly generate 0.6 percent of GDP with green technologies.

BLAME IT ON GLOBAL WARMING :fire::fire::fire:




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[*] posted on 6-10-2013 at 12:33 PM


Greenhouse strategy = Platinum Parachute

This is like telling a farmer whose milpa has just failed and his family is facing starvation.

"All you have to do is 're boot'...and start using buzzwords and your maize will grow like magic, I promise you..."




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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 10:02 AM


Is there a lower rate for summer?
We just got our first CFE bill (917 pesos for abril 8th to junio 7th) at our new place and it looks like the rate went way down for the 38 dias de Verano.
Does it stay that low?
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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 10:32 AM


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Is there a lower rate for summer?
We just got our first CFE bill (917 pesos for abril 8th to junio 7th) at our new place and it looks like the rate went way down for the 38 dias de Verano.
Does it stay that low?


I thought the periods ran for +- two months, Jan/Feb....Mar/Apr etc.
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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 11:09 AM


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Quote:
Originally posted by Griffin
Is there a lower rate for summer?
We just got our first CFE bill (917 pesos for abril 8th to junio 7th) at our new place and it looks like the rate went way down for the 38 dias de Verano.
Does it stay that low?



I thought the periods ran for +- two months, Jan/Feb....Mar/Apr etc.

My last one was for 12 FEB - 16 ABR so the first period is actually from mid DEC to mid FEB




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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 11:12 AM


Quote:
Originally posted by Griffin
Is there a lower rate for summer?
We just got our first CFE bill (917 pesos for abril 8th to junio 7th) at our new place and it looks like the rate went way down for the 38 dias de Verano.
Does it stay that low?

In Mexicali and other place deemed to be Tierra Caliente they go down for summer months because air condition is necessary (even if you don't have it) :fire:




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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 12:06 PM


Griffin - don't know where you are located, but here where we are in BCS the summer rates are May through October and are less expensive than the other half of the year.

Your billing cycle dates depend on when you started up your service. Our service originally started on the 19 of the month, but the date on which our meter is read has gradually worked back to around the 9th because CFE apparently wanted to get as many people as possible in our area to have their meters read on the same date - fewer trips out here for the meter reader that way.
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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 01:23 PM


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Cargos por energía consumida
Consumo básico $ 0.771 por cada uno de los primeros 75 (setenta y cinco) kilowatts-hora.
Consumo intermedio $ 0.942 por cada uno de los siguientes 65 (sesenta y cinco) kilowatts-hora.
Consumo excedente $ 2.754 por cada kilowatt-hora adicional a los anteriores.


DOMESTICAS DE ALTO CONSUMO (DAC), 2013

Consultar tarifas de:


Esta tarifa se aplicará a todos los servicios que destinen la energía para uso exclusivamente doméstico. Se considera de alto consumo cuando registra un consumo mensual promedio superior al límite de alto consumo definido para tu localidad.

El consumo mensual promedio se determinará con el promedio móvil del consumo registrado por el usuario en los últimos 12 meses.

Cuando el Consumo Mensual Promedio sea inferior al Límite de Alto consumo fijado en la localidad, se aplicará la tarifa doméstica 1, 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 1E y 1F; que corresponda

El límite de alto consumo se define en función de la tarifa doméstica: 1, 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 1E y 1F ; que se aplique en tu localidad.

TARIFA LIMITE
1 250 kWh/mes
1A 300 kWh/mes
1B 400 kWh/mes
1C 850 kWh/mes
1D 1,000 kWh/mes
1E 2,000 kWh/mes
1F 2,500 kWh/mes

REGION BAJA CALIFORNIA

CUOTAS MENSUALES EN VERANO

El período de aplicación de las cuotas de verano comprende los 6 meses más cálidos del año, de acuerdo a las observaciones de las estaciones termómetricas que rijan en cada localidad. Los 6 meses restantes se aplican las cuotas Fuera de Verano

CARGOS POR Dic./2012 Ene. Feb. Mar. Abr. May. Jun. Jul. Ago. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dic.
Cargo fijo ($/mes) 78.81 79.30 79.05 78.80 78.85 78.63 77.95
Cuotas por energía consumida en verano
($/kWh) 3.602 3.617 3.546 3.523 3.556 3.654 3.615

CUOTAS MENSUALES FUERA DE VERANO
CARGOS POR Dic./2012 Ene. Feb. Mar. Abr. May. Jun. Jul. Ago. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dic.
Cargo fijo ($/mes) 78.81 79.30 79.05 78.80 78.85 78.63 77.95
Cuotas por energía consumida en fuera de verano
($/kWh) 3.095 3.108 3.047 3.027 3.055 3.139 3.105

