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Alan
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I think it's really cool to see them searching cars southbound. That really hits the cartels where it hurts. Think how much effort they have
invested at this point. Growing the drugs, harvesting, processing, shipping, smuggling, distributing and finally selling. After all that they lose
their money right when they are expecting to collect. I think it is awesome. I would think seizures alone would cover the costs of the inspectors.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Alan
That really hits the cartels where it hurts. |
I doubt that. A car, loaded with money would be crazy to drive through there. They're only in operation intermittently, and money couriers have
radios too.
CBP makes one lucky bust, then they spend fifty million dollars trying for another.
These efforts aren't going to put a dent in the problem.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Spray the crops with a medicinal castration compound.
"That'll Hit "Em Where It Hurts!"
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
All along I thought POE meant point of entry, as in
entering Mexico |
I'm having trouble sorting out US agents forming a primary inspection area at the entrance to Mexico.....an exit from the US.
I think "Point of Exit" is correct. |
To be in possession of, or transporting stolen, prohibited or otherwise illegal "stuff".....be it in downtown San Diego or at the POE gate into
Mexico, is contra la lay anyway you slice it and that is why we pay these guys.
To ignore the illegal transportation or possession of illegal "stuff" is tantamount to usurping the rule of law, either at the POE or San Ysidro
Blvd...... and is just plain dumb.
Anytime law enforcement can nab a thief, be it a car theft or the theft of a kid......it's all good. More power to them.
Let these men and women do their jobs...it's tough enough having to deal with irate and belligerent gringos whining about "why are you sniffing me"
all day and all night long.....then along comes a know it all who questions their very motives and jurisdiction....to the next guy who threatens to
sue you and end your career.
Is it any surprise that they often times appear "surly"?
After 10 sarcastic remarks about "why are you searching me"....it's no wonder they say "just roll up the window and wait"
The USA and Mexico have a bi-lateral agreement.....we help them with "stuff" that is illegal or prohibited to enter their country and they help the
USA with illegal "stuff" entering the USA.
Your ire would be better placed towards the USA giving free "stuff" to those who choose to enter contra la lay.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
To be in possession of, or transporting stolen, prohibited or otherwise illegal "stuff".....be it in downtown San Diego or at the POE gate into
Mexico, is contra la lay anyway you slice it and that is why we pay these guys.
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So....what are you suggesting? They should open search stations anywhere they like?
What about rights and privacy? Do you think they should walk into your house to look around just because you "may' have something questionable in
there?
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Anytime law enforcement can nab a thief, be it a car theft or the theft of a kid......it's all good. More power to them.
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They're really going to like you. Pretty soon, every time you see a cop, you'll be jumping out of your car, dropping your pants and inviting them to
look up your butt, just because you have nothing to hide.
One, or two things they won't have to bother looking for is balls. You don't seem to have any of those.
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DavidE
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Dios Dennis, Play nice! Don't throw sand into DaliDali's eyes. George Orwell is watching you!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Dios Dennis, Play nice! Don't throw sand into DaliDali's eyes. George Orwell is watching you! |
Well...tell him to give away his rights....not mine.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
To be in possession of, or transporting stolen, prohibited or otherwise illegal "stuff".....be it in downtown San Diego or at the POE gate into
Mexico, is contra la lay anyway you slice it and that is why we pay these guys.
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So....what are you suggesting? They should open search stations anywhere they like?
What about rights and privacy? Do you think they should walk into your house to look around just because you "may' have something questionable in
there?
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Anytime law enforcement can nab a thief, be it a car theft or the theft of a kid......it's all good. More power to them.
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They're really going to like you. Pretty soon, every time you see a cop, you'll be jumping out of your car, dropping your pants and inviting them to
look up your butt, just because you have nothing to hide.
One, or two things they won't have to bother looking for is balls. You don't seem to have any of those. |
Absurd sir.....your on the precipice of falling into "dicksville"
Your wrong.....just plain wrong,.....everyone knows your wrong wrong wrong.
..........................just wrong....................................
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Dennis, You have a way with words my friend. I totally agree with your point, but it's too late to put the genie back in the bottle, in their fervor
to show their patriotism after 911 our lawmakers pretty much gave away our 1st amendment rights anywhere within 100 miles of any coastline or border.
Hopefully, we're not getting too political for the main board here, but I think that it's a topic that most definitely affects Baja travelers.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Well Shucks, this beats the hell out of the Dennis of several months ago. I mean who would like to live in an environment of a "Borg Cube" anyway?
Where's that half naked "Round Girl" anyway? Must be "3" anyway...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Well Shucks, this beats the hell out of the Dennis of several months ago. |
Jeeeezo....I just noticed the date on the screen. I'm two days past my anniversary.....the day I went down. I forgot all about it.
I'm off to Sharky's for a celebration.
SALUD
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BajaBlanca
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When you come into Mexico by bus, they question every one. Do you have cash? How much ? Do you have $10,000 or more ? The first time I was quite
taken aback .... to be checked by border patrol when you are leaving just seems wrong somehow.
