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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
I do apologize to you about the "whining"....it was not specifically directed at you, but a statement in general.
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Really?
Forgive me, but I took it personally as you seemed to be responding to me, but...I sometimes jump to conclusions.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Your ire
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chuckie
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And who is George W. Bush..wasnt he in Government a long time ago???
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rhintransit
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they are alive and well and used at both ends of the Santa Rosalia/Guaymas ferry.
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
and who could forget those twenty thousand dollar GT200 detectors?  anyone seen
these gizmo's busted out lately?
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reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I don't see, "Piece Of Excrement" on that list.
Maybe it's on the POS list. |
I suppose that the southbound CBP checkpoint on the US side could be a POD (Point of Departure or Point of Disembarkation)
Bob Durrell
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grace59
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by grace59
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
All along I thought POE meant point of entry, as in
entering Mexico |
I'm having trouble sorting out US agents forming a primary inspection area at the entrance to Mexico.....an exit from the US.
I think "Point of Exit" is correct. |
To be in possession of, or transporting stolen, prohibited or otherwise illegal "stuff".....be it in downtown San Diego or at the POE gate into
Mexico, is contra la lay anyway you slice it and that is why we pay these guys.
To ignore the illegal transportation or possession of illegal "stuff" is tantamount to usurping the rule of law, either at the POE or San Ysidro
Blvd...... and is just plain dumb.
Anytime law enforcement can nab a thief, be it a car theft or the theft of a kid......it's all good. More power to them.
Let these men and women do their jobs...it's tough enough having to deal with irate and belligerent gringos whining about "why are you sniffing me"
all day and all night long.....then along comes a know it all who questions their very motives and jurisdiction....to the next guy who threatens to
sue you and end your career.
Is it any surprise that they often times appear "surly"?
After 10 sarcastic remarks about "why are you searching me"....it's no wonder they say "just roll up the window and wait"
The USA and Mexico have a bi-lateral agreement.....we help them with "stuff" that is illegal or prohibited to enter their country and they help the
USA with illegal "stuff" entering the USA.
Your ire would be better placed towards the USA giving free "stuff" to those who choose to enter contra la lay. |
Geez, DaliDali...applying for a job with the CBP or something?? I was not "whining" about being sniffed. Just curious as to what the hell was going
on?? And as for the agents being "surly"....there's no need for that. If they can't handle the job and be civil then they need to go somewhere else.
I'm sick and tired of pompous agents being rude and b-tchy just because they can. We are always polite when dealing with them and I see no reason why
they can't be the same. They are in a public service job and I am part of that public who pays their salary. As an educator I often have to deal with
surly "not my Johnny" parents, but I MUST remain professional at all times because that goes with the job. While I did not have any "ire" towards the
agents at that time, I am feeling a little bit peey with you right now!!! 
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I do apologize to you about the "whining"....it was not specifically directed at you, but a statement in general.
I will not apologize for their demeanor on the job you have experienced recently.....yet I have met over the years, far more US officers who are
polite and helpful than "surly" ones.
Yes, these same US officers are involved in a public service.....but that public service involves enforcing the various laws enacted by the US
Government. Their primary concern is obviously enforcing the law and NOT your or others sensibilities.
Being such a law enforcement officers does NOT require them to be "surly" yet they must, out of necessity, be direct, bossy and present a
unmistakeable "in charge" attitude.
To not do so when necessary, invites the potential of disobedience to a lawful directive and the resultant probability of violence or assault to that
US officer....when the "offendee" shouts......"I know my rights" and the ensuing problems that brings.
Granted this "necessity" may not apply in your particular situation as it would not in many many cases.
It's a difficult human trait to turn on the "in charge" demeanor and the next instant....turn on the charm
When you say "what the hell is going on", even to yourself, it might be interpreted as your disgust with being "sniffed" or otherwise detained or
slowed in any manner.
I can guarantee if you said that to an officer just trying to do his/her job....your delay in getting on with your business would very well likely
result in further delays.
These US officers have the ABSOLUTE, UNDISPUTED power to search you, your affects and your immediate surroundings, whenever and wherever, in close
proximity to the border.