REGION BAJA CALIFORNIA SUR

CUOTAS MENSUALES EN VERANO

El período de aplicación de las cuotas de verano comprende los 6 meses más cálidos del año, de acuerdo a las observaciones de las estaciones termómetricas que rijan en cada localidad. Los 6 meses restantes se aplican las cuotas Fuera de Verano

CARGOS POR Dic./2012 Ene. Feb. Mar. Abr. May. Jun. Jul. Ago. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dic.
Cargo fijo ($/mes) 78.81 79.30 79.05 78.80 78.85 78.63 77.95
Cuotas por energía consumida en verano
($/kWh) 3.926 3.943 3.866 3.840 3.876 3.983 3.940

CUOTAS MENSUALES FUERA DE VERANO
CARGOS POR Dic./2012 Ene. Feb. Mar. Abr. May. Jun. Jul. Ago. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dic.
Cargo fijo ($/mes) 78.81 79.30 79.05 78.80 78.85 78.63 77.95
Cuotas por energía consumida en fuera de verano
($/kWh) 3.095 3.108 3.047 3.027 3.055 3.139 3.105

REGION NOROESTE
CARGOS POR Dic./2012 Ene. Feb. Mar. Abr. May. Jun. Jul. Ago. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dic.
Cargo fijo ($/mes) 78.81 79.30 79.05 78.80 78.85 78.63 77.95
Cuotas por energía consumida en fuera de verano
energía ($/kWh) 3.469 3.484 3.416 3.393 3.425 3.520 3.482

REGION NORTE Y NORESTE

CUOTAS MENSUALES
CARGOS POR Dic./2012 Ene. Feb. Mar. Abr. May. Jun. Jul. Ago. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dic.
Cargo fijo ($/mes) 78.81 79.30 79.05 78.80 78.85 78.63 77.95
Cuotas por energía consumida en fuera de verano
($/kWh) 3.382 3.397 3.331 3.309 3.340 3.432 3.395

REGION SUR Y PENINSULAR

CUOTAS MENSUALES
CARGOS POR Dic./2012 Ene. Feb. Mar. Abr. May. Jun. Jul. Ago. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dic.
Cargo fijo ($/mes) 78.81 79.30 79.05 78.80 78.85 78.63 77.95
Cuotas por energía consumida en fuera de verano
($/kWh) 3.439 3.454 3.387 3.365 3.396 3.490 3.452

REGION CENTRAL

CUOTAS MENSUALES
CARGOS POR Dic./2012 Ene. Feb. Mar. Abr. May. Jun. Jul. Ago. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dic.
Cargo fijo ($/mes) 78.81 79.30 79.05 78.80 78.85 78.63 77.95
Cuotas por energía consumida en fuera de verano
($/kWh) 3.708 3.724 3.651 3.627 3.661 3.762 3.721

- Temporada de verano

El verano es el periodo que comprende los seis meses consecutivos más cálidos del año, los cuales serán fijados por el suministrador de acuerdo con las citadas observaciones termométricas.




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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 01:58 PM


Cool, thanks
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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 02:11 PM


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Our service originally started on the 19 of the month, but the date on which our meter is read has gradually worked back to around the 9th because CFE apparently wanted to get as many people as possible in our area to have their meters read on the same date - fewer trips out here for the meter reader that way.


They, just this minute, drove through and read ours. We'll have our bills by Friday......maybe.
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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 03:02 PM


I have not turned my A/C on until just now...Wimp company coming for lobster pigout tonite..forestall the whining, maybe? I am a big advocate of the COLD Pacifico, move slowly approach....



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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 03:05 PM


Wow - lucky you, Dennis, that's fast! We usually get our bill a week to 10 days after the meter reader has been here.....and they deliver it right to our front gate. Up until a couple of years ago, we had to go and pick up the bill at the CFE office in La Paz. Gotta say we much prefer this new service!
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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 03:11 PM


Chuckie, they should be OK with a fan, right? I do admit however I am writing this while dressed in a sweat shirt and wearing an insulated Carhartt vest.

Learning to read a meter and knowing the average 24 hour kWh consumption rate allows me the luxury of knowing what my bill is going to be within a few pesos.




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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 05:31 PM


Thanks for the detailed CFE bill, DavidE!

Now I'll have some idea what our bill will be in BA on a regular basis.




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[*] posted on 6-18-2013 at 05:34 PM


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Chuckie, they should be OK with a fan, right? I do admit however I am writing this while dressed in a sweat shirt and wearing an insulated Carhartt vest.

Learning to read a meter and knowing the average 24 hour kWh consumption rate allows me the luxury of knowing what my bill is going to be within a few pesos.


sweat shirt and insulated vest? It's 6:33 pm at our place and a nice cozy 76 degrees inside.




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