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Gypsy Jan
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I am Just Going to Hazard a Guess
I think the dogs are trained to identify and signal the presence of weapons and explosives.
Not that I know anything about anything.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
When you come into Mexico by bus, they question every one. Do you have cash? How much ? Do you have $10,000 or more ? The first time I was quite
taken aback .... to be checked by border patrol when you are leaving just seems wrong somehow. |
How long before this government requires us to get an exit visa like the N-zis or commies do?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
How long before this government requires us to get an exit visa like the N-zis or commies do? |
Careful what you mention. Bob Filner and Jerry Brown might hear you. 
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grace59
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
All along I thought POE meant point of entry, as in
entering Mexico |
I'm having trouble sorting out US agents forming a primary inspection area at the entrance to Mexico.....an exit from the US.
I think "Point of Exit" is correct. |
To be in possession of, or transporting stolen, prohibited or otherwise illegal "stuff".....be it in downtown San Diego or at the POE gate into
Mexico, is contra la lay anyway you slice it and that is why we pay these guys.
To ignore the illegal transportation or possession of illegal "stuff" is tantamount to usurping the rule of law, either at the POE or San Ysidro
Blvd...... and is just plain dumb.
Anytime law enforcement can nab a thief, be it a car theft or the theft of a kid......it's all good. More power to them.
Let these men and women do their jobs...it's tough enough having to deal with irate and belligerent gringos whining about "why are you sniffing me"
all day and all night long.....then along comes a know it all who questions their very motives and jurisdiction....to the next guy who threatens to
sue you and end your career.
Is it any surprise that they often times appear "surly"?
After 10 sarcastic remarks about "why are you searching me"....it's no wonder they say "just roll up the window and wait"
The USA and Mexico have a bi-lateral agreement.....we help them with "stuff" that is illegal or prohibited to enter their country and they help the
USA with illegal "stuff" entering the USA.
Your ire would be better placed towards the USA giving free "stuff" to those who choose to enter contra la lay. |
Geez, DaliDali...applying for a job with the CBP or something?? I was not "whining" about being sniffed. Just curious as to what the hell was going
on?? And as for the agents being "surly"....there's no need for that. If they can't handle the job and be civil then they need to go somewhere else.
I'm sick and tired of pompous agents being rude and b-tchy just because they can. We are always polite when dealing with them and I see no reason why
they can't be the same. They are in a public service job and I am part of that public who pays their salary. As an educator I often have to deal with
surly "not my Johnny" parents, but I MUST remain professional at all times because that goes with the job. While I did not have any "ire" towards the
agents at that time, I am feeling a little bit peey with you right now!!! 
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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vgabndo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
When you come into Mexico by bus, they question every one. Do you have cash? How much ? Do you have $10,000 or more ? The first time I was quite
taken aback .... to be checked by border patrol when you are leaving just seems wrong somehow. |
How long before this government requires us to get an exit visa like the N-zis or commies do? |
OK, I'll bite...
Name a N-zi country which makes it's citizens get an exit visa.
Many of the major countries in the Middle East require exit visas, but they aren't communistic. Russia and China require exit visa, but what is wrong
with communists? If not for them, G W Bush wouldn't have had a place to borrow 13 trillion dollars. And, it is his Patriot Act that is responsible
for illegal search and seizure being legal in this country now. Maybe I just don't understand which flavor of conservative hates 'commies', and
which love them.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grace59
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
All along I thought POE meant point of entry, as in
entering Mexico |
I'm having trouble sorting out US agents forming a primary inspection area at the entrance to Mexico.....an exit from the US.
I think "Point of Exit" is correct. |
To be in possession of, or transporting stolen, prohibited or otherwise illegal "stuff".....be it in downtown San Diego or at the POE gate into
Mexico, is contra la lay anyway you slice it and that is why we pay these guys.
To ignore the illegal transportation or possession of illegal "stuff" is tantamount to usurping the rule of law, either at the POE or San Ysidro
Blvd...... and is just plain dumb.
Anytime law enforcement can nab a thief, be it a car theft or the theft of a kid......it's all good. More power to them.
Let these men and women do their jobs...it's tough enough having to deal with irate and belligerent gringos whining about "why are you sniffing me"
all day and all night long.....then along comes a know it all who questions their very motives and jurisdiction....to the next guy who threatens to
sue you and end your career.
Is it any surprise that they often times appear "surly"?
After 10 sarcastic remarks about "why are you searching me"....it's no wonder they say "just roll up the window and wait"
The USA and Mexico have a bi-lateral agreement.....we help them with "stuff" that is illegal or prohibited to enter their country and they help the
USA with illegal "stuff" entering the USA.
Your ire would be better placed towards the USA giving free "stuff" to those who choose to enter contra la lay. |
Geez, DaliDali...applying for a job with the CBP or something?? I was not "whining" about being sniffed. Just curious as to what the hell was going
on?? And as for the agents being "surly"....there's no need for that. If they can't handle the job and be civil then they need to go somewhere else.