Do they every time?...no of course they don't. But they can.
No probable cause.....no warrants....no FISA judge, no Sergeant or Captains permission needed.
It's kinda like that movie with Tom Cruise, "A Few Good Men", when he was questioning the Colonel Nathan Jessop, (Jack Nicholson) in charge of base
security at Guantanamo Bay Cuba.
Colonel Jessop told Cruise in no uncertain terms....."YOU WANT ME ON THAT WALL"
We WANT those US officers on that wall we know as the border.
Less "surly" would be good......but it is not those US Officers prime directive to be sweet and kind is it? |
I must respectfully disagree with everything above. I think it is absolutely possible to be seen as authoritative and yet be respectful. I'm not
asking for "sweet and Kind"...only to be treated with respect. There is no reason whatsoever for the surly, rude and disrespectful manner in which I,
and others, have been treated by some CBP Officers. The last time I walked across the "Officer", in whose line I was in, was screaming at the young
man ahead of me who did not seem to understand English. That young man did nothing to warrent that behavior and tried to oblige the office as quickly
as possible. I, being next in line, received the same rudeness just because I happened to be there. I always show respect when crossing, but I think
that the officers would garner more respect from the public by showing respect themselves and not being downright buttcracks. And notice, I said
"some"...I have encountered officers who were respectful and helpful, but I've also encountered many (and growing in numbers) who seem to be full of a
sense of power and treat others with major nastiness....absolutely uncalled for and you can not convince me otherwise!
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
When you come into Mexico by bus, they question every one. Do you have cash? How much ? Do you have $10,000 or more ? The first time I was quite
taken aback .... to be checked by border patrol when you are leaving just seems wrong somehow. |
How long before this government requires us to get an exit visa like the N-zis or commies do? |
And, it is his Patriot Act that is responsible for illegal search and seizure being legal in this country now. |
Please scan, photograph and post here, your latest letters to President Obama strenuously objecting to his CONTINUED and enhanced use of the Patriot
Act.
He was against it before he was for it.
Funny how that is when it's good for campaigning and not for reality, when your actually in charge of protecting all of us.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grace59
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by grace59
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
All along I thought POE meant point of entry, as in
entering Mexico |
I'm having trouble sorting out US agents forming a primary inspection area at the entrance to Mexico.....an exit from the US.
I think "Point of Exit" is correct. |
To be in possession of, or transporting stolen, prohibited or otherwise illegal "stuff".....be it in downtown San Diego or at the POE gate into
Mexico, is contra la lay anyway you slice it and that is why we pay these guys.
To ignore the illegal transportation or possession of illegal "stuff" is tantamount to usurping the rule of law, either at the POE or San Ysidro
Blvd...... and is just plain dumb.
Anytime law enforcement can nab a thief, be it a car theft or the theft of a kid......it's all good. More power to them.
Let these men and women do their jobs...it's tough enough having to deal with irate and belligerent gringos whining about "why are you sniffing me"
all day and all night long.....then along comes a know it all who questions their very motives and jurisdiction....to the next guy who threatens to
sue you and end your career.
Is it any surprise that they often times appear "surly"?
After 10 sarcastic remarks about "why are you searching me"....it's no wonder they say "just roll up the window and wait"
The USA and Mexico have a bi-lateral agreement.....we help them with "stuff" that is illegal or prohibited to enter their country and they help the
USA with illegal "stuff" entering the USA.
Your ire would be better placed towards the USA giving free "stuff" to those who choose to enter contra la lay. |
Geez, DaliDali...applying for a job with the CBP or something?? I was not "whining" about being sniffed. Just curious as to what the hell was going
on?? And as for the agents being "surly"....there's no need for that. If they can't handle the job and be civil then they need to go somewhere else.
I'm sick and tired of pompous agents being rude and b-tchy just because they can. We are always polite when dealing with them and I see no reason why
they can't be the same. They are in a public service job and I am part of that public who pays their salary. As an educator I often have to deal with
surly "not my Johnny" parents, but I MUST remain professional at all times because that goes with the job. While I did not have any "ire" towards the
agents at that time, I am feeling a little bit peey with you right now!!!
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I do apologize to you about the "whining"....it was not specifically directed at you, but a statement in general.
I will not apologize for their demeanor on the job you have experienced recently.....yet I have met over the years, far more US officers who are
polite and helpful than "surly" ones.
Yes, these same US officers are involved in a public service.....but that public service involves enforcing the various laws enacted by the US
Government. Their primary concern is obviously enforcing the law and NOT your or others sensibilities.
Being such a law enforcement officers does NOT require them to be "surly" yet they must, out of necessity, be direct, bossy and present a
unmistakeable "in charge" attitude.
To not do so when necessary, invites the potential of disobedience to a lawful directive and the resultant probability of violence or assault to that
US officer....when the "offendee" shouts......"I know my rights" and the ensuing problems that brings.
Granted this "necessity" may not apply in your particular situation as it would not in many many cases.
It's a difficult human trait to turn on the "in charge" demeanor and the next instant....turn on the charm
When you say "what the hell is going on", even to yourself, it might be interpreted as your disgust with being "sniffed" or otherwise detained or
slowed in any manner.
I can guarantee if you said that to an officer just trying to do his/her job....your delay in getting on with your business would very well likely
result in further delays.
These US officers have the ABSOLUTE, UNDISPUTED power to search you, your affects and your immediate surroundings, whenever and wherever, in close
proximity to the border.
Do they every time?...no of course they don't. But they can.
No probable cause.....no warrants....no FISA judge, no Sergeant or Captains permission needed.
It's kinda like that movie with Tom Cruise, "A Few Good Men", when he was questioning the Colonel Nathan Jessop, (Jack Nicholson) in charge of base
security at Guantanamo Bay Cuba.
Colonel Jessop told Cruise in no uncertain terms....."YOU WANT ME ON THAT WALL"
We WANT those US officers on that wall we know as the border.
Less "surly" would be good......but it is not those US Officers prime directive to be sweet and kind is it? |
I must respectfully disagree with everything above. I think it is absolutely possible to be seen as authoritative and yet be respectful. I'm not
asking for "sweet and Kind"...only to be treated with respect. There is no reason whatsoever for the surly, rude and disrespectful manner in which I,
and others, have been treated by some CBP Officers. The last time I walked across the "Officer", in whose line I was in, was screaming at the young
man ahead of me who did not seem to understand English. That young man did nothing to warrent that behavior and tried to oblige the office as quickly
as possible. I, being next in line, received the same rudeness just because I happened to be there. I always show respect when crossing, but I think
that the officers would garner more respect from the public by showing respect themselves and not being downright buttcracks. And notice, I said
"some"...I have encountered officers who were respectful and helpful, but I've also encountered many (and growing in numbers) who seem to be full of a
sense of power and treat others with major nastiness....absolutely uncalled for and you can not convince me otherwise! |
Your entitled to you opinion but are you REALLY sure you do not agree that you WANT these men and woman on that wall?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Funny how that is when it's good for campaigning and not for reality, when your actually in charge of protecting all of us. |
If he only knew when to quit doing that, he'd have my approval.
I don't need a babysitter.
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
The POE acronym for the southbound Mexican facility means "Puerto de Entrada".
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Nice list Bob, here's another, Edgar Allan POE
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willardguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
they are alive and well and used at both ends of the Santa Rosalia/Guaymas ferry.
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
and who could forget those twenty thousand dollar GT200 detectors? anyone seen
these gizmo's busted out lately?
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27 MILLION DOLLARS!
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I think Bill Murray, with his brilliant "dufussness" would be an excellent Border Patrol/Customs officer.
Don't believe everything you think....
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
OK, I'll bite...
Name a N-zi country which makes it's citizens get an exit visa.
Many of the major countries in the Middle East require exit visas, but they aren't communistic. Russia and China require exit visa, but what is wrong
with communists? If not for them, G W Bush wouldn't have had a place to borrow 13 trillion dollars. And, it is his Patriot Act that is responsible
for illegal search and seizure being legal in this country now. Maybe I just don't understand which flavor of conservative hates 'commies', and
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Now now....don't let rational thought deter this conversation 
[Edited on 6-20-2013 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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