I'm sick and tired of pompous agents being rude and b-tchy just because they can. We are always polite when dealing with them and I see no reason why
they can't be the same. They are in a public service job and I am part of that public who pays their salary. As an educator I often have to deal with
surly "not my Johnny" parents, but I MUST remain professional at all times because that goes with the job. While I did not have any "ire" towards the
agents at that time, I am feeling a little bit peey with you right now!!!
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I do apologize to you about the "whining"....it was not specifically directed at you, but a statement in general.
I will not apologize for their demeanor on the job you have experienced recently.....yet I have met over the years, far more US officers who are
polite and helpful than "surly" ones.
Yes, these same US officers are involved in a public service.....but that public service involves enforcing the various laws enacted by the US
Government. Their primary concern is obviously enforcing the law and NOT your or others sensibilities.
Being such a law enforcement officers does NOT require them to be "surly" yet they must, out of necessity, be direct, bossy and present a
unmistakeable "in charge" attitude.
To not do so when necessary, invites the potential of disobedience to a lawful directive and the resultant probability of violence or assault to that
US officer....when the "offendee" shouts......"I know my rights" and the ensuing problems that brings.
Granted this "necessity" may not apply in your particular situation as it would not in many many cases.
It's a difficult human trait to turn on the "in charge" demeanor and the next instant....turn on the charm
When you say "what the hell is going on", even to yourself, it might be interpreted as your disgust with being "sniffed" or otherwise detained or
slowed in any manner.
I can guarantee if you said that to an officer just trying to do his/her job....your delay in getting on with your business would very well likely
result in further delays.
These US officers have the ABSOLUTE, UNDISPUTED power to search you, your affects and your immediate surroundings, whenever and wherever, in close
proximity to the border.
Do they every time?...no of course they don't. But they can.
No probable cause.....no warrants....no FISA judge, no Sergeant or Captains permission needed.
It's kinda like that movie with Tom Cruise, "A Few Good Men", when he was questioning the Colonel Nathan Jessop, (Jack Nicholson) in charge of base
security at Guantanamo Bay Cuba.
Colonel Jessop told Cruise in no uncertain terms....."YOU WANT ME ON THAT WALL"
We WANT those US officers on that wall we know as the border.
Less "surly" would be good......but it is not those US Officers prime directive to be sweet and kind is it?
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
To be consistent with the thread, your POE has to mean "Point Of Exit." |
All along I thought POE meant point of entry, as in
entering Mexico |
The US facility (northbound in the case of Mexico and southbound in the case of Canada) is the Port of Entry INTO the USA.
The POE acronym for the southbound Mexican facility means "Puerto de Entrada".
Here are all the possible US choices for that acronym (Port of Exit is not one of them):
****** POE Power-Over-Ethernet
***** POE Point of Entry
***** POE Peace On Earth
***** POE Ports of Entry
***** POE Point of Existence (game)
***** POE Portal of Evil (website)
**** POE Place of Employment
**** POE Process of Elimination
**** POE Panel of Experts
**** POE Port Of Embarkation
**** POE Post Occupancy Evaluation (now Facility Performance Evaluation)
**** POE Perl Object Environment
**** POE Problem of Evil (theology)
**** POE Principles of Engineering
**** POE Polyolester (type of oil for A/C)
**** POE Physician Order Entry
**** POE Pipe Organ Encounter
**** POE Provider Outreach and Education Advisory Group (US Medicare)
**** POE Point of Embarkation
**** POE Purity of Essence (Dr. Strangelove)
**** POE Polyolefin Elastomer (polymer)
**** POE Proofs of Entitlement (IBM)
*** POE Piece of Eight (old English currency)
*** POE Parallel Operating Environment (IBM)
*** POE Point of Exposure
*** POE Program Office Estimate
*** POE Projected Operational Environment
*** POE Plan of Exploration
*** POE Probability of Exceedence
*** POE point of ending
*** POE Post Office Express
** POE Predict, Observe and Explain (science education)
** POE Privately Owned Enterprise
** POE Proof of Export
** POE Point of Essence
** POE Priority of Effort
** POE Posture of Engagement
** POE Precise Orbit Ephemerides
** POE Program of Execution
** POE Personally Owned Equipment (various organizations)
** POE protubérance occipitale externe
** POE Pay Option Election
* POE Projected Operating Employment (Navy Association with ROC)
* POE Process Overall Efficiency (engineering)
* POE Professional Office Enterprises
* PoE Proof of Enabler
* POE Proposed/Projected Operational Environment
* POE Propagation of Error (statistical software)
* POE Property of Equality (mathematics)
* POE Public Outreach and Education (various locations)
* POE Projekt Ostry Emade (Polish: Rough Draft Emade)
* POE Proactive Office Encounter
* POE Piece of Eden
* POE Phase of Education
* POE Point of Equilibrium
* POE Planet Ouest Evasion (French club)
* POE Pilot Operational Equipment (US NASA)
* POE Precio de Oportunidad de la Energía (Spanish: Price Energy Opportunity)
* POE Point Operating Equipment (railway engineering)
* POE Portfolio of Evidence
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DENNIS
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I don't see, "Piece Of Excrement" on that list.
Maybe it's on the POS list.